Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

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  • #341
I don't believe Travis used Jodi for sex. I believe he told her numerous times that the relationship was over, that he was seeing other women, that she should move on, that he was taking another woman to Cancun.

I think Jodi depended on one weapon to snare a man. She offered little else and in fact glommed on and adopted characteristics of the person she was targeting. She used sex to get a guy.

Now it comes out that the sex tape recording happened very close to the time that Travis was killed. That makes sense. If this conversation has Travis telling Jodi it's over, they will both marry other people and he doesn't want to see her anymore what does Jodi do to try to keep him on the hook (phone and otherwise)? Start some sex talk.

Did that enrage Jodi? Now she wasn't even good enough for real sex? She was reduced to phone sex?

Jodi has admitted in interviews that the relationship had become purely sexual, that Travis and her were no longer in a romantic relationship. Jodi said those things but I don't think she really accepted it.


Good point - and I agree with you - and you just defined what constitutes being used for sex.

Jodi stalked him. Jodi pursued him like a dog in heat and Jodi used sex to lure him. But she didn't rape him. He didnt have to have sex with her. But he did. And he did even after he told her it was over and there was no future for them. But he kept using her for sex. And just as you say - I don't think in her mind it was ever really over. But outside of his weakness in the area of sex which is common with younger males, its obvious Travis was a brilliant, loving wonderful person who didn't deserve to die.

Now - regarding the phone call - I surmised it might be near the time of the murder. How did this information come out?

I dont think that call was random - I think it was planned and planted as evidence just like her diary entries. I wouldn't be surprised if the timing was right around when she first started calling DB about the gas cans. I think the phone sex call was premeditated evidence collecting.
 
  • #342
Respectfully snipped from CarolinaMoon's Post # 274

The only material from a 1000+ page report was the listing of the 4 Amish use to back up Jodi's story.

Can someone just refresh my memory??

Thanks!!

First thing in the morning posts are my most pithy, having had all night to sleep on it, but the worst for getting facts out!

It was pointed out by Martinez that the entire report was for Travis' computer was over 1000 pages long and the report he submitted for evidence was 3 or so pages.

Willmott only included the listing of sites (YouTube/Gmail) which were posted in the 4 AM period of June 4, 2008, in the early morning of the day Travis was killed.

These entries would back up Jodi's story that she arrived at Travis' house around 4 AM that day and Travis was on the computer.

Oh, and I do mean "story" there. IMHO, it's entirely possible Travis was upstairs asleep at the time and Jodi accessed his computer.
 
  • #343
Dworkin testified that a laptop he examined, recovered from Alexander's home, was in use between 4:08 am and 4:35 am on June 4, 2008. He identified several websites/URLs accessed using the profile name "Deanna Reid." Deanna Reid is the name of an ex-girlfriend of Travis Alexander.

Never mind, Beth answered!
 
  • #344
All this time I have hoped JA would take the stand....I really don't think I want her to now....it is too dangerous that one juror might fall for her lies.....I also don't think I could stand to hear her trash the victim.
 
  • #345
O/T, but the lawyer in the shootings that occurred yesterday here in Phoenix just passed away. They found the shooter dead in Mesa of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

:( so sad
 
  • #346
All this time I have hoped JA would take the stand....I really don't think I want her to now....it is too dangerous that one juror might fall for her lies.....I also don't think I could stand to hear her trash the victim.

Good point. I guess I just relish the thought of seeing Juan Martinez get his claws out on her.
 
  • #347
Just jumping off your post here ...

I noticed that Tanisha looked really good yesterday; a bit soften, less exhausted, stronger and more vibrant some how. I have no idea what this means or why I noticed. :)

Regarding "moving past" the anger, I think that's a very unfair comment to make about Travis' sister. I represent a lot of domestic violence victims -- women and men -- and while I'm no psychology expert, I can say from my experience with these victims that the ones who most successfully transcend their anger and fear are the ones who are able to see some amount of justice done. Theres no doubt that going through the court process can be additionally traumatizing to victims, but at the end of it when justice is done is when healing really begins. Justice seems to be a good substitute for the natural human feelings of retribution and revenge people feel when they've been victimized. IMO


Kind of O/T, but Tanisha has a beautiful head of hair. I'm jealous!
 
  • #348
First thing in the morning posts are my most pithy, having had all night to sleep on it, but the worst for getting facts out!

It was pointed out by Martinez that the entire report was for Travis' computer was over 1000 pages long and the report he submitted for evidence was 3 or so pages.

Willmott only included the listing of sites (YouTube/Gmail) which were posted in the 4 AM period of June 4, 2008, in the early morning of the day Travis was killed.

These entries would back up Jodi's story that she arrived at Travis' house around 4 AM that day and Travis was on the computer.

Oh, and I do mean "story" there. IMHO, it's entirely possible Travis was upstairs asleep at the time and Jodi accessed his computer.


Ah ha ha ha!!! My bad, I couldn't understand if there were 4 "Amish" sites on the computer...like 4 Amish 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sites, or 4 Amish clothes stores to dress JA up in....oh, I'm laughing sooo hard right now....LOL

Thanks for clearing that up!!

ETA: Or even perhaps 4 Amish ninja's from the "Amish Mafia"????
 
  • #349
Firstly, I apologize if this have been asked and answered already. Maybe I watch too many crime shows but I was wondering about the gun in this case. Have they been able to link it to Jodi's grandparents? Is is the right caliber? Has the bullet been linked to any at their house? When the gun was stolen was anything else taken? Did Jodi have access to the weapon? Was any kind of forced entry to the house when the gun was stolen?
If the gun can definitively be linked to JA then to me it shows premeditation and absolutely no self defense.

About a week before the murder, a 25 caliber was stolen from jodi's grandparent's house. This is where jodi lived and the gun was in an unlocked gun case so jodi had access.

This is the same caliber as what was used to kill Travis.

What is unusual about the supposed theft is that numerous other guns were sitting right next to the 25 caliber. In other words, there were multiple guns all in one cabinet, but ONLY the .25 was stolen.

Also, the rest of the house was not rifled through and I think only a couple of other, minor items were taken, like, supposedly, some money of jodi's and an old computer. There were no signs of forced entry, IIRC.

This made the investigator suspicious. He stated it was unheard of for a robber to select one gun and leave behind all the rest. Made no sense. So, at the time, the "robbery" was viewed as suspicious and this was before the murder.

Neither the grandparent's gun nor the gun used to kill Travis were ever found. BTW, I think .25s are not that common.

To me, common sense shows that jodi faked a burglary so she could have access to a gun and then she used that gun to kill Travis. This is a premeditated crime.

Her rental of a car to see Travis, instead of her own, a car she drove 90 miles away from home to rent, a car she insisted could not be red (a flashy car) and a car that she flipped the plates upside down on, further shows premeditation as does her dying of her hair right before and then right after the murder.

But I noticed that Willmot flashed the pictures at Juan before she approached the witness. Why didn't he object at that point? If he was going to object, then why all the theatrics, having the witness identify the photos as from the drive, etc.?

What are they talking about at sidebar and in chambers if not these pieces of evidence?

Good question. In a trial, evidence that you are trying to use, whether it is going to be admitted or not, must be shown to opposing counsel. Now he had to wait to hear how it was going to be used before he could object (JM, that is). Once he heard that, he did object.

You can't prevent the other side from playing dirty tricks, 100% of the time.

It seems that Trials have become about "winning". Blame anyone including the Victim. Defense should be defending their client and not playing dirty. This is just appalling. So very heartbreaking for Travis's Family :rose:

Amen.
 
  • #350
From what Beth K. has posted this morning it seems the computer in question came from JA's house....why on earth are they putting this out there unless it is to accuse the victim of sending her these pics.....but that has not been established and it is possible she sent them to herself from his computer right?
IMO.

\And those pics in no way add up to any kind of abuse....good Lord. IMO.

This guy isn't finished testifying for the defense and maybe they will introduce more material from Travis' computer.

It will be interesting if they don't. That will mean there weren't "🤬🤬🤬🤬" pictures on his computer, or anything else there to impeach his character. I'll be watching for this. Don't be surprised if this only comes out on cross!

I do hope we start Monday with Martinez and Willmott arguing that objection in front of everyone but the jury. There are so many arguments made behind closed doors, as Katie pointed out Beth Karas mentioned.
 
  • #351
Ah ha ha ha!!! My bad, I couldn't understand if there were 4 "Amish" sites on the computer...like 4 Amish 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sites, or 4 Amish clothes stores to dress JA up in....oh, I'm laughing sooo hard right now....LOL

Thanks for clearing that up!!

:floorlaugh: Amish 🤬🤬🤬🤬? I couldn't even imagine what that would be? A woman milking a cow with her ankle showing?
 
  • #352
Ah ha ha ha!!! My bad, I couldn't understand if there were 4 "Amish" sites on the computer...like 4 Amish 🤬🤬🤬🤬 sites, or 4 Amish clothes stores to dress JA up in....oh, I'm laughing sooo hard right now....LOL

Thanks for clearing that up!!

Thanks for asking! I was scratching my head too! Ninjas, Amish, Mormons, emus, non Navy Seals....oh my!


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  • #353
Agreed. She followed Travis when he was on dates with other women, used his phone to text these other women pretending to be Travis, and per Lisa's testimony, would call Travis when he was with Lisa like she knew they were together. She knew full well she wasn't the only one. She pursued him like a rabid dog in heat.

IMO Jodi Arias (for whatever reason) is a one trick pony. In her mind and in her life. Why I don't know but sex is the one thing she thought she could use and work to her advantage. She is pretty clever going after a group of individuals where celibacy is very important. What can they compare her to? She must have thought she hit the mother lode, it was open season. Only somewhere along the line Travis started seeing how empty Jodi Arias is behind the hair and makeup and apparently he wanted more.

What does a psycho do when her one and only 'attribute' isn't enough to win Travis. Jodi starts stalking, determined to drive off the other women in his life and when that still fails?
 
  • #354
Good point. I guess I just relish the thought of seeing Juan Martinez get his claws out on her.

Me too. JM will annihilate her on the stand. I think Jodi would show her true colors. IMO
 
  • #355
I did notice Jodi looking all around the gallery in the morning. At one point I felt as though her glance even met mine (mine was probably more a stare to be honest). She didnt seem to land on anyone in particular really. Def not making eye contact say with her mother and smiling. Just the same blank unaffected creepy affect scanning the water like a shark. One thing I did note is she has a huge freaking head. Her body looks frail but her head is humongous (to me) and disproportionate. I only really noticed that when she was standing.


:seeya: katiecoolady, THANK YOU for these updates !

I was wondering IF you may be able to answer the following:

1. What is the "scuttle" in the area, in particular, do they think the jury will find JA GUILTY -- or -- God forbid, they will let her walk ?

What seems to be the majority opinion on this ?

2. When court is finished for the day, does JA "hang around" to chat with her attorneys [like she is "one of them"], or does the deputy promptly remove her and send her back to her :jail: ?

Just curious about this because the TV cameras seem to cut off and go to the state seal when court is adjourned -- at least on the channels I am watching on the internet.

3. One more :) ... What can you tell us about the jury, their reactions, or no reactions ?


THANKS AGAIN !

:seeya:
 
  • #356
In your original post you said Travis used "women" for sex. There was only one woman he had sex with.

I still have a difference of opinion in that he "used" Jodi for sex and was treating her like a "nasty muddy doormat".

It's my opinion that Travis met Jodi and their relationship started off normal enough and at one point in the heat of the moment their intimacy went to another level and after there was no going back. The guy was thirty years old. Who can blame him. Unfortunately those actions were in conflict with his religion and from the testimony it sounds like he did what he could to move on with his life but Jodi wouldn't let him.

I was generalizing when I said women plural. We have no idea of he never had sex before, even though it's irrelevant. I highly doubt any Mormon is going to incriminate themselves and say whoohoo! I banged Travis too! Lol But for the sake of argument I agree that almost all his other actions shows that he was trying to abide by his religious beliefs, even if he did fall to temptation, which is human.

I think we are getting into semantics and off-track over the whole issue of whethe he used her for sex or not. I just was concerned that there may be impressionable gals here on this board, and based on my own experiences and overcoming those experiences through proper help, I wanted to make it clear to women out there that this kind of treatment in a relationship is "unacceptable" - and I think it is wrong to dismiss it away so quickly. I would hate for gals on the board to read this and think this kind of relationship was healthy, because it was not - on either end. It doesn't mean what he did was punishable, but the healthy thing for a woman to do when in an unhealthy relationship - as that most certainly was - is just to leave - and thats where Jodi is to blame. She acted like a sl*t and so she got treated like one. - her fault for sticking around and coming back for more - but that's where her controlling and domination factors in.
 
  • #357
IMO Jodi Arias (for whatever reason) is a one trick pony. In her mind and in her life. Why I don't know but sex is the one thing she thought she could use and work to her advantage. She is pretty clever going after a group of individuals where celibacy is very important. What can they compare her to? She must have thought she hit the mother lode, it was open season. Only somewhere along the line Travis started seeing how empty Jodi Arias is behind the hair and makeup and apparently he wanted more.

What does a psycho do when her one and only 'attribute' isn't enough to win Travis. Jodi starts stalking, determined to drive off the other women in his life and when that still fails?

I agree. I simply do not see her as being used. She drove 300 miles for these encounters before she moved to Mesa. If I am going to drive that far for sex, I obviously want it.
 
  • #358
Just jumping off your post here ...

I noticed that Tanisha looked really good yesterday; a bit soften, less exhausted, stronger and more vibrant some how. I have no idea what this means or why I noticed. :)

Regarding "moving past" the anger, I think that's a very unfair comment to make about Travis' sister. I represent a lot of domestic violence victims -- women and men -- and while I'm no psychology expert, I can say from my experience with these victims that the ones who most successfully transcend their anger and fear are the ones who are able to see some amount of justice done. Theres no doubt that going through the court process can be additionally traumatizing to victims, but at the end of it when justice is done is when healing really begins. Justice seems to be a good substitute for the natural human feelings of retribution and revenge people feel when they've been victimized. IMO

I think your observations are right on. Thank you for this post. Anger is a motivating force sometimes. It causes us to have the energy to move forward or in some cases out. It gives us the energy to pull out of unhealthy stagnant situations or relationships sometimes. It probably is at least some of what fuels that family to get in that courtroom daily.

There is also a flip side of "winning" in court. You've been fueled by that anger and "fighting" for years (twice as long for this family than mine waiting for trial). Once you "win" in court you are left with all that momentum and nowhere to put it. That's when the true healing begins because instead of a fight in front of you there is a big huge hole. In some ways it's easier to fight.

I know I'm not alone on this forum in saying I believe the hardest thing anyone ever on this Earth suffers is the loss of someone you love dearly. No matter how it happens or if its sudden or "prepared for", there is no greater pain. And closure, to us , is just a "c" word used by those who haven't had this misfortune..yet. It's just how open the wound is.

So to those of you who have lost someone but not to homicide I join you in feeling the raw sensitivity this opens in all of us. But this is also a beautiful place of connection for us humans. Pain, when shared, can be a deep opportunity for opening one's heart more deeply. Because God knows, grief will rip it wide open. Shocking as it is, it's also a way to connect which is something most everyone longs for.

On that note off to beautiful Sedona AZ for the weekend.

I'll be in court all day Monday and this time bring my iPad as now I know I can use it!! :seeya:
 
  • #359
In your original post you said Travis used "women" for sex. There was only one woman he had sex with.

I still have a difference of opinion in that he "used" Jodi for sex and was treating her like a "nasty muddy doormat".

It's my opinion that Travis met Jodi and their relationship started off normal enough and at one point in the heat of the moment their intimacy went to another level and after there was no going back. The guy was thirty years old. Who can blame him. Unfortunately those actions were in conflict with his religion and from the testimony it sounds like he did what he could to move on with his life but Jodi wouldn't let him.

ITA! Darryl confirmed that a bit for us in his cross. Ryan also did the same. Jodi seemed to have no difficulty doing her bump and grind on him on her way home from killing Travis. She has the guts and skill, and she uses it to her advantage. Notice with Ryan, it was HIS respect for her that made him stop her from doing something he THOUGHT she would regret, due to her, ahem, religious beliefs. Remember, Ryan was on his way out of the Mormon church at the time. IIRC, he mentioned on JVM or NG that he is now a Christian.
 
  • #360
Did Daniel Freeman live with Travis at that time? If so, could it of been him? on the laptop?

I think Jodi taught Travis quite a bit in a short time. We now know Jodi had several forms of intercourse with her DB, so it's not new to her. Was DB asked if they played out or talk out a sexual fansty?
I wonder if Jodi grew more perverse when Travis was losing interest? Her only hook was sex. She had nothing else to hold onto Travis, and was losing him to a virgin. Something Jodi would never be able to offer him.

In the seeds of truth, would the external drive be the cd? The camera ended up in the washing machine, could Jodi of trashed the drive?
 
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