Tom Cruise/Scientology/Katie - Merged

[michelle]

I thought he was probably jumping their sofas :loser:

hehehe, messing up their nice furniture with his dirty shoes, i can see him now...

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

If he's the biological father of the child, he's got just as much right to it as she does in America.

Not really.
In the case of unmarried parents, the mother's legal rights are far greater than the biological father's, as there is no issue has to whether or not she's the mother. Provided that he's challenged by a savy lawyer, Cruise will first have to submit to a paternity test to even present a claim to the courts. If he can't pass it, he's SOL. If he does, he'll still be fighting an uphill battle. Katie Holmes' father is an attorney and I suspect she can afford as good a lawyer as he can. Plus, the Scientologists won't want her airing their dirty laundry in public re her reasons for not allowing him custody, so he'll be told to shut up, sit down, and pay quietly pay child support.

 

[kato]

Good points, Floh. She appeared pregnant way too fast after being with another fiancee for five years. What? She breaks up with her fiancee and then in two months is pregnant with Tom's child? The whole thing was absurd from the beginning unless being "pregnant" was part of the contract with Tommers.

What was she thinking???

Obviously she wasn't thinking.

 

[kato]

Okay, how about this farfetched speculation? What if Tom has doubts that the baby is really his and that's why he won't marry Katie until he is sure? Maybe, he bought this sonogram machine to make sure that she really was pregnant and not any further along than she says that she is.

If that's the case what an *sshole. He pulled the same chit with Nicole when it turned out to be that the baby she miscarried was really his.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Not really.
In the case of unmarried parents, the mother's legal rights are far greater than the biological father's, as there is no issue has to whether or not she's the mother. Provided that he's challenged by a savy lawyer, Cruise will first have to submit to a paternity test to even present a claim to the courts. If he can't pass it, he's SOL. If he does, he'll still be fighting an uphill battle. Katie Holmes' father is an attorney and I suspect she can afford as good a lawyer as he can. Plus, the Scientologists won't want her airing their dirty laundry in public re her reasons for not allowing him custody, so he'll be told to shut up, sit down, and pay quietly pay child support.

I don't think so darlin, but time will tell.

 

[nanandjim]

....In the case of unmarried parents, the mother's legal rights are far greater than the biological father's...

I don't know if this is true. If the father is wealthy, he can claim all sorts of things about the mother and be awarded custody. It happened in the Manhattan case where the mother was a model, who got pregnant by her married lover. She had twins, which were eventually awarded to the father. It took time and mega-bucks on the mother's part to eventually get the girls back.

In the case of TC and KH, I can see it being joint custody as is the current situation with Nicole Kidman.

Somehow, though, I don't see Katie Holmes leaving Tom Cruise. At this point, she seems like a young, smitten school girl who will follow Tom to the ends of the earth. I just hope that changes with time.

 

[kato]

I don't know if this is true. If the father is wealthy, he can claim all sorts of things about the mother and be awarded custody. It happened in the Manhattan case where the mother was a model, who got pregnant by her married lover. She had twins, which were eventually awarded to the father. It took time and mega-bucks on the mother's part to eventually get the girls back.

In the case of TC and KH, I can see it being joint custody as is the current situation with Nicole Kidman.

Somehow, though, I don't see Katie Holmes leaving Tom Cruise. At this point, she seems like a young, smitten school girl who will follow Tom to the ends of the earth. I just hope that changes with time.

I remember that case well. She accused him of molestation. I speak from very personal experience. These days you can't just accuse people of that willy nilly.

When my sis was going through her divorce 2 rs. ago she did the same thing and lost her kids (3). During the ordeal she said to me, "You know I will do anything to keep my kids, don't you? I said yeah and just blew her off because she tends to be very histrionic. That was 2 days before X-Mas. X-Mas eve she was supposed to go to church with me and backed out. Then next day (X-Mas) she told me she had gone to the police station and filed sexual molestation charges against not only the dad but the grandfather for molesting my niece.

Needless to say it backfired BIG time. Her ex sued her for Defamation of Character and she had to pay him and this month she goes to court because the grandfather is suing her for $50,000. They have lived in this community for over 45 yrs. and even though they are not guilty there is still a stigma from just being accused. Now grandpa is even scared to be alone (and doesn't) with his granddaughter. My 2 nephews live with their dad and I can't even have a relationship with them because if I go the house she feels I'm betraying her for consorting with the "enemy". Him and his family never did anything to me or to her for that matter. My niece is 1 week with her and 1 week with dad. Back and forth back and forth. The 2 boys do not see her or talk to her. They are 11 and 15. Sad man.

Sorry to rant but it's serious chit.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

I don't know if this is true. If the father is wealthy, he can claim all sorts of things about the mother and be awarded custody. It happened in the Manhattan case where the mother was a model, who got pregnant by her married lover. She had twins, which were eventually awarded to the father. It took time and mega-bucks on the mother's part to eventually get the girls back.

In the case of TC and KH, I can see it being joint custody as is the current situation with Nicole Kidman.

Somehow, though, I don't see Katie Holmes leaving Tom Cruise. At this point, she seems like a young, smitten school girl who will follow Tom to the ends of the earth. I just hope that changes with time.

It all depends on how good your lawyer is and how much you can afford to pay them and how much you're willing to have come out in court. In Holmes' case, her father could simply do it pro bono, and I suspect Cruise is more leery of dirty laundry being aired than she is, as he's older and has more of it. Scientology is a cult, and when you get into court and start discussing the "religion" and its tenets, its hard for it NOT to look like what it is, and the high-ups in the Church know it.

 

[kato]

It all depends on how good your lawyer is and how much you can afford to pay them and how much you're willing to have come out in court. In Holmes' case, her father could simply do it pro bono, and I suspect Cruise is more leery of dirty laundry being aired than she is, as he's older and has more of it. Scientology is a cult, and when you get into court and start discussing the "religion" and its tenets, its hard for it NOT to look like what it is, and the high-ups in the Church know it.

I agree. The Scientologists would not want TC to go to court.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

It all depends on how good your lawyer is and how much you can afford to pay them and how much you're willing to have come out in court. In Holmes' case, her father could simply do it pro bono, and I suspect Cruise is more leery of dirty laundry being aired than she is, as he's older and has more of it. Scientology is a cult, and when you get into court and start discussing the "religion" and its tenets, its hard for it NOT to look like what it is, and the high-ups in the Church know it.

The Scientology attorneys can handle it and it would be done sealed. There's no reason to believe any of it would become public. The "Church" of Scientology has managed to keep most of its dealings private. This would be no different. Katie's child would be involved, so there would be no reason to publicly embarass its father.

 

[j2mirish]

:laugh: :laugh:

Her father is an attorney and they are Catholic. I have to seriously doubt that they're just going to hand over their grandchild to be raised by a nut. :twocents:

 

[j2mirish]

I guess the true brainwashing test will come when we see if Katie disowns her own family for Tom. I can only imagine that Katie is in seclusion with her Scientologist mentors.

Tom is an idiot. I'm just not so sure that Katie sees that at this point.

N&J------I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING.................

 

[indallas2]

Tom Cruise’s future father-in-law apparently isn’t a happy camper.

Katie Holmes’s dad is said to be “very upset” because his unmarried daughter is pregnant with Cruise’s child. And, what’s more, the devoutly Catholic Martin Holmes reportedly is none-too-thrilled about his daughter’s involvement in her husband-to-be’s controversial religion, Scientology.

“[Martin Holmes] was very upset and got into a real spat with Katie,” the forthcoming issue of Life & Style Weekly quotes “a close friend” of Cruise as saying. “Tom had promised her parents that they would do the right thing and get married before any baby came along.” After scolding his daughter, according to the mag, Martin Holmes berated Cruise by declaring “You’re no good.”

“He said he and his wife were very upset by the news,” according to the source, “and demanded the pair get married quickly.”

Furthermore, a member of Christ the King Church, which the Holmes family belongs to, told L&S that Cruise and Holmes’ publicist, his sister Lee Anne DeVette, sent a letter to parishioners, asking them not to talk to reporters. Although a family friend told the mag that the Holmes family is thrilled by the news of a grandchild, they’re also concerned.

“It seemed like Katie was being controlled by Scientologists,” the friend told L&S. “Now they wonder if it’s a Rosemary’s Baby situation, where Katie is being groomed to provide Tom with a child.”

- I'm speechless

 

[OneLostGrl]

Katie Holmes' father is an attorney and I suspect she can afford as good a lawyer as he can. Plus, the Scientologists won't want her airing their dirty laundry in public re her reasons for not allowing him custody, so he'll be told to shut up, sit down, and pay quietly pay child support.

I promised myself I would keep quiet on the Scientology thing from now on but here I go again.
I will however keep it short and to the point.

First, keep in mind Tom has access to Scientology money and lawyers as well as his own... not much competing with that- the "church" is LOADED!

Second, The Scientologists are not scared of anyone.. they intimidate and threaten (this includes the likes of the Federal Goverment) and have successfully beaten lawsuits no one, including the high powered lawyers that go against them, ever thought they could. I seriously doubt they will be scared of Katie Holmes.

OK- I'm shutting up again about Scientology.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

The Scientology attorneys can handle it and it would be done sealed. There's no reason to believe any of it would become public. The "Church" of Scientology has managed to keep most of its dealings private. This would be no different. Katie's child would be involved, so there would be no reason to publicly embarass its father.

Well, the Church is used to intimidating non-celebrities. And non-celebrities stupid enough to have bought into their horse hockey to begin with. And considerably poorer from doing so. It would be interesting to see them trying to go head-to-head with someone as savvy re PR and with far more positive national/international "face time" than themselves and a decent bank roll.

 

[deanws]

It's been widely reported that Katie's father doesn't care for the little creep and wanted Katie to have a pre-nup agreement. If they do break up I bet he won't let her have the child and his lawyers will work out an agreement like Michael Jackson did with Debbie Rowe. Who knows, that might have been part of the plan from the beginning. :doh: :doh: She had hardly met Cruise after breaking up with her boyfriend of five years and then in the blink of an eye got pregnant.

He can't get the child unless she either agrees to let him have it...or she is proven to be an unfit mother.

 

[deanws]

If he's the biological father of the child, he's got just as much right to it as she does in America.

At best he will only get shared custody. He won't get to keep the child full time unless she agrees.

 

[deanws]

Not if they weren't married when the baby is born, huh?

If they were married before the baby was born..then he would have legal rights to the child whether it was biologically his or not. If they are not married and she does not put his name on the birth certificate, then she can keep him away from the baby as long as it is NOT his biological child.

 

[deanws]

Okay, how about this farfetched speculation? What if Tom has doubts that the baby is really his and that's why he won't marry Katie until he is sure? Maybe, he bought this sonogram machine to make sure that she really was pregnant and not any further along than she says that she is.

I doubt he is smart enough to even know what he is seeing in the sonogram.

 

[LinasK]

Monroe made the rather canny career move of dying before her star began to truly plummet, so that we view her as a Hollywood icon and not a washed-up lush/pill hound.

Career move???:waitasec: Marilyn Monroe was most likely murdered. She was found with drugs up her rectum, and there were several parties who had means and motive including the Kennedys- John & Bobby, Sinatra, and the Mafia for starters.