Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[Linda7NJ]

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[popsicle]

Now that is interesting. I hadn't seen that article.

What they're saying in the article is Jodi's "computer hard drive", which was "damaged", without giving more context. This computer hard drive could be from a home desktop, a laptop or be an external portable hard drive. Without saying where it came from, we don't know squat about it.

Regarding yesterday's testimony, as far as "sent", I don't know if that was ever mentioned. If it was, I missed that part. All I got was that these last two photos were found on this hard drive, which had been damaged.

Now, was it Jodi's hard drive he was talking about? Another hard drive?

I'm as lost as anyone here. The information is too sketchy. The defense witness went into frustrating details about things such as Mozilla being a version of Firefox (which it is not) and other goofy stuff that didn't add anything. Then he didn't give us the real stuff that would put all of this hard drive information in a format that we can use. To me, he was fluff, no content.

I'm figuring Juan will bring it together for us while making this expert look like a doofus.

MOO y'all.

If I remember correctly there was only one HD that was damaged and it had to be sent out to another company. Once it was returned a mirror image was made. That HD in question belongs to JA and I believe those photos of two different men came from tht same HD, JA's.

 

[LambChop]

When she stopped at DB's she asked to use his computer to check her emails. JM asked DB that in court. So did they check out DB's computer also? jmo

 

[popsicle]

I think JA was more driven by money; sex was just a tool and well-honed skill to get the lifestyle she lusted for.

She dropped her ex, Darryl, like a hot potato when there wasn't enough money around anymore. Seems like she calculated and did everything she could to climb the social ladder within the PPL organization, where money floated freely. She did "whatever" in the car with one of those guys, the one who knew her for two hours and said he wanted to leave his wife for JA.

She even converted to Mormonism in a flash, hoping to position herself as wife material for the many well-off guys withing PPL...IMO, these things were more about instant status-seeking, and trying to land a man who could give her the high-life for free.

Another thing I wonder... Did dabbling with this new religion drive her crazy? I can see how a strict, new religion might do this -- particularly if you discover you've been living horribly, in sin. Really, all that "whoredom" ranting she anonymously emailed to Lisa described Jodi herself.

I'm not offering religion as an excuse for what JA did, but seeking a possible explanation for her crack-up.

No, I don't think she was driven by thee money. If so there were others richer than Travis. She wanted it all. Looks, age, money, class, attitude, charisma, friends, his entire lifestyle...all of it, all of Travis. imo

 

[popsicle]

When she stopped at DB's she asked to use his computer to check her emails. JM asked DB that in court. So did they check out DB's computer also? jmo

I don't know, I would hope so.

 

[Isabelle]

Excellent job and that is my take on it too. The guy also said something like that he is not used to receiving data like that which is a huge red flag to me.

The bottom line to me is that since it was a separate drive that was not proven to be physically in his laptop, there is no evidence it ever was in his laptop. It could have been a drive of Jodis even that she threw away at the house there and tried to destroy it before she left.

It is real hokey. The drive itself is not proven to be part of his laptop and the pics themselves can never be proven to be anyone imparticular. Could be from the net of random person.

Its a whole lot of nothing, nada, zero, zilch, garbage. Which is more of the same we saw all week long.

Was it ever stated where the broken hard drive was obtained and who obtained it? Chain of command? I don't recall hearing anything about it.

 

[neesaki]

Is it just me, or did DB seem to have a lot of holes in his memory?

 

[Isabelle]

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That is a crock!!

 

[manzana]

Now that is interesting. I hadn't seen that article.

What they're saying in the article is Jodi's "computer hard drive", which was "damaged", without giving more context. This computer hard drive could be from a home desktop, a laptop or be an external portable hard drive. Without saying where it came from, we don't know squat about it.

Regarding yesterday's testimony, as far as "sent", I don't know if that was ever mentioned. If it was, I missed that part. All I got was that these last two photos were found on this hard drive, which had been damaged.

Now, was it Jodi's hard drive he was talking about? Another hard drive?

I'm as lost as anyone here. The information is too sketchy. The defense witness went into frustrating details about things such as Mozilla being a version of Firefox (which it is not) and other goofy stuff that didn't add anything. Then he didn't give us the real stuff that would put all of this hard drive information in a format that we can use. To me, he was fluff, no content.

I'm figuring Juan will bring it together for us while making this expert look like a doofus.

MOO y'all.

Well to try to bring it into context, at least how I am understanding it, the second internal hard drive from yesterday belonged to Jodi

As for anything found on either of these drives it is vitally important for that info to come from weeks building up to his death, if we are looking at files of that day, there is always going to be Jodi sent it to herself...that will probably always be there too but maybe if they can come up with exchanges between the two when Travis was in his home and Jodi was known to be somewhere else at said time

 

[mck16]

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Probably a friend or family member running the bid up. jmo

 

[Wishbone]

I don’t have much to base this on, but IMO, it’s possible that TA came on really strong in the beginning of the relationship and JA believed their relationship was going to become permanent. He had so much to offer her that there wasn’t anything she wouldn’t do to catch him. Thinking that, she did her best to please him and become everything he could possibly want in a good Mormon wife. That being said, when he decided that she wasn’t marriage material she still continued to want more and used all her wiles to catch him while pretending the sexual relationship was ok. It’s my belief that she built up so many resentments against him, especially when he openly courted other women, that she finally made a last ditch effort and when that failed she had more in store for him than he expected. I believe this was a last ditch effort, a planned anger killing ready to be implemented if he didn’t commit to her.

 

[txbluesman]

If I remember correctly there was only one HD that was damaged and it had to be sent out to another company. Once it was returned a mirror image was made. That HD in question belongs to JA and I believe those photos of two different men came from tht same HD, JA's.

Sorry Popsicle, I didn't have the link handy that I was referring to. It is from an article that was written last year which may, or may not, help with discussing yesterday's developments.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/09/07/jodi-arias-attorneys-worried-about-their-clients-lack-remorse

But, I think we're not supposed to discuss that link maybe? Dunno. If it needs to be taken down, then somebody can remove it. I'm still sorta new here.

 

[newsjunkie]

I've often thought to myself, "Why didn't he just end it with her?" After hearing some of the comments here, I think she most definitely was blackmailing him. Every time he tried to end it, IMO she would remind him of all the people she could tell about their "dirty little secret".

I think he started treating her badly in an effort to get her to want to end it. I do not excuse his behavior, but can understand why he might have felt pushed into a corner.

And it goes without saying that at his worst he didn't deserve to be murdered.

 

[jevipo74]

Probably a friend or family member running the bid up. jmo

I'm hoping it's a conscientious person planning a huge bonfire.

 

[HarvestMoon]

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Quite a return on their investment.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

I couldn't agree more.

I've thought about the supposed sex tape too. I think she had reached a high level of desperation. She left a boyfriend whom she had no more use for since the bank account had dried up. She met a new world of men in PPL and thought she hit the jackpot with Travis being an executive director. She converted to Mormonism and morphed herself into his world. Where were her friends and family? Nowhere.

She continued to morph herself into the "good Mormon" on the outside so that she fit in with Travis' friends such as the Freemans. Even after Travis and Jodi broke up the "final time" she went sniveling to the Freeman's.

When using sex to get into Travis' bed again no longer worked she concocted her plan. Maybe that plan at first was to use the sex tape and photos to blackmail Travis into going back to her. We will never know. What we do know is that the plan became to act out anger and possibly revenge on a man who did nothing more than sleep with the devil.

'sleep with the devil' that nailed it right there.

Agree we may never know why she didn't carry out the blackmail angle. Maybe she realized blackmail might get her some money but it wouldn't get her married. But her leap to the her next step and the brutality of the killing shows the monster she is.

 

[gitana1]

I know, it's just what he said. I assumed he meant he wasn't a Mormon anymore. Thanks for the clarification.

I'm not doing very well today! Look what I did by omitting a hyphen!

AM-ish! :floorlaugh:

Why do I keep thinking it's Saturday???

Ha ha!!! Well, you're doing better than me. It's my birthday but I have to go in for dental work!!!!!

In saying TA used Jodi for sex, I'm *not* saying Jodi didn't also use TA as well. That's my point the relationship based solely on sex is unhealthy because in the end someone is bound to get hurt. I think it is being misconstrued that making TA out to look like he's the only one to blame for this unhealthy relationship and I'm not. But no mistaking it takes TWO to create an unhealthy relationship. So Travis made it clear that he didn't want to date her and he didn't want his friends to know he was even spending time with her. But he was having sex with her. Um....so what WAS her purpose for being there then (under cover I might add) other than for sex??? It's called being used for sex and Jodi used him for sex AND domination and control issues as well.

But I am content to agree on our different takes on that. I realize that by calling a spade a spade it appears aggegious to the deceased and I am not trying to trash a good man. I was more interested in letting other women out there know what NOT to accept as "acceptable" in a relationship, according to the professionals.

The thing I keep focusing on is that you can't use a sociopath. They have no emotions that allow them to be used. They are ALWAYS the abuser and never the victim.

It is clear from testimony and out of court statements from his friends that Travis, while he enjoyed the sex, was not the pursuer and felt very ambivalent about it. In fact, his dildo comment indicates HE felt used in the "relationship." How is accepting sex from someone who is of age and not intellectually disabled, etc., who is thrusting it you, "using"?

Travis accepted sex from an ex who kept offering it to him despite his clear statements that he was not going to commit to her. If she kept offering it to him despite his statements, how was he using her? Perhaps he felt she just liked it. Perhaps he knew she was trying to use him with it but by accepting it, he was just allowing her to play her game. He wasn't playing her back.

The definition of a user is a person who is: "An exploiter, an abusive user (a person who uses something or someone unfairly, selfishly and/or unethically)." http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user

Travis was not exploiting jodi by accepting sex from her. He was being stupid, but not abusive. She was the one exploiting Travis. Because ultimately, IMO, it was not about sexual enjoyment for her. It was a tool she used to ensnare her prey.

Sociopaths, as I stated before, do not really enjoy sex like most people do. They use it as just another tool in their bag of manipulative tricks:

11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR -- a variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.http://sociopathicstyle.com/traits/classic.htm

15. Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated Invariably there are peculiarities in the sociopath's sex life. As in other areas, it only takes the slightest impulse for them to engage in deviant sexual behavior. There is little repugnance or other inhibitions to stop them from trying out different things.
Remember that they cannot love, so sexual aims don't seem to include any important personality relations or any great desire to share an intimate experience. Sex is limited to literal physical contact with none of the emotional aspects that make adult love relations so thrilling and indescribable.
One of the sociopath traits in the group Hervey Cleckley's studied was that they never seemed to find anything emotionally meaningful or personal in the relationships, there were simply localized and temporary sensations.
He believes their sexual promiscuity is probably due to a lack of self restraint rather than to any strong passions or drives.
It's very likely nowadays that many psychopaths have realized intimate sexual contact is a great way to control others. Once a person has given up their intimacy, they have surrendered everything. http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/sociopath-traits.html

Also, here's a scholarly article titled, "Coercive and Precocious Sexuality as a Fundamental Aspect of Psychopathy" http://psycserver.psyc.queensu.ca/q...y/Harrisetal2007JPD-PsychopathicSexuality.pdf

I know some disagree that jodi is a sociopath. And I'm no psychologist but i have studied sociopaths and psychopaths and I have to deal with diagnosed sociopaths in my job so I am very familiar with them. Based on her obvious premeditation of this crime, the day of sex play before the murder when Travis was naked and vulnerable, the fact that she went and dry-humped another guy the very next day after she created carnage in Travis' bathroom, her remorseless, cold and chilling behavior in the police interviews and t.v. interviews, the way Travis' friends described her as superficially charming but "off", her extreme use of sex with men, her constant questions trying to figure out what in her behavior gave her away and her attempts to figure out how a normal person would act if not guilty, in such a situation so that she could adapt her behavior, etc., ("Is it because I;m not crying? [What gave it away?] Just tell me. It's not that I;m going to try to change my behavior or anything.") (Yeah, right), all of that tells me she is either sociopathic, psychopathic or at the least, ASPD.

 

[nursebeeme]

Probably a friend or family member running the bid up. jmo

I was going to say Gus

 

[txbluesman]

Was it ever stated where the broken hard drive was obtained and who obtained it? Chain of command? I don't recall hearing anything about it.

As far as I could tell, no. That is what I'm hoping Juan will clear up for us. Meanwhile, we're chasing our tails. :banghead:

 

[popsicle]

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That is but another good reason for this trial to hurry up and come to a finish imo.