Travis Alexander and Jodi Arias - What do you believe?

[Knox]

I read that his tire's had been slashed, had not heard about the journals. Wonder if there were incriminating words written in them. Depending on the timing, theft of those journals could speak to pre-meditation.

Here is a story I had not seen before, phone interview with Steven Alexander, Travis' brother.
Click on the extended interview video link.
http://www.abc15.com/news/local/sto...esa-murder-of-his/pTk_5J4XbESALaI7edYnmQ.cspx

 

[nobodyzgirl]

I read that his tire's had been slashed, had not heard about the journals. Wonder if there were incriminating words written in them. Depending on the timing, theft of those journals could speak to pre-meditation.

Here is a story I had not seen before, phone interview with Steven Alexander, Travis' brother.
Click on the extended interview video link.
http://www.abc15.com/news/local/sto...esa-murder-of-his/pTk_5J4XbESALaI7edYnmQ.cspx

Thanks for the link Knox, very interesting. I see that his brother agrees she is using the question about whether Travis abused her, and by not answering she is setting herself up to the use the excuse of self-defence and play the victim.

I did find some very interesting comments that he mentioned during his conversation:

• Travis believed she slashed his tires, though there was no proof;
• it was obvious that she fell hard for him, though Travis never talked about her publicly or said this is my girlfriend. He dated other woman, because he was looking for "the one" to marry and settle down with;
• she only said she was at Travis' once the LE started to show the evidence against her, though they have a lot more evidence that they haven't told her about and it will all come out;
• She uses the excuse they were trying to keep their relationship private, though if Travis were alive today he would be ashamed of himself and he thinks that he became "addicted" to having sex with her, because at 30 years old, he was still a virgin and that she only wanted sex;
• Jodi wasn't really involved with the same company as Travis, and it always looked like she was looking for the next best thing
• His friends said that she was very jealous of Travis, and would snoop to see his text messages, etc.
• Jodi's MS interests are very similiar if not identical to Travis' and if you compare you will see. The brother believes she was trying to have a life like Travis (again another reason she was jealous)
• At Travis' memorial, friends said she showed up with a big smile and seemed very happy, not saddened by his loss

 

[Chanler]

Thanks for the link Knox, very interesting. I see that his brother agrees she is using the question about whether Travis abused her, and by not answering she is setting herself up to the use the excuse of self-defence and play the victim.

I did find some very interesting comments that he mentioned during his conversation:

• Travis believed she slashed his tires, though there was no proof;
• it was obvious that she fell hard for him, though Travis never talked about her publicly or said this is my girlfriend. He dated other woman, because he was looking for "the one" to marry and settle down with;
• she only said she was at Travis' once the LE started to show the evidence against her, though they have a lot more evidence that they haven't told her about and it will all come out;
• She uses the excuse they were trying to keep their relationship private, though if Travis were alive today he would be ashamed of himself and he thinks that he became "addicted" to having sex with her, because at 30 years old, he was still a virgin and that she only wanted sex;
• Jodi wasn't really involved with the same company as Travis, and it always looked like she was looking for the next best thing
• His friends said that she was very jealous of Travis, and would snoop to see his text messages, etc.
• Jodi's MS interests are very similiar if not identical to Travis' and if you compare you will see. The brother believes she was trying to have a life like Travis (again another reason she was jealous)
• At Travis' memorial, friends said she showed up with a big smile and seemed very happy, not saddened by his loss

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  Hi, nobodyzgirl. Thanks for this useful synopsis. It's difficult to know how much of his brother's information is completely accurate. (For example, how does he know that Jodi was only interested in sex? Her MySpace interests, films, and books are pretty diverse and not exactly erotic. And if she stole all her interest from Travis, are we really to believe that this practical guy was interested in telepathy and water crystals?) Much of it is hearsay not admissible at a trial and obviously the family disliked Jodi even before she slaughtered Travis.

 

[Knox]

It was interesting to hear an Alexander family member's perspective on this case. It was also clear that Travis was very loved and deeply cherished by all who knew him. I have done numerous searches and had never seen that interview or story. Thanks Indianagirl, you supplied the link to FB and I found it there. :blowkiss:

I still have not found any statements from Jodi's family, to be absolutely mute to me is odd. Maybe they have issued a statement somewhere along the line? I have given this some thought, as parents, what would my husband and I we do if one of our kids did something like this, how would we handle it? Difficult to imagine and hard to say unless you are actually living it, but here's what I think we would do ... Experience sheer devastation at the news. Listen to the facts as stated by our child and LE. If the facts were the same as in this case, we would push/firmly encourage her to negotiate a plea deal and admit guilt (I say this because I FIRMLY believe the facts we have seen this far prove guilt). If the victim's family were willing, we would try to speak with them to express our sorrow for their loss. If not, we would issue a statement to the media early on and then hope media would respect our privacy. At no time would we stop loving her.

My heart goes out to all those who have a loved one taken from them. I admire people like Denise Smart, the Sunds, Marc Klaas and all the others who turn their own personal tragedy into a way to help others. I also feel for parents who find themselves on the other side of the coin, Mark Hackings parents for example.

Hope I don't offend anyone, was just thinking about how Jodi's family may be coping.

 

[nobodyzgirl]

I've been searching also, trying to find statements made by Jodi's family, though I can't find anything. I did read somewhere that Jodi's older sister commented somewhere on the internet, though I can't actually find her comment on the internet (of course, if I actually knew her name, it might help with my search! LOL), so I'm not sure how truthful that statement is that I read. If I ever find it, then I'll be sure to post a link.

I also think that Travis' brother's comments are very one-sided. He said he knows what Jodi is all about, though he actually never met her, so I'm assuming he's basing his own opinions from what Travis' friends who knew her had to say. He does say that he is privy to a lot more information that the public knows, which is likely very true and maybe part of his opinion about her is in the evidence that he has seen.

I'm not sure how supportive I would be if my daughter committed the crime that Jodi has been accused of, nor am I sure that I would even go public and say anything, so I don't really find it odd that her family hasn't said very much.

 

[Chanler]

It was interesting to hear an Alexander family member's perspective on this case. It was also clear that Travis was very loved and deeply cherished by all who knew him. I have done numerous searches and had never seen that interview or story. Thanks Indianagirl, you supplied the link to FB and I found it there. :blowkiss:

I still have not found any statements from Jodi's family, to be absolutely mute to me is odd. Maybe they have issued a statement somewhere along the line? I have given this some thought, as parents, what would my husband and I we do if one of our kids did something like this, how would we handle it? Difficult to imagine and hard to say unless you are actually living it, but here's what I think we would do ... Experience sheer devastation at the news. Listen to the facts as stated by our child and LE. If the facts were the same as in this case, we would push/firmly encourage her to negotiate a plea deal and admit guilt (I say this because I FIRMLY believe the facts we have seen this far prove guilt). If the victim's family were willing, we would try to speak with them to express our sorrow for their loss. If not, we would issue a statement to the media early on and then hope media would respect our privacy. At no time would we stop loving her.

My heart goes out to all those who have a loved one taken from them. I admire people like Denise Smart, the Sunds, Marc Klaas and all the others who turn their own personal tragedy into a way to help others. I also feel for parents who find themselves on the other side of the coin, Mark Hackings parents for example.

Hope I don't offend anyone, was just thinking about how Jodi's family may be coping.

Hi, Knox; you're so right. The numerous, heartfelt tributes to Travis show how deeply felt was his loss.

And thanks too for your comments about Jodi's family, which certainly echo my own feelings. I think that in this kind of case, there are victims all around and that the family of a suspect, guilty or innocent, find themselves in a place where nothing that they can do or not do will help at all. Though they did not cause it, it becomes a consuming issue in their lives. Public support (whatever that might mean) is usually less important than private communications with the accused.

At this stage of the case, I hope that they are trying to convince Jodi to listen to her legal counsel and stop talking to the press.

 

[Chanler]

I've been searching also, trying to find statements made by Jodi's family, though I can't find anything. I did read somewhere that Jodi's older sister commented somewhere on the internet, though I can't actually find her comment on the internet (of course, if I actually knew her name, it might help with my search! LOL), so I'm not sure how truthful that statement is that I read. If I ever find it, then I'll be sure to post a link.

I also think that Travis' brother's comments are very one-sided. He said he knows what Jodi is all about, though he actually never met her, so I'm assuming he's basing his own opinions from what Travis' friends who knew her had to say. He does say that he is privy to a lot more information that the public knows, which is likely very true and maybe part of his opinion about her is in the evidence that he has seen.

I'm not sure how supportive I would be if my daughter committed the crime that Jodi has been accused of, nor am I sure that I would even go public and say anything, so I don't really find it odd that her family hasn't said very much.

Hi, nobodyzgirl. I think that Travis' brother and his other friends are quite justifiably upset with Jodi, who never seems to have fit in with their circle. I think that they know, as we do, that the forensic evidence against her seems to be overwhelming. Beyond that, I think that most of what they hold against her is probably roughly true, but is nevertheless hearsay inadmissible in court.

A lot of what family and relatives think about a loved one's relationship is scuttlebutt that gathers negativity as it's passed on. I think that there's also a quite natural tendency after some one's death to sanctify every aspect of their behavior.

In this case, I think that Travis's job and religion prompted him to have both a public face and a private face. Some of what we hear seems to be contradictory: If Travis had denounced Jodi as a thief, a vandal, and a lot more one week before his murder, would it be likely that he would be having sex and taking erotic pictures with her on the very day he died as the time stamp seems to show?

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Thanks you all for the links!

Jodi's entry on the legacy page gives me the creeps. I can't explain it, but it's almost as though she has no boundaries. Even if on that day, she wasn't being looked at, she still had knowledge that she left Travis laying on the floor to die.

 

[Indianagirl]

Hi, nobodyzgirl. I think that Travis' brother and his other friends are quite justifiably upset with Jodi, who never seems to have fit in with their circle. I think that they know, as we do, that the forensic evidence against her seems to be overwhelming. Beyond that, I think that most of what they hold against her is probably roughly true, but is nevertheless hearsay inadmissible in court.

A lot of what family and relatives think about a loved one's relationship is scuttlebutt that gathers negativity as it's passed on. I think that there's also a quite natural tendency after some one's death to sanctify every aspect of their behavior.

In this case, I think that Travis's job and religion prompted him to have both a public face and a private face. Some of what we hear seems to be contradictory: If Travis had denounced Jodi as a thief, a vandal, and a lot more one week before his murder, would it be likely that he would be having sex and taking erotic pictures with her on the very day he died as the time stamp seems to show?

I completely agree with everything you have stated! :clap: When I saw those comments on FB, I wasn't sure what to think. I'm guessing Travis probably did suspect that Jodi was involved with the tire slashing (as his friends and family thought she was involved) but he couldn't prove it and maybe he didn't want to believe that she would be that cruel to drive that far of a distance just to destroy his property. Afterall, that is pure hatred.

We have no way of knowing as of yet, if Jodi stole Travis' journals...but if she did, I can only imagine the range of emotions Travis must have felt. Esp. stealing something so precious and private.

After looking at all the FB comments from his friends and family, it really is apparent he was a great guy and would do anything in his power to help someone out. This is just such a sad story for all involved, including the pain and suffering Jodi has probably caused her own family. I really do pray and hope Travis' loved ones are able to find peace and closure someday.

 

[Chanler]

Thanks you all for the links!

Jodi's entry on the legacy page gives me the creeps. I can't explain it, but it's almost as though she has no boundaries. Even if on that day, she wasn't being looked at, she still had knowledge that she left Travis laying on the floor to die.

Hi, Boyz Mum; it is eerie; isn't it? It's as if Jodi is the monster created by positive thinking, the sense that we can make everything perfect just by willing it so.

 

[nobodyzgirl]

Hi, Boyz Mum; it is eerie; isn't it? It's as if Jodi is the monster created by positive thinking, the sense that we can make everything perfect just by willing it so.

The other thing that is eerie (for me anyway) is her mug shot and her reason why she was smiling. I'm beginning to think that she really does believe that by her positive thinking and pretending to have a sweet disposition she is going to get acquittted of this crime.

I have figured out one of her sister's name (not sure how many siblings she has, so far I know that she has two. I'm assuming this person I found is older than her, though her MS and FB page are set to private so I'm not entirely sure. I will now try and do some sleuthing to see if I can find anything on the internet where she commented about the sorrow for Travis' family and for their own loss.

I realize what S. Alexander says is hearsay and inadmissable in court, though it gave me an idea of what Travis' family and friends thought of him and of Jodi.

 

[Chanler]

The other thing that is eerie (for me anyway) is her mug shot and her reason why she was smiling. I'm beginning to think that she really does believe that by her positive thinking and pretending to have a sweet disposition she is going to get acquittted of this crime.

I have figured out one of her sister's name (not sure how many siblings she has, so far I know that she has two. I'm assuming this person I found is older than her, though her MS and FB page are set to private so I'm not entirely sure. I will now try and do some sleuthing to see if I can find anything on the internet where she commented about the sorrow for Travis' family and for their own loss.

I realize what S. Alexander says is hearsay and inadmissable in court, though it gave me an idea of what Travis' family and friends thought of him and of Jodi.

Hi, nobodyzgirl. I have an even more radical view: I don't think that Jodi is pretending to have a sweet disposition to get acquitted. I think that she has successfully repressed any self-doubts and she's just moving on with her weird mental life, wanting to share her strange positivity with anyone who will listen. Preferring the death penalty is just another public statement of our transcendence.

I agree that Travis' brother's comments are valuable.

From what I can conclude, Travis and Jodi had an intense, complicated, sometimes long distance, two-way "open," relationship, with jealousy and button-pushing both ways. Both were in prime hot hormonal dating years; both attractive and both in occupations that put them "out front" in public situations: charismatic pitchman and probably flirtatious bartender. From the quality of writing in the excerpt from Travis' manuscript book, one gathers that Jodi probably had the better education; Travis, the more compelling human story. They both had something to offer the other.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:FK51FZ_E-EwJ:www.travisalexander.net/2008/05/05/introduction-to-raising-you/+%22travis+alexander%22+meth&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

In his last blog entry, dated in mid-May, Travis fixates candidly, if a bit self-righteously, on marriage and his tardy attention towards it. You can see the issue coming to a head. A few other things attracted my attention: He didn't include Jodi among his links; all of those on the list are buoyant young Mormons, several of them married. He describes himself, among other things, as "a owner of clothing company (CAFGSS) that promotes modesty amongst the ladies," an enterprise at a distinct distance from the photos and videos that he and Jodi shared. He does mention The Law of Attraction that The Secret made famous again and old self-help mentor Napoleon Hill, but he seems much less immersed in the New Age scene than Jodi.

http://travisalexander.blogspot.com/

 

[Boyz_Mum]

I don't want you all to think I am negative towards Travis, but it seems that both he and Jodi wanted to talk the talk, but not walk the walk? (IMO)

Of course I don't feel that Travis deserved what happened to him. He, nor anyone else deserved/deserves this type of death.

 

[Knox]

I don't want you all to think I am negative towards Travis, but it seems that both he and Jodi wanted to talk the talk, but not walk the walk? (IMO)

Of course I don't feel that Travis deserved what happened to him. He, nor anyone else deserved/deserves this type of death.

I see what you are saying, not walking the walk. I think this is true with Jodi ... After reading and listening to many views and her actions, I think she was truly obsessed with Travis and would have done anything to be with him. I wonder how she felt after reading the "I want to marry a Gold-Digger" post? I wish we had more details on timing of the alleged tire slashing/journal theft. After reading that post was it suddenly clear that she would never be his wife? Like others have mentioned, I wish we knew more about her previous relationships to see if this was a pattern.

As for Travis' he was a bit full of himself and a somewhat of a player as far as Jodi was concerned, but after reading about his childhood perhaps we can imagine how that larger than life exterior bravado came about. He obviously had a few scars, which led him to to begin writing his book. I think he wanted to share his childhood experience to show that people can rise above and be successful, probably somewhat cathartic as well. Although he had the relationship with Jodi which collided with his religious morals, I think he was a young man who did know God. He was clearly conflicted at that point in his life, but had strong support from family and friends. I believe given the chance to live longer, he would have sorted it out.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Knox, I didn't mean to be condescending toward Travis, as far as his "walking the walk", I only meant it in meaning that Jodi was considered as "not marriage material", but she was good enough to have on the side.

I don't explain myself very well, I guess I just feel that neither of these kids were "walking the walk" as far as their religion was concerned.

 

[Knox]

Knox, I didn't mean to be condescending toward Travis, as far as his "walking the walk", I only meant it in meaning that Jodi was considered as "not marriage material", but she was good enough to have on the side.

I don't explain myself very well, I guess I just feel that neither of these kids were "walking the walk" as far as their religion was concerned.

I think you express yourself beautifully Boyz_Mum :blowkiss:
I did not take your post that way at all, just me expressing my POV. I agree he may not have been "walking the walk" at that point in time, but do think as I said, he knew God and would have righted his wrong, moo

 

[Boyz_Mum]

I think you express yourself beautifully Boyz_Mum :blowkiss:
I did not take your post that way at all, just me expressing my POV. I agree he may not have been "walking the walk" at that point in time, but do think as I said, he knew God and would have righted his wrong, moo

Thanks Knox- I don't want to be all pious (I think that's the right word?).

Travis may have been in the process of "righting himself" before Jodi (IMO) took care of that. As far back as "Adam and Eve", people have been tempted by the "forbidden fruit".

 

[nobodyzgirl]

I've been doing some searching regarding the change of counsel motion, and since I'm not all that clear on the US law and legal definitions, I have asked a lawyer that used to work with, that does have US experience and have been informed that "pro per motion to change counsel" actually means that she wants to defend herself without a lawyer. He said the term is usually "pro se" though he believes they are one in the same. OMG - she wants to defend herself in a court of law without a lawyer on these charges with a DP hanging over her head...is she crazy!?! The only other person I recall wanting to do that with a DP hanging on their head was Ted Bundy...and we all know how well that ended for him. Hmmm, now that I recall her comment about getting the DP instead of spending her life in jail, makes way more sense to me. Makes me think she wants to go down in history as a martyr, the "innocent girl who got DP"...man she certainly lives in a fantasy world.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

I've been doing some searching regarding the change of counsel motion, and since I'm not all that clear on the US law and legal definitions, I have asked a lawyer that used to work with, that does have US experience and have been informed that "pro per motion to change counsel" actually means that she wants to defend herself without a lawyer. He said the term is usually "pro se" though he believes they are one in the same. OMG - she wants to defend herself in a court of law without a lawyer on these charges with a DP hanging over her head...is she crazy!?! The only other person I recall wanting to do that with a DP hanging on their head was Ted Bundy...and we all know how well that ended for him. Hmmm, now that I recall her comment about getting the DP instead of spending her life in jail, makes way more sense to me. Makes me think she wants to go down in history as a martyr, the "innocent girl who got DP"...man she certainly lives in a fantasy world.

I'm not sure if she wants to go down as a martyr- I honestly think this girl is convinced that she and Travis will be together in the "afterlife".

Do you think that she will be give the death penalty? I'm wondering if the judge, jury and all will be prone to give her life w/o parole, because she appears rather mentally unstable. I couldn't imagine being on the jury in this case- I'd want to make sure she was put away, but would not want to see her get the death penalty as it almost seems like it would be a reward for her.

Such an odd girl. (IMO) I've seen a couple cases where people have chosen to be their own lawyer, it seems to be men who do this more than women (I'm not sure what the actual stats are). I don't know why Jodi would want to be her own counsel- it seems like a foolish move on her part.

 

[nobodyzgirl]

I'm not sure if she wants to go down as a martyr- I honestly think this girl is convinced that she and Travis will be together in the "afterlife".

Do you think that she will be give the death penalty? I'm wondering if the judge, jury and all will be prone to give her life w/o parole, because she appears rather mentally unstable. I couldn't imagine being on the jury in this case- I'd want to make sure she was put away, but would not want to see her get the death penalty as it almost seems like it would be a reward for her.

Such an odd girl. (IMO) I've seen a couple cases where people have chosen to be their own lawyer, it seems to be men who do this more than women (I'm not sure what the actual stats are). I don't know why Jodi would want to be her own counsel- it seems like a foolish move on her part.

I think she's trying to convince herself (though positive thinking) that she's going to spend eternity with Travis that's for sure. It seems like a foolish move to people like us, who are rational and sane, though I really think it's part of her "act". I don't actually believe she is mentally unstable, it seems like a "fatal attraction" kind of thing where she is concerned, and if she couldn't have Travis then no one could.

I hope they don't give her the DP, because it seems to be what she wants, and I really think that the best sentence for her is to sit in a jail cell for the rest of her life. If I was on the jury (which I can't be since I'm Canadian! LOL), she seems to want the DP, so the better punishment would be life without parole. I'm not sure how often the DP happens in AZ (especially for women).

I think my fascination with this case, is trying to figure out what makes Jodi tick, though I'll likely never find out.