Tommy Croslin claims mistreatment in Putman Jail per Att

[Emeralgem]

BBM: If he truly does know what happened, why why why won't he tell the truth and be done with it? How long has it been now? He lost his wife and kids. His whole family has been behind bars, (except TiC) with him and Misty looking like they will be there for years. Now he claims he's afraid for his life. If he knows the truth, he should just say it instead of playing all these games. Wouldn't his lawyer encourage this?

Cry all you want Tommy. If you know what happened, just tell the truth for once. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

To be perfectly honest we don't know IF he hasn't told them everything he knows...IF Tommy told LE Haleigh was in that water I am almost inclined to believe he may very well have believed she was and I highly suspect IF thats is the case someone gave him that information...And he believed what they told him.. I doubt seriously he knows where Haleigh is though, Ronald Cummings and his family would never allow anyone to know exactly where Haleigh is or how she was disposed of...They couldn't risk that information leaking out... I suspect the ONLY thing Tommy really knows is that she is deceased IF indeed he did see her in that van...JMO

 

[tlcya]

However, we have the right to basic human rights, and if the air condioning is not working, then it needs to be fixed and it shouldn't have to take this for it to get done, its Florida, its hot, just because you are in there for selling pills or getting caught with weed and have to serve a few months does not mean you deserve to die, which could happen if someone overheated, or had a medical condition.

snipped to address the above

Lots of folks who are on fixed incomes, living in satsuma county, and who have not been involved in criminal activites are sitting in their houses without A/C right now as I type. My sympathies go to them, not TC. It is not a basic human right to enjoy air conditioning when incarcerated. It just isn't. I highly doubt Mr. Croslin will die from the jail conditions. To my knowledge, he has no medical conditino that would make him more prone than all his fellow inmates to suffer dire health consequences if he gets a bit warm.

If prisoners start dropping dead over there I may have to rethink the above, but for now, I find the other allegation that he asked for his attorney's presence during questioning and was denied more concerning. The plumbing and ventilation ones were just thrown in there to put a cherry on top and won't be taken seriously, IMO

 

[KSH352]

LE doesn't have to plant words in general pop about TC. RC has already done that. I suspect TC is getting harassed endlessly and rc is enjoying every minute of it. rc will not harm TC as that would put rc in prison for life. He has already told everyone that tc is the killer of his baby girl and tc does not get a moments' peace.

This is PCSO's last chance to find out what happened. TC is their only hope. His attorney has said that TC is NOT culpable but knows what happened. RC will never talk and had lawyered up from the beginning and has given nothing to LE....never will..thus, LE is going to come down on TC hard...it's really all they have.

Just to add something to your statement, which I agree with. Ronald has a member of the PCSO taking good care of him while he is in the
Putnam jail. I don't think I can say the LE person's name but he is always in contact with Ronald and taking him out for smokes and telling him whatever he finds out about the HaLeigh investigation. I know this for a fact, not rumor.

 

[krkrjx]

Just to add something to your statement, which I agree with. Ronald has a member of the PCSO taking good care of him while he is in the
Putnam jail. I don't think I can say the LE person's name but he is always in contact with Ronald and taking him out for smokes and telling him whatever he finds out about the HaLeigh investigation. I know this for a fact, not rumor.

Thanks for voicing this. Some of us here have voiced that before while others here have not voiced it but may know it to be a fact.

ETA: ...and we know his name.

 

[Chablis]

Thanks for voicing this. Some of us here have voiced that before while others here have not voiced it but may know it to be a fact.

ETA: ...and we know his name.

See, I just dont look at this like a "friendship"

They know Ron is ultimately responsible for what happened to his daughter, and are keeping him real close! A real friend would lower your bond and let you go about your life and be with your kids and family.

jmo

 

[dodie20]

I think Tommy very well may have agreed to an interview. He IS always looking for that deal. But I think when he realized that he's a suspect in Haleigh's murder, he freaked, & said 'end of interview', while the cops may have still been yelling at him. Once he got back to his cell, he had to think of a way to stop any future interviews, because he seriously does not want to hear any more of that. Tommy, in an early recording, said that the other inmates were taunting him & calling him names. did THOSE cops put the word out too? or do the inmates know something? or is Tommy just skittish & jumping at every boo? Considering, his association with the Haleigh case, he'd better toughen up, because other inmates aren't gonna let him slide. With that said, I'm not totally disbelieving Tommy, because these cops have shown that they have no problem lieing, either. So, which liar do we go with? as for now, I'm gonna go with LE, because it's doubtful they'd risk this case over something so stupid. but who really knows what they're used to getting away with. They do seem to be much more relaxed when lawyers aren't around. as for Tommy not being smart enough to pull this off? How smart do you have to be, to fool this LE? especially when, for weeks, they were looking for a kidnapped Haleigh, (a huge headstart for the killer), & especially when you have all of your drug buddies covering your azz. & this applies to ALL of the players, not just Tommy.

 

[krkrjx]

See, I just dont look at this like a "friendship"

They know Ron is ultimately responsible for what happened to his daughter, and are keeping him real close! A real friend would lower your bond and let you go about your life and be with your kids and family.

jmo

I do hope LE is just playing RC, but as time goes by it looks more and more like he is playing them. And LE can't lower anyone's bond. LE has nothing to do with bond/no bond/high bond/reducing bond, etc. However, if LE had anything to do with bond I have no doubt RC would have been out running around without a care in the world for some time now.

My opinion on LE and how they handle the players, and whether they care about justice or not, can vary from day to day. Today, I feel LE is up to no good and that maybe there is some validity to Tommy's claims. Yesterday, I was able to cut LE some slack, and maybe will be able to again tomorrow.

LE is making me just as crazy as the players.

 

[Chablis]

I do hope LE is just playing RC, but as time goes by it looks more and more like he is playing them. And LE can't lower anyone's bond. LE has nothing to do with bond/no bond/high bond/reducing bond, etc. However, if LE had anything to do with bond I have no doubt RC would have been out running around without a care in the world for some time now.

My opinion on LE and how they handle the players, and whether they care about justice or not, can vary from day to day. Today, I feel LE is up to no good and that maybe there is some validity to Tommy's claims. Yesterday, I was able to cut LE some slack, and maybe will be able to again tomorrow.

LE is making me just as crazy as the players.

Except, we know they had Ron in a room, and told him that the only time Misty would break down and cry, was when they talked to her about him. Ron said Misty was smoking, he almost seemed kinda jealous when he said this, so at that time I dont think anyone was "befriending" him at that point. They arent giving Ron smokes and taking walks together because they think hes a super neat guy. They want information from him in regards to what happened to HaLeigh and they are trying to gain his trust and make him feel "macho" and special by getting these special privileges.

But back to him being told about how Misty reacted to him, what was the point in all that?

I just dont know what they are thinking putting Tommy in GP. I dont think Ronald will touch him though and maybe thats why they are in the same area, the cops know Ron is all talk.

jmo

 

[krkrjx]

I think Tommy very well may have agreed to an interview. He IS always looking for that deal. But I think when he realized that he's a suspect in Haleigh's murder, he freaked, & said 'end of interview', while the cops may have still been yelling at him. Once he got back to his cell, he had to think of a way to stop any future interviews, because he seriously does not want to hear any more of that. Tommy, in an early recording, said that the other inmates were taunting him & calling him names. did THOSE cops put the word out too? or do the inmates know something? or is Tommy just skittish & jumping at every boo? Considering, his association with the Haleigh case, he'd better toughen up, because other inmates aren't gonna let him slide. With that said, I'm not totally disbelieving Tommy, because these cops have shown that they have no problem lieing, either. So, which liar do we go with? as for now, I'm gonna go with LE, because it's doubtful they'd risk this case over something so stupid. but who really knows what they're used to getting away with. They do seem to be much more relaxed when lawyers aren't around. as for Tommy not being smart enough to pull this off? How smart do you have to be, to fool this LE? especially when, for weeks, they were looking for a kidnapped Haleigh, (a huge headstart for the killer), & especially when you have all of your drug buddies covering your azz. & this applies to ALL of the players, not just Tommy.

I suspect Tommy expected LE to come to his rescue if other inmates taunted him. All LE has to do is keep someone from harming him; they do not have to rescue him from taunts.

If LE yelled at Tommy, that's not illegal. They can't strike him or spit at him or anything of that nature but they can lie through their teeth, and yell as loud as they want. What is illegal is for them to continue questioning after he requested an attorney be present. Whether he has an attorney or not, as soon as he requested one LE has to stop interrogating, questioning until an attorney is present and if they don't, they are breaking laws. But even then, I am not aware of any law that requires LE to stop yelling, or any law that says they have to be nice to him.

 

[dodie20]

Just to add something to your statement, which I agree with. Ronald has a member of the PCSO taking good care of him while he is in the
Putnam jail. I don't think I can say the LE person's name but he is always in contact with Ronald and taking him out for smokes and telling him whatever he finds out about the HaLeigh investigation. I know this for a fact, not rumor.

not to discredit you, but I have a hard time believing this. If this is true, why was it left to GGS to inform Ron of the bone results? Why didn't his friend just tell him, AND call GGS, so she wouldn't have to get her news from the tv? I don't think a higher up LE would risk this, & if it's a lower down LE, he's risking his job. maybe he's a plant...who knows. Ron, better than anybody, should know to not trust anybody, behind those walls. Even if he didn't kill Haleigh, those cops know that he hasn't done anything but hurt this investigation, (& sell drugs), so I don't see any of them respecting him enough to risk their jobs.

 

[krkrjx]

not to discredit you, but I have a hard time believing this. If this is true, why was it left to GGS to inform Ron of the bone results? Why didn't his friend just tell him, AND call GGS, so she wouldn't have to get her news from the tv? I don't think a higher up LE would risk this, & if it's a lower down LE, he's risking his job. maybe he's a plant...who knows. Ron, better than anybody, should know to not trust anybody, behind those walls. Even if he didn't kill Haleigh, those cops know that he hasn't done anything but hurt this investigation, (& sell drugs), so I don't see any of them respecting him enough to risk their jobs.

I firmly believe someone is watching out for Ronnie and even though they have no clout over the charges, they are making his stay in Putnam as comfy as possible. When the incident with Misty crying after hearing the tape of RC happened, RC was still in Flagler. He started out at Putnam and the first mug shot shows him wearing bling. Next mug shot, no bling. And he told his mom LE had assured him he could have his chain in jail (but apparently Flagler said no). It was only Putnam that had said yes to the jewelry. RC requests transfer to Putnam and gets it immediately. Doesn't want his calls and visits made public...request granted.

I don't like any of the players but I have to say that right this minute I have a twinge of sympathy for Tommy. I do believe he is being taunted and yelled at by LE as well as other inmates. Not saying he doesn't deserve some of this but for crying out loud, I want to hear that RC isn't living the life of riley there in Putnam County Jail. So far, I have not heard RC is even the least bit uncomfortable...so I will assume his AC works and his toilet flushes.

All JMHO.

 

[grandmaj]

Helloooooooooo have we gone tilt sideways and almost overturned this ship? Or Kimster's train? Back to these claims Tommy is making please and thank you.

 

[Missingmeds]

My point is that if the charges are true, then Tommy's civil rights were violated and that is not okay.

 

[Snowbunny]

If they get TC rattled enough and frantic enough and RC sees this, then they will likely tell RC that TC is ratting on him and then you will see fireworks. Afterall, its the 4th of July weekend. The real cherry bomb is going to be RC. One can only hope.

 

[LillieBelle]

Something stinks and it ain't Denmark. Is Tommy being delivered to Ron? Will Tommy be knocked off and then named as Haleigh's killer by LE? Is this a ploy to "solve" this case by LE? I don't give a flying fig for anyone involved in this case but I sure as .......hit don't want someone put into a situation for a "hit" so that a "cold" case can be written off of the books. I want Haleigh's murderer brought to justice the legal way. I DO NOT WANT HER MURDER COVERED UP ANY MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellently stated!! I, as I'm sure we all do, want justice in this case, but something tells me in my gut, that this is very, very fishy smelling...moo...

 

[Snowbunny]

For those who having seen the motion that was filed for TC here it is:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/45792398/Motion-Croslin

 

[Snowbunny]

If LE did what was mentioned in the motion filed on behalf of Tommy then LE is in deep dodo. YOU DO NOT interriogate a person without his attorney present or deny him the right to council. I just thought they might have rattled his cage in passing but what they did if they did it is called against the law. Those three will be up the creek without a paddle if any of this is true and TC can prove it.

If any of this is true then LE just screw themselves where HaLeigh's case is concerned and the state just lost its case if they even had one.

 

[krkrjx]

JVM will be talking about this issue in a few minutes. Maybe that needs a new thread, just mentioning she will be talking about Tommy and his claims, on her show, in a few minutes if anyone wants to tune in.

 

[krkrjx]

Helloooooooooo have we gone tilt sideways and almost overturned this ship? Or Kimster's train? Back to these claims Tommy is making please and thank you.

Sorry :innocent:

 

[KSH352]

not to discredit you, but I have a hard time believing this. If this is true, why was it left to GGS to inform Ron of the bone results? Why didn't his friend just tell him, AND call GGS, so she wouldn't have to get her news from the tv? I don't think a higher up LE would risk this, & if it's a lower down LE, he's risking his job. maybe he's a plant...who knows. Ron, better than anybody, should know to not trust anybody, behind those walls. Even if he didn't kill Haleigh, those cops know that he hasn't done anything but hurt this investigation, (& sell drugs), so I don't see any of them respecting him enough to risk their jobs.

That's ok you can have a hard time believing what I say. There are posters on this thread that can verify that I have knowledge of the information I posted. I don't know anything about the "bones" incident you stated "who called who" But it is my opinion PCSO knew the bones were not that of a child when they were first recovered. There was an expert on the scene at the time of the discovery.
The person I spoke of is higher up. Ron trust this person? Yes, he does they have been friends for a long time.