Tommy Croslin - Changes Story on what happened to Haleigh. AGAIN

[smart blonde]

They're too cool to tell the truth. Rat out one of their own? Never. & that's the main reason I don't think Joe is responsible. They would've just rallied round him, & treated him like a victim. They're not scared of that skinny dude. He lived in Tennessee & had no power over them. Tommy, who was a lot bigger then, could've overpowered him with just one punch. & with Misty as his sidekick? they could've beaten him to death. & saved Haleigh...& I don't believe that Joe sexually assaulted Misty while her loving brother just stood by-too petrified to intervene. That's ridiculous. & if Joe had a gun, & or knife, how did he have enough free hands, to assault Haleigh, bag her up, & at the same time, physically threaten Tommy? Tommy's either the biggest chicken, ever born, or he's lieing. just the thought of being cut, rendered him helpless? what was he supposedly thinking, during all of this? better Haleigh than me? makes no danged sense, & I'm not buying it. all of this is just MOO.

I see what you are saying, but I am not convinced that Joe didn't have something to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

From most reports, he was carrying a huge grudge against Ron that night.
I think it may be true that he went there looking for something to steal, some way to retaliate against Ron in a way that would make a loud and clear statement to Ron.

I think it is possible that Misty and Tommy also shared a resentment of Ron, to a somewhat lesser degree.

I remember watching an interview of Joe- I believe he was sitting on a couch, and his attorney was present. Something about his facial expression convinced me he was flat out lying when he denied any involvement that night.

I just can't shake the feeling that maybe Joe was the central force in Haleigh's abduction. Tommy may have been high as a kite, along for the ride, not fully understanding Joe's intentions with Haleigh until it was too late, and he was then, by all intents of the law, too involved to do the right thing.

Maybe that is when the cover-up began for Misty and Tommy- not trying to protect Cousin Joe, but trying to protect Tommy.

 

[dodie20]

THUD! Just practicing......................LOL.

but I CAN envision Greenwood's smile...I guess I'm allowed to dream.

 

[gibby207]

There reaches a point....and we passed it.

Seriously... quoting a hilarious 80s movie: "We've gone to plaid."

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

There reaches a point....and we passed it.

Teh, you ain't kidding. This has become about EVERYONE except Haleigh. I admire those that can follow other cases but I just can't do it. I'll admit it--I adore Haleigh, a true gift from God, as each and every child is, but it has broken my heart these 18 months that . I am glad I went to try and search while in FL but part of me wishes I didn't. I still see Crystal's eyes and am haunted. This has changed me forever.

Sorry for the rant/vent but I cannot fathom that not one single freaking person can tell the truth and worse, if they did, how would we know?

 

[tehcloser]

Sometimes you are just in a mood, and tonight, I am. There seems to be no one who really cares about justice for Haleigh. Not the "players", not the talking heads, and I'm just gonna say it...not even LE. I realize that that offends alot of posters who I am deeply fond of, but that's just the way I feel. I have been here since day 1, and through all the twists and turns and the lies...it's so freaking apparent to anyone what's going on, yet LE refuses to see. They won't arrest Joe, because they know it's all lie. That won't charge Tommy and Misty because they know that's not the truth. I have honestly came to believe they don't won't the truth to come out. And at the end of the day that leaves Haleigh.

I have tried since day one to believe LE knows and they just say things to make this person or that person believe otherwise, but I don't believe that any more. I do believe Putnam Co. has good people, but there is truly something wrong with the people who are sworn to serve and protect.

Papa you come to mind because I know you disagree with my thoughts, and for that I'm sorry. You have done everything in your power to find justice for Haleigh. You and so many others that are here day in and day out. I'm not a person who gives up easily, but honest to God...I only find peace knowing Haleigh is away from all of this and resting in Gods arms.

I can only hope that ANYONE who has stood in the way of this child being found...rots in hell.

 

[Emeralgem]

Sometimes you are just in a mood, and tonight, I am. There seems to be no one who really cares about justice for Haleigh. Not the "players", not the talking heads, and I'm just gonna say it...not even LE. I realize that that offends alot of posters who I am deeply fond of, but that's just the way I feel. I have been here since day 1, and through all the twists and turns and the lies...it's so freaking apparent to anyone what's going on, yet LE refuses to see. They won't arrest Joe, because they know it's all lie. That won't charge Tommy and Misty because they know that's not the truth. I have honestly came to believe they don't won't the truth to come out. And at the end of the day that leaves Haleigh.

I have tried since day one to believe LE knows and they just say things to make this person or that person believe otherwise, but I don't believe that any more. I do believe Putnam Co. has good people, but there is truly something wrong with the people who are sworn to serve and protect.

Papa you come to mind because I know you disagree with my thoughts, and for that I'm sorry. You have done everything in your power to find justice for Haleigh. You and so many others that are here day in and day out. I'm not a person who gives up easily, but honest to God...I only find peace knowing Haleigh is away from all of this and resting in Gods arms.

I can only hope that ANYONE who has stood in the way of this child being found...rots in hell.

Thank you Teh

 

[dodie20]

I see what you are saying, but I am not convinced that Joe didn't have something to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

From most reports, he was carrying a huge grudge against Ron that night.
I think it may be true that he went there looking for something to steal, some way to retaliate against Ron in a way that would make a loud and clear statement to Ron.

I think it is possible that Misty and Tommy also shared a resentment of Ron, to a somewhat lesser degree.

I remember watching an interview of Joe- I believe he was sitting on a couch, and his attorney was present. Something about his facial expression convinced me he was flat out lying when he denied any involvement that night.

I just can't shake the feeling that maybe Joe was the central force in Haleigh's abduction. Tommy may have been high as a kite, along for the ride, not fully understanding Joe's intentions with Haleigh until it was too late, and he was then, by all intents of the law, too involved to do the right thing.

Maybe that is when the cover-up began for Misty and Tommy- not trying to protect Cousin Joe, but trying to protect Tommy.

yes, early reports do point to a grudge between Ron & Joe. except for RON's early reports. What the heck? & even if Tommy was as high as a kite, I don't see him as a helpless. I've read reports that he claims to have been high on xanax...that's a 'raging' drug, not a 'render you helpless' drug. Trust me, I've seen it with my own 2 eyes. So, no, I'm not believing that Tommy was an innocent bystander. But, you're also right about Joe, IMO. Where are his LDT results, proving his innocence? & non participation? Where is the proof that he wasn't in that trailer, that night? Tommy & Misty, probably have something very damaging on him, or they wouldn't have been willing to use his name. Is Joe watching & laying in wait, hoping that Tommy & Misty will convolute the story, beyond any hope? Is he waiting to see if he's arrested, before talking? kind of a 'why rock the boat'? IDK, but he's a quiet one, that's for sure. If I was being wrongfully accused of something so heinous, you couldn't make me shut my mouth. I'd be out to clear my name, out for revenge, & out for blood. Seriously, I don't understand why he isn't irate.

 

[lonetraveler]

They're too cool to tell the truth. Rat out one of their own? Never. & that's the main reason I don't think Joe is responsible. They would've just rallied round him, & treated him like a victim. They're not scared of that skinny dude. He lived in Tennessee & had no power over them. Tommy, who was a lot bigger then, could've overpowered him with just one punch. & with Misty as his sidekick? they could've beaten him to death. & saved Haleigh...& I don't believe that Joe sexually assaulted Misty while her loving brother just stood by-too petrified to intervene. That's ridiculous. & if Joe had a gun, & or knife, how did he have enough free hands, to assault Haleigh, bag her up, & at the same time, physically threaten Tommy? Tommy's either the biggest chicken, ever born, or he's lieing. just the thought of being cut, rendered him helpless? what was he supposedly thinking, during all of this? better Haleigh than me? makes no danged sense, & I'm not buying it. all of this is just MOO.

Well, we do have statement by LE that Joe is not a suspect in Haleigh's disappearance. Add that bit of information to the fact that last week when Joe was arrested at his home he was NOT hit with a half a million to a million dollar bond like the other part of the family tree. He was bonded out immediately. So, if Joe is taken out of the picture that leaves Tommy and Misty at the mobile home that night by their own admission. Somebody in the Timmy Croslin household drove the dang van over to the MH that night. It was driven and damaged. Now, with Joe out of the picture and the process of elimination, that leaves either Timmy or Chelsea who drove that van that night. Anybody want to guess who? I have always thought that Haleigh was already dead when Misty arrived at the MH and the Croslin family were brought into the situation for cover up. They are either covering up for Misty because they do not know if she killed Haleigh or not due to her natural ability to lie like hello. Misty may have promised to go over to babysit earlier than she arrived and was convinced by the Cummings family that Haleigh died on her watch so LE will naturally think that she was the one who killed her so she was easily convinced to start and participate in a coverup. Ron may have called Tommy in order to get him over to the MH that night knowing that he would be walking into a real mess and feel obligated to also help with the coverup. Maybe Haleigh was put into a bag and temporarily placed at the dumpster to wait until someone came to pick her up. It is extremely hard for me to think that the Cummings would entrust Haleigh to someone who was not family. One thing is for sure though, if that van was involved, someone in the Timmy Crolsin's home drove it.

 

[epiphany]

JVM: We are hearing from CS tonight.

 

[tehcloser]

Teh, you ain't kidding. This has become about EVERYONE except Haleigh. I admire those that can follow other cases but I just can't do it. I'll admit it--I adore Haleigh, a true gift from God, as each and every child is, but it has broken my heart these 18 months that . I am glad I went to try and search while in FL but part of me wishes I didn't. I still see Crystal's eyes and am haunted. This has changed me forever.

Sorry for the rant/vent but I cannot fathom that not one single freaking person can tell the truth and worse, if they did, how would we know?

HH, I can't imagine actually being there and searching. But, you and I have talked many times...and I know she's in your heart and I understand when you say it changed you. Haleigh came in to our lives with that silly little grin and took our breath away. There is not one person on this board, regardless of what they think happened, that has not been touched in a forever kind of way. As hard as it is sometimes, I know it has a positive side. I think we all look around us with a closer eye. So many who have been touched by Haleigh have donated to Tim Miller or M.K....Haleigh has brought so many blessing to so many things. Her life did that. She was able to touch so many...and that my friend is the blessing in all of this. She lived for a reason.

 

[epiphany]

Kim Pacazio: Misty has told a million story-the key eye witness. first time i will agree w/TN...


JVM: No one on panel agrees w/M's story.

 

[TallCoolOne]

Oh for cryin' out loud!!! WHEREINTHEHELLIS Haleigh???????

 

[epiphany]

Levi: JW is sayin t story tween M and ToC is jiving-BS. they could've communicated thru their attorneys.

 

[Justin Tyme]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/24690929/detail.html

Werter appears to be talking out of both sides of Toc's mouth.

In the second paragraph where he's talking about JO he states: He took the body to the dock and then came back without the body, so there you have it, Croslin's att James Werter said.
To me this says that JO went to the dock by himself with Haleigh's body and came back without her.

Then you go to paragraph 4 and it states Werter said Croslin rode in the van to the dock with JO as Haleigh's lifeless body lay in the back seat.
and on down to paragraph 7 where it states: Croslin stayed in the passenger seat, he didn't drive. He didn't help in any sort of fashion, Werter said.


So my question to Werter would be: Did JO go alone to the dock with Haleigh by himself OR was ToC there in the van? He can't have it both ways.

JO left alone and came back without Haleigh or Toc was with Jo when Haleigh was disposed of? Did he not even catch what he himself was saying? Does that make sense to him???:waitasec::banghead::furious::furious::

 

[epiphany]

MikeB: re what more pressure to put on Misty?

Whole family wrote t book on dysfunction (the Croslins)

 

[bogeygal]

Sometimes you are just in a mood, and tonight, I am. There seems to be no one who really cares about justice for Haleigh. Not the "players", not the talking heads, and I'm just gonna say it...not even LE. I realize that that offends alot of posters who I am deeply fond of, but that's just the way I feel. I have been here since day 1, and through all the twists and turns and the lies...it's so freaking apparent to anyone what's going on, yet LE refuses to see. They won't arrest Joe, because they know it's all lie. That won't charge Tommy and Misty because they know that's not the truth. I have honestly came to believe they don't won't the truth to come out. And at the end of the day that leaves Haleigh.

I have tried since day one to believe LE knows and they just say things to make this person or that person believe otherwise, but I don't believe that any more. I do believe Putnam Co. has good people, but there is truly something wrong with the people who are sworn to serve and protect.

Papa you come to mind because I know you disagree with my thoughts, and for that I'm sorry. You have done everything in your power to find justice for Haleigh. You and so many others that are here day in and day out. I'm not a person who gives up easily, but honest to God...I only find peace knowing Haleigh is away from all of this and resting in Gods arms.

I can only hope that ANYONE who has stood in the way of this child being found...rots in hell.

Feeling the same way as you tehcloser. I get sad when thinking we may never find Haleigh. One of these characters know what happened to her and where she is. All they are thinking about is saving themselves. It's good to know some of them will be doing jail time for their drug addictions, but that's not enough for me.

 

[epiphany]

Levi: James W is tainting the jury pool.

KimP: who's going to trial (for murder)?
Levi: they all should

 

[epiphany]

KimP thinks LE doesnt believe t story.
- usually an eye-witness will give u a murder conviction, but in this case...M is eye witness

 

[krkrjx]

I don't understand how Werter thinks. (Assuming he does.)

Tommy swore up and down he didn't know if JO did anything and he was not going to say someone did something if they didn't.

He was adamant, said it over and over, remained in that mindset for weeks, mentioning it in phone calls to Hank.

Then all of a sudden, "Joe did it." Horrendous stories of what Joe did, how he threatened his cousins, a knife in one hand, a gun in the other...dock and surrounding area of river and woods gets searched, Tommy appears on the dock pointing out the "right spot."

And then...as quickly as it all started, it was over. We find out AGAIN that Tommy had not really witnessed anything...it was nothing more than Tommy needing to be let out of jail sooner rather than later, so he said whatever he thought would do that.

So now there's a new version from Tommy?

Lock Tommy up and throw away the key. I don't think he hurt Haleigh but I don't even care anymore that he didn't...he lied too many times and that is akin to spitting on her memory.

And lock up his [ ] of a sister, too...same reason.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

KP disputing that as Levi was stating Ron called 90 times and she said we don't know that information. I have to think she saw the phone records.