Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

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You think she is histrionic? Interesting. I really can't wait for the penalty pahseof this trial (once she is found guilty). Was denied Casey's and am very curious about her psychology. Fascinating and terrifying stuff.

I agree...I really am fascinated by the psychology behind so many of these horrific crimes. You summed it up so well...fascinating and terrifying. I'd love to interview so many of these really, really warped humans (that don't act as "normal" humans). I'd love to ask the why's and the "what were you thinking at the time" questions.

Oh, in addition to the warped family members (ala the Anthony family).

JMO and MOO
 
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Oh I'll bet business is booming. Between curiosity and the "murderabilia" collectors taking their sick roadtrips I would imagine JA is great for business. Yuck. On one of the HLN shows last night, JA's high school art teacher said he recently went to the diner to purchase a gift certificate and "saw the family". I'm sure lots of people are "running into" the Arias' there and just happen to ask about JA. Yeah, right.

I guess there is no better way to rake in the dough than have a daughter that is a defendant in a capitol murder case. :what:
 
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cindy anthony was in court and was a witness???

Yep. Cindy and George were there everyday, heard every word and Cindy made copious notes. :furious:
 
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I agree...I really am fascinated by the psychology behind so many of these horrific crimes. You summed it up so well...fascinating and terrifying. I'd love to interview so many of these really, really warped humans (that don't act as "normal" humans). I'd love to ask the why's and the "what were you thinking at the time" questions.

Oh, in addition to the warped family members (ala the Anthony family).

JMO and MOO

Candace DeLong does this on her show
 
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With all of JA's "art" being sold on ebay I just had a thought. I am wondering if Daddy O's Diner in Yreka is now doing a booming business since the trial started?!! I am sure there are alot of curiosity seekers stopping there since it is run by JA's family. Also, wonder if media has been there trying to get a "scoop".

I thought the same thing. The reviews of it are mixed on Yelp. Google is your friend.
 
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Ha ha!!! Well, you're doing better than me. It's my birthday but I have to go in for dental work!!!!!



The thing I keep focusing on is that you can't use a sociopath. They have no emotions that allow them to be used. They are ALWAYS the abuser and never the victim.

It is clear from testimony and out of court statements from his friends that Travis, while he enjoyed the sex, was not the pursuer and felt very ambivalent about it. In fact, his dildo comment indicates HE felt used in the "relationship." How is accepting sex from someone who is of age and not intellectually disabled, etc., who is thrusting it you, "using"?

Travis accepted sex from an ex who kept offering it to him despite his clear statements that he was not going to commit to her. If she kept offering it to him despite his statements, how was he using her? Perhaps he felt she just liked it. Perhaps he knew she was trying to use him with it but by accepting it, he was just allowing her to play her game. He wasn't playing her back.

The definition of a user is a person who is: "An exploiter, an abusive user (a person who uses something or someone unfairly, selfishly and/or unethically)." http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/user

Travis was not exploiting jodi by accepting sex from her. He was being stupid, but not abusive. She was the one exploiting Travis. Because ultimately, IMO, it was not about sexual enjoyment for her. It was a tool she used to ensnare her prey.

Sociopaths, as I stated before, do not really enjoy sex like most people do. They use it as just another tool in their bag of manipulative tricks:


Also, here's a scholarly article titled, "Coercive and Precocious Sexuality as a Fundamental Aspect of Psychopathy" http://psycserver.psyc.queensu.ca/q...y/Harrisetal2007JPD-PsychopathicSexuality.pdf

I know some disagree that jodi is a sociopath. And I'm no psychologist but i have studied sociopaths and psychopaths and I have to deal with diagnosed sociopaths in my job so I am very familiar with them. Based on her obvious premeditation of this crime, the day of sex play before the murder when Travis was naked and vulnerable, the fact that she went and dry-humped another guy the very next day after she created carnage in Travis' bathroom, her remorseless, cold and chilling behavior in the police interviews and t.v. interviews, the way Travis' friends described her as superficially charming but "off", her extreme use of sex with men, her constant questions trying to figure out what in her behavior gave her away and her attempts to figure out how a normal person would act if not guilty, in such a situation so that she could adapt her behavior, etc., ("Is it because I;m not crying? [What gave it away?] Just tell me. It's not that I;m going to try to change my behavior or anything.") (Yeah, right), all of that tells me she is either sociopathic, psychopathic or at the least, ASPD.

:bdsong::bdsong::bdsong::bdsong::bdsong: gitana1

Thank You for all your posts. You always make sense to me. I agree with everything you said in this post, and hope you will continue to share your knowledge about sociopaths in the straight-talk way you do.

Have a lovely birthday once you get out of the dentist chair!
 
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I agree...I really am fascinated by the psychology behind so many of these horrific crimes. You summed it up so well...fascinating and terrifying. I'd love to interview so many of these really, really warped humans (that don't act as "normal" humans). I'd love to ask the why's and the "what were you thinking at the time" questions.

Oh, in addition to the warped family members (ala the Anthony family).

JMO and MOO
This is why I went into the abnormal psychology field. I think it's all very interesting and scary at the same time. The idea that someone can be normal up until their early 20s and then a stressor can trigger violent behavior via schizophrenia or other diseases is mindblowing.
 
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Look at how tiny JW is. Jodi is bigger. She's between 5'4-5'6, about the same height as JM.

The lower chair is to make her appear small, childlike (hmm, like they want to claim Travis told her to act?),one who couldn't defend herself, but by force, she had no choice. They are manipulating the jury. Dress them like schoolmarms and Sunday school teachers. Wearing glasses also are used as a tool.

It's a common trick. Look at Casey and her chair. You thought that one day all you would see was just the top of her head, her eyes looking over the table.

LOL,

PASA or Katie need to get the courtroom before Monday's trial starts and swap out all the chairs to those who can't be moved up/down. :rocker:
 
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Thank you for the wedding video. It made me cry.
 
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What I was responding to was about promiscuity. But, IMO...I think it takes a strong lack of emotion to get freaky with someone after you slaughtered another human being.

there is an assumption that you will be thinking about the victim based on a sane mind. I have little doubt that Jodi saw that as something Travis "made her" do. I am not talking about self defense either.
 
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Lambchop. I need to sit down and find myself a stiff drink.

Have you ever thought about writing who done it mystery novels?

I think the puzzle pieces are all there. We just have to put it together. This may not have been the case but it would not surprise me if it were. If police thought there was a murder/suicide she may have believed they would look no further. Could be why she brought the KY. Maybe planned on leaving it there. I believe the roommate said he did not get home until after 8pm. jmo
 
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there is an assumption that you will be thinking about the victim based on a sane mind. I have little doubt that Jodi saw that as something Travis "made her" do. I am not talking about self defense either.

Travis didn't make her do anything.
 
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I am pursuing a degree in Psychology as well.
 
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I thought the same thing. The reviews of it are mixed on Yelp. Google is your friend.

Trip Advisor has it ranked 15th out of 16. Very mixed reviews. Dirty, lousy food to great food, great atmosphere.
 
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This is why I went into the abnormal psychology field. I think it's all very interesting and scary at the same time. The idea that someone can be normal up until their early 20s and then a stressor can trigger violent behavior via schizophrenia or other diseases is mindblowing.

I just hope we get better at identifying people at risk and helping them. I even hope that we figure out a way to help the ones we currently worry are irretrievable, the ones therapy seems to make worse.
 
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I agree...I really am fascinated by the psychology behind so many of these horrific crimes. You summed it up so well...fascinating and terrifying. I'd love to interview so many of these really, really warped humans (that don't act as "normal" humans). I'd love to ask the why's and the "what were you thinking at the time" questions.

Oh, in addition to the warped family members (ala the Anthony family).

JMO and MOO

Sadly, they will never be truly honest. Even if they were honest, they probably don't know what they were thinking at the time. People do not remember things well when they are upset. This is why people do not remember what started a fight with a loved one, for instance.

A lot of times, I think the reasoning for crime is really simple and therefore disappointing to 'normal' people. It was just an impulse. The idea presented itself and there was a lack of another thought saying, 'Hey, bad idea, don't do that!"
 
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Nancy Grace interviewed her. It's a dang shame that Nancy didn't know that this was the chick with her shirt falling off during the proceedings. Nancy the Pit Bull would have said something really confrontational (and therefore, funny) to Tina.
 
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