Trayvon's injuries, per the leaked autopsy report

[Aedrys]

ITA. I've got "abrasions" on my hands where my cat scratched me, and another scratch on my knee that I have no idea how I got, and a little spot on my thumb where I pulled off a hangnail, but I would never refer to these as "injuries."

Shoot, I get bruises all of the time that I don't know how I got them. I bruise easily and I'm clumsy. I've never been in a fight and I've had much larger injuries than Trayvon. I find it hard to believe he fought a bouncer with a gun and all he got, besides the gunshot, is a teeny, tiny bruise. That just doesn't make any sense to me. A bouncer should know how to fight, not be a coward.

 

[beach]

Come on you guys. Drop the semantics game re: the definition of an injury.

Tomato - Tomahto and all that.

Let it go.

 

[Isabelle]

How will anyone know when the injuries to Trayvon's knuckle/s occurred? None of my injuries have dates on them!

 

[ynotdivein]

Soooo... *coff coff meaningful coff*

About Trayvon's injuries...?

 

[Just K]

Hopefully a good ME can tell if it was old or brand new. I'm sure they photographed the small cut and measured it's depth, length and width. At least I hope they did.

 

[Karmady]

I'm stymied here. Trayvon had a quarter inch scratch on his finger. And the significance of that is....what? (Just using your post as a jumping off point.)

That he certainly didn't TAKE a beating and potentially gave one. Until now, many have had George giving the beating and waiting (or not lol) to see the autopsy to verify it . Now we know that George has injuries consistent with receiving a beating (however you want to characterize the severity of it) and Trayvon clearly not having received one. Which is, also, totally consistent with George's story and John's account -- maybe others, and is not inconsistent with any of them.

 

[jjenny]

How do you beat someone up within an inch of permanent paralysis and yet have no injuries to your hands except a teeny tiny scratch not even directly on a knuckle?

I mean earlier the "injuries" to TM's hands proved that he beat GZ up, except now we know that the "injuries" consisted of exactly one 1/4 inch long abrasion, and that too proves he beat GZ up?

Does not compute to me.

There are not other injuries on TM (except the bullet wound). Which suggests he was never even hit. But there are injuries on Zimmerman, even if they are not "within an inch of his life." Which supports the idea Zimmerman was the one on the bottom getting beat up-as witnessed by "John."

 

[IzzyBlanche]

That he certainly didn't TAKE a beating and potentially gave one. Until now, many have had George giving the beating and waiting (or not lol) to see the autopsy to verify it . Now we know that George has injuries consistent with receiving a beating (however you want to characterize the severity of it) and Trayvon clearly not having received one. Which is, also, totally consistent with George's story and John's account -- maybe others, and is not inconsistent with any of them.

BBM for focus

I realize I am repeating myself but ... and we also now know that TM does not have injuries consistent with administering a beating.

IMO of course.

 

[Karmady]

BBM for focus

I realize I am repeating myself but ... and we also now know that TM does not have injuries consistent with administering a beating.

IMO of course.

Well, unless they were giving each other piggy back rides while they were struggling on the ground for a nearly a minute and John mistook those piggy back rides for a beating, someone was getting their clock cleaned and, clearly from the autopsy, it was NOT Trayvon. That doesn't leave very many options.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I wouldn't say that an injury to a knuckle is inconsistent. If you didn't know that two people were George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin, and you found out one had an injury to a knuckle whereas the other had injuries to his face and back of head, which one would you think was on the ground being beat up?

AFAIK there was no injury to a knuckle.

Again, BBM:

The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.

Link: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...e-autopsy-shows?chromedomain=openchannel&lite

 

[Just K]

Either I'm losing my mind or...:what:

GZ's leaked medical records show that he had significant marks on him, yet TM's leaked autopsy report shows that somehow TM was able to inflict those significant marks without leaving a single significant mark on himself, only one tiny abrasion not even on a knuckle with which he, according to GZ, had to have used in the nose punching.

So--if one believes that GZ's broken nose and black eyes were caused by TM's beating of him, one must also believe that TM was able to inflict such serious injuries without suffering any injuries of his own except that one little abrasion.

It's just that simple to me.

I don't find it logical myself.

I want to know if TM had GZ's nose blood (with nasal fluids) on his hands or anywhere on him.

 

[AngelWings444]

What injuries to Trayvon's knuckles?

"The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle."

BBM

Link: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...e-autopsy-shows?chromedomain=openchannel&lite

Doesn't seem like Trayvon could have sustained the small "abrasion" to his knuckle from fighting. An abrasion is a scrape. You do not get a scrape from a fight. Maybe a swollen/broke/cut hand or knuckle, but not an abrasion.

I get a fresh abrasion in that very spot from grating cheese, almost ever time I do it. :blushing:

In regards to the "alleged" black eyes, maybe his eyes were dark because he was exhausted. Up all night at the station, and frantically packing up.

Just throwing some "stuff" against the wall. :moo:

 

[Yoda]

"However, Crump said Martin had cuts to knuckles, saying, Martin got those injuries fighting for his life". Crump knew about injuries/abrasions/cuts to TM's hands. He wouldn't just be finding out would he?


http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/records-detail-george-zimmermans-medical-injuries/nN7Dh/

 

[vlpate]

Michael Isikof is the originator of the latest autopsy leak. He's been a well respected investigative journalist for many years, but something is just not right, IMO. I did a quick search and found this article ON the Crump and Park website. After reading the article, I wonder if his words are carefully parsed, as regards the autopsy information, without ever seeing these reports. I can't help but wonder why he is the only reporter with such detailed information on the size and location of the one abrasion on TM's finger.

Michael Isikof explains racial profiling investigation
"The call sheets show that five of seven phone calls Zimmerman had made since last August involved what he viewed as suspicious activity by young men identified as “black males.” But the call sheets do not indicate whether Zimmerman was asked about the race of the suspects or volunteered that information."

Of course the dispatchers asked, "black, white, or hispanic", it's SOP, always. Parsing? Maybe this case has made me too cynical.

 

[LambChop]

Wasn't the injury to TM's left hand????

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Wasn't the injury to TM's left hand????

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ed-from-intermediate-range-autopsy-shows?lite

Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.

The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.

I wonder if Trayvon was left handed.

wm

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Can someone set me straight on where is 'below the knuckle'? Would that be closer to the fingernail or the hand? TIA

wm

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Can someone set me straight on where is 'below the knuckle'? Would that be closer to the fingernail or the hand? TIA

wm

I was thinking it would be closer to the hand.

 

[LambChop]

Can someone set me straight on where is 'below the knuckle'? Would that be closer to the fingernail or the hand? TIA

wm

I'm thinking closer to the fingernail would be considered below. Above would be closer to the hand. But that is just me. lol

 

[LambChop]

I was thinking it would be closer to the hand.

If you consider that the fingernail portion is at the end of your finger below the knuckle could mean closer to the fingernail. But that is the way I would see it. jmo