Top Dog: Il Police Chief "prosecute Drew"

[Tom'sGirl]

Yes, I thought that was not the way things normally go in these situations.

But according to Steve there was Drew cleaning up the bathroom as soon as LE had gotten what they needed.

Usually I would think that would be left for the immediate family..her family to take care of..so why did Drew feel the need to do some housekeeping at the scene of his ex wife's death? That's probably the only time he cleaned a tub in his whole married life.

Didn't his brother Steve also say at one point DP cleaned up the tub so the boys wouldn't see it, or am I recalling wrong? Why would the boys see it???

 

[DeltaDawn]

Exactly, the boys weren't with him then. I thought he took the boys there to return them to Kitty and when there was no answer they went home. Then he called. etc. then called a locksmith to let him in..while at the same time he called a neighbor and Steve to come over and go in first. My thoughts because he needed the boys to witness Mom didn't answer the door, Steve and the neighbor to witness the crime scene, the cops to witness the crime scene..then he cleaned the tub when LE was done so that there would be nothing left of the crime scene. But AFTERhe killed Kitty I think he cleaned up any debris from the assault on her, made the scene perfect in his mind. I think he waiting thinking someone else would discover her..when they didn't he moved forward under the guise of returning the boys after the weekend.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

think police batton

We have a winner! I was trying my hardest to figure out the beating weapon. I couldn't imagine Drew using his bear hands to do all the beating, as his hands would be injured, bruised, possibly scratched. I agree with this, also possible to police flash light. The baton and flashlight are basically two standard items most police have on them at all times and available to them. Plus the baton wouldn't be hard to clean dna off of, like other weapons. I guarantee you the medical examiners know what baton injuries look like exactly on a body.

And thanks for reminding me of this! In my mind I was thinking of asphyxia as in strangulation and smothering or compression. I totally get what Kool look was trying to say now. Sorry Kool look. :blowkiss:

No problem, post away. Peace and Happy Thanksgivings to everyone!

Also, she had long hair, but did not have it tied or pinned up. Others have stated she always put it up before a bath. And anyone with long hair already knows it would be gross to take a bath with your hair hanging down into it.

I have the same hair and length as Kathy. I do occassionally wash my hair in the tub, which is a hard, sometimes messy prospect, splashing water on sides of jacuzzi, walls, mirrors, etc... But I do it, especially when I was sickly.
I bathe often, and my hair always goes up, most of the time I shower to wash my hair for obvious reasons. But when I bathe most of the time it has some type of skin softener, bubbles, etc... to soak in to replenish the skin, not wanting to get the oils in the hair.

Agreed, unless you were planning on washing it in the tub, which I do in my patio tub.

See my earlier post. I do it, but when all is well, I prefer to wash hair in the shower.

We know it is how she was found, but was she naked during the beating and subsequent drowning?

I don't believe Kathy was naked during any of the beating or murder. Drew took her clothes off, he's so sexually driven mentally, which is obvious in the way he talks about Stacey. He is so demeaning towards women, just one more attempt to demean her, even in death.

Exactly, the boys weren't with him then. I thought he took the boys there to return them to Kitty and when there was no answer they went home. Then he called. etc. then called a locksmith to let him in..while at the same time he called a neighbor and Steve to come over and go in first. My thoughts because he needed the boys to witness Mom didn't answer the door, Steve and the neighbor to witness the crime scene, the cops to witness the crime scene..then he cleaned the tub when LE was done so that there would be nothing left of the crime scene. But AFTERhe killed Kitty I think he cleaned up any debris from the assault on her, made the scene perfect in his mind. I think he waiting thinking someone else would discover her..when they didn't he moved forward under the guise of returning the boys after the weekend.

I agree with this post. He just has all the back up alibi's, doesn't he? She was naked because he took her clothes off and disposed of them after the murder, because we know mroe than likely than not he had some of his dna on them. Also the clothes would have told the story of possibly where the initial assault took place in the home. I don't believe it began in the bathroom. I believe the bathroom was the after thought.

He took her body in their after she was unconscious, staged the scene, and drowned her. He could clean up right there, which is what he did.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Good for the Chief. It does, indeed, sound like he's trying to right some former wrongs, IMO. I have not followed this case all that closely, but just very generally. In fact, it wasn't until this thread that I had even read that DP has resigned. Grrrrr. However, a few initial thoughts upon reading the article. (Thanks for that, BTW!)

In our Department, most of the time the Commander will want to accept an officer's (if under suspicion) resignation ASAP, before they change their mind. We even had the chain of command driving the "acceptance memo" out to the officer's home to get it done, if needed. I like that the Chief was thinking big picture, trying to continue to have access to DP, LOL.

However, even in the case of us having an officer resign upon being served a formal complaint against him - although that ends the Department's ability to interview the officer under the internal investigation, other parts of the investigation are normally followed through by other means. Basically, a lot of information is gathered and determinations made. It's there for future reference. Just because the Chief can't interview DP now under Departmental procedures, they can still compile a wealth of information and pass along any criminal findings to the DA, as they mentioned. Love it, personally!

Interesting DP just had an unpaid suspension for the pursuit violation. I think it said it was a substantial number of days? Must have been a pretty flagrant violation. So, he was under stress at work after having a complaint being sustained against him.... At least in my state, the findings of a sustained complaint against an officer are available under public records.

Re Chief's comments about serious violations of general orders (we have Ten General Orders, and most agencies I am aware of have a similar number)..and possibly turning them over to the DA for criminal prosecution...could be hundreds of different violations, from small to large. Yet, he did say serious. It is common to find more violations after an investigation is opened for something unrelated. We've got one in my office that seems to be doubling in size as the days go on...It's now the size of War and Peace, and had only started with a few charges about not having proper chain of custody for a drug seizure.

It sounds hopeful that the Chief will be pursuing any and every charge available...helping the DA along

JMO

 

[SeekingJana]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312546,00.html

Illinois State Police Captain Carl Dobrich told the Tribune 64 officers are now assigned full-time to investigate the disappearance of Stacy Peterson and the death of Kathleen Savio.
Dobrich said in the course of the investigation, detectives discovered evidence Drew Peterson may have violated Bolingbrook Police Department policies.
Dobrich would not describe the alleged violations, but told the Tribune they were serious enough to potentially trigger the loss of Drew Peterson's $6,000 monthly pension. Under state law, a police officer's pension may be denied or revoked only if the officer is convicted of a job-related felony.

:woohoo: :woohoo:

 

[mysteriew]

Potential charges, could they be related to Drew showing up at Denny's in uniform? I am thinking of the fact that Drew might have been on the clock. But I don't see that qualifying for criminal charges. Other possibility and this one could qualify: He may have picked out Rosetto's auto and ran his license number. I know that is always against policy to use the police system to get personal info on someone if it isn't job related. Would that qualify for criminal charges?

That could also explain why police are theorizing that he may have dumped Stacy in Rosetto's neighborhood. Knowing that he had gotten the address.

 

[DeltaDawn]

Potential charges, could they be related to Drew showing up at Denny's in uniform? I am thinking of the fact that Drew might have been on the clock. But I don't see that qualifying for criminal charges. Other possibility and this one could qualify: He may have picked out Rosetto's auto and ran his license number. I know that is always against policy to use the police system to get personal info on someone if it isn't job related. Would that qualify for criminal charges?

That could also explain why police are theorizing that he may have dumped Stacy in Rosetto's neighborhood. Knowing that he had gotten the address.

I agree..combine the stalking, wiretapping, bugs, etc..I don't think that is behavior LE takes kindly to an officer doing to private citizens not involved in any crime..just for the heck of it so to speak. And I would think Drew being on the clock when he circled Denny's a few times, then went in and tried to intimadate Rossetto, Stacy and their friends is against dept rules. They weren't breaking any laws having lunch or dinner with a group of friends.

 

[curiositycat]

I agree and I think this is when he first decided she was having an affair with Rosseto. He judged that based on his adulterous past. Now she has the boxes packed, ect. Nothing she can say will convince him she is NOT having an affair, because of his life of lies.
He comes home, finds the "secret" cell phone and is even more convinced she is leaving him for SR.
He kills her.
This is why he can say without flinching "She left me for another man" He was convinced he she was doing just this.
By the way, take an old ladies advice. Don't let Ann Rule write this one. You write this book.:dance:

Potential charges, could they be related to Drew showing up at Denny's in uniform? I am thinking of the fact that Drew might have been on the clock. But I don't see that qualifying for criminal charges. Other possibility and this one could qualify: He may have picked out Rosetto's auto and ran his license number. I know that is always against policy to use the police system to get personal info on someone if it isn't job related. Would that qualify for criminal charges?

That could also explain why police are theorizing that he may have dumped Stacy in Rosetto's neighborhood. Knowing that he had gotten the address.

 

[mysteriew]

Another tidbit about the charges

Dobrich would not describe the alleged violations, but told the Tribune they were serious enough to potentially trigger the loss of Drew Peterson's $6,000 monthly pension. Under state law, a police officer's pension may be denied or revoked only if the officer is convicted of a job-related felony.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312607,00.html

Deputy Dawg, if you stop in here again I have a question. If an officer were caught running the license number of an individual for personal reasons, would that be a felony?

 

[Trino]

Yes, I thought that was not the way things normally go in these situations. But according to Steve there was Drew cleaning up the bathroom as soon as LE had gotten what they needed. Usually I would think that would be left for the immediate family..her family to take care of..so why did Drew feel the need to do some housekeeping at the scene of his ex wife's death? That's probably the only time he cleaned a tub in his whole married life.

DP co-owed the property with Savio. Although they were divorced, the property had not yet been divided.

 

[TGIRecovered]

He may have picked out Rosetto's auto and ran his license number. I know that is always against policy to use the police system to get personal info on someone if it isn't job related. Would that qualify for criminal charges?

Mysteriew, I believe you are correct. I tried to get mine to run my own info to be sure that a ticket I had paid got taken off my record, he would not do it because it is a serious violation of policy. (Sometimes, old tickets can mistakenly remain on your record even after you pay, resulting in a warrant. )

Susan

 

[mysteriew]

TGI can you ask your hubby if it is a felony to run a record that is not for work purposes?

PS, you can always get stopped again and ask the officer when he runs your license . You can always call your insurance agent.

 

[mysteriew]

Ok, Greta is saying the FBI is coming in to help with the investigation into whatever it is the Chief is looking into. So it looks like it is more than just checking a license tag.

 

[TGIRecovered]

TGI can you ask your hubby if it is a felony to run a record that is not for work purposes?

PS, you can always get stopped again and ask the officer when he runs your license . You can always call your insurance agent.

I asked him and he says if it was just running someone's plate or D.L. for curiosity' sake it would be an internal reprimand and you would lose your privilege to access that data, HOWEVER, if he used improperly obtained info to stalk , harass, threaten, burgle, murder and so on, it would then become a felony oppression.

I would assume that would also include pursueing a person without cause, or using his position to authorize another officer to chase someone.


Susan

 

[mysteriew]

Since they are calling in the FBI, I have a feeling that they are investigating something much bigger.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Since they are calling in the FBI, I have a feeling that they are investigating something much bigger.

Organized crime?

susan

 

[curiositycat]

Serial Murder??

 

[Jaded]

Serial Murder??

ding ding ding!!! This one gets my vote.

 

[SuziQ]

The RICO act comes to mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RICO_%28law%29

 

[fran]

Ok, Greta is saying the FBI is coming in to help with the investigation into whatever it is the Chief is looking into. So it looks like it is more than just checking a license tag.

How about tapping phones.

Or bugging houses and listening while on duty.

Or following someone in a patrol car and waiting outside while they're in visiting or whatever.

Or falsly writing someone a ticket and arresting them.

Or going to his exwife's house in the capacity of a concerned citizen but is a watch commander on duty and you let the citizen go search the house while you stand there like a tree stump.

Or one of your fellow officers is on the decision board for a suspicious death you have a financial interest in.

Or you tell a drug dealer the name of an undercover officer who's infiltrated the suspected dealers gang.

Of course, the serial killer works too!

One way or the other, Drew is going down, IMHO.:behindbar

fran