Trayvon's injuries, per the leaked autopsy report

[waltzingmatilda]

Kimberly and Lambchop, Now I am more confooosed than ever, LOL!

wm

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If you consider that the fingernail portion is at the end of your finger below the knuckle could mean closer to the fingernail. But that is the way I would see it. jmo

I was thinking, when you look at your hand, the fingernail is at the tip (top). So below the knuckle would be closer to the hand.

Lol

Maybe someone who knows can help us out.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Kimberly and Lambchop, Now I am more confooosed than ever, LOL!

wm

I know. I'm sorry.
:crazy:

 

[LambChop]

Kimberly and Lambchop, Now I am more confooosed than ever, LOL!

wm

Think of it this way. You hand ends at your fingers. Your finger end at your fingernail. So for an ME to say below the knuckle it seem logical it would be closer to the fingernail. But as I said, that is just how I would read it, logically speaking that is. Unless the ME follows a whole set of different rules. lol

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I was thinking, when you look at your hand, the fingernail is at the tip (top). So below the knuckle would be closer to the hand.

Lol

Maybe someone who knows can help us out.

I think it has to do with the anatomical position used in medical.

Everything is down from the shoulder.

 

[LambChop]

I know. I'm sorry.
:crazy:

I know, too. Confusing isn't it? Because if YOU are looking down at your hand and describing a wound you might say it is under the knuckle because that is the way you see it. lol So I guess it's however the ME is looking at the wound. jmo

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Anatomical Position.

http://home.comcast.net/~wnor/terminologyanatposition.htm

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I know. I'm sorry.
:crazy:

No worries! I am having a good chuckle about 'below the knuckle'!:floorlaugh:

I REALLY don't know. If my hands are by my side while walking then it would be towards the fingertips but if I put on a ring, I hold my hand up and push it below the knuckle.

I guess we will find out once the autopsy report is released. The location of the knuckle wound should help connect the dots. JMO, but if the wound is more toward the hand then that supports Trayvon punching GZ, while if more towards the fingertips then that indicates a defensive wound because that is an awkward way to punch someone and cause a broken nose.

MOO

wm

 

[Dr.Fessel]

All medical reports are written as if the person is standing up with their arms down to their sides with the palms out.

If they say the cut is below the knuckle that means it is closer to the ground which would be closer to the fingertip.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Ok, so below which knuckle?
Doesn't each finger have 3?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Ok, so below which knuckle?
Doesn't each finger have 3?

Now you go and get technical.:floorlaugh:

Good questions. I look forward to the autopsy report being released. Although I dislike reading them, it will cllear up alot of our questions.

wm

Thanks Dr. Fessel for the info about autopsy procedure.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Duh!!! I need more coffee...my bad.

I assumed the knuckle injury was on the outside of the hand, if one was making a fist, but it could have been 'below the knuckle' on the inside/palm of the hand.

wm

 

[cityslick]

Duh!!! I need more coffee...my bad.

I assumed the knuckle injury was on the outside of the hand, if one was making a fist, but it could have been 'below the knuckle' on the inside/palm of the hand.

wm

For some reason I assumed the injury was beside the knuckle, kind of between two knuckles in that 'valley' on the hand.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Duh!!! I need more coffee...my bad.

I assumed the knuckle injury was on the outside of the hand, if one was making a fist, but it could have been 'below the knuckle' on the inside/palm of the hand.

wm

Back of the hand (dorsal)

knuck·le
(nkl)
n.
1.
a. The prominence of the dorsal aspect of a joint of a finger, especially of one of the joints connecting the fingers to the hand.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/knuckle

 

[HiHater]

For some reason I assumed the injury was beside the knuckle, kind of between two knuckles in that 'valley' on the hand.

Why would that be described as "below" the knuckle then?

 

[cityslick]

Why would that be described as "below" the knuckle then?

I dunno, it's technically lower than the knuckle. If it was on the underside I would assume a reference to the palm or underside of the hand would of been used.

 

[cityslick]

1. Do we know that he went to the doctor the next morning? I personally have a hard time getting in to see my doctor first thing in the morning. Usually they already have appointments booked. Maybe it was the afternoon.

Date on the doctor's report?

2. Do you have a source confirming his injuries were photoraphed and documented before he left the police station?

This link mentions a photo taken that night of GZ's face

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47453164/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/#.T7UIKcWujTo


3. Logic is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. For example. I think it's totally illogical that Trayvon would have doubled back and jumped someone he told his girlfriend was making him scared.

Answers in red

 

[jjenny]

1. Do we know that he went to the doctor the next morning? I personally have a hard time getting in to see my doctor first thing in the morning. Usually they already have appointments booked. Maybe it was the afternoon.

2. Do you have a source confirming his injuries were photoraphed and documented before he left the police station?

3. Logic is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. For example. I think it's totally illogical that Trayvon would have doubled back and jumped someone he told his girlfriend was making him scared.

Not all doctors even have appointments. With some doctors, people just show up and wait in line.
According to NYT, Zimmerman's face was photographed on the scene showing a bloody nose. We also have a photo of the back of his head, taken by somebody, showing bleeding from the two cuts that he sustained on the back of his head.
I have no idea why that would be illogical. People have different ways of dealing with being scared.

 

[Isabelle]

Answers in red

Is the photo taken the one that only shows the back of GZ's head or are there frontal photos also, since that is where the majority of injuries are located?

 

[Isabelle]

I thought I was on the wrong thread. This is the 'Trayvon Martin injuries' thread?

So Trayvon had a few scrapes to knuckle/s left hand and a bullet wound to his chest? Is that all?