Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[m00c0w]

I just hope we get better at identifying people at risk and helping them. I even hope that we figure out a way to help the ones we currently worry are irretrievable, the ones therapy seems to make worse.

I think too much stock is put into medications when cognitive-behavioral therapy and psychotherapy aren't used widely enough. Doctors seem too quick to prescribe SSRIs and other potentially dangerous medications when actual therapy may help more. I think that's one of the fundamental flaws with healthcare in this country right now.

 

[Justme84]

It was more than lying your face off. She was facing a murder charge and being interrogated by a police detective, she never cracked once. In fact, before being taken in.. she called the detective. I repeat how many of us could do that?

I dont know how many of us have killed someone? You cannot assume that logic plays any role in this.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I think we're getting way off course. Two people having open sex and being open about it is one thing. When one of those people purposefully hides any evidence of that other person even existing anymore then I think you're talking about something else. If any of my girlfriends found themselves in that situation I would say Run! Run faster, you deserve better - I wouldnt say You Go Girl, whatever floats your boat. But that's just me.

Yep. The whole " " vs "natural male urges" thing is very worrisome to me.

And I have given that very advice to a girlfriend before. Sadly she ignored it and the psych damage from that jerk eventually made her drop out of grad school.

She made a choice not to quit him, though, even after he would bring dates to department functions and then booty call her later. She was guilty of poor judgement but she was not a or a .

 

[lil_buddy]

BD1 - Did you know CA's psych evaluation was made public and she was found to be 'normal'?

 

[Bravo]

I am pursuing a degree in Psychology as well.

Good for you. It is a fascinating field. That is the degree I hold but my official title is Psychometrist. I have no claim to fame here when it comes to crime. Anyone pursuing the degree will take Abnormal Psych. Fascinating. I once worked with sex offenders but after a year I transferred out. Kept me awake at night. Now i work with Dual Diagnosis. It is a challenge considering how these folks fit in to Services. I work with behavioral and have some who can be quite violent. 31 years. Time to retire but for some reason cant quite get there.

 

[borndem]

Yep, it's one piece of a puzzle that proves premeditation.

Circumstantial evidence is evidence and when someone looks at the totality of steps taken to keep that trip to AZ Jodi's dirty little secret it screams PREMEDITATION.

That's how Scott Peterson was convicted, the jurors were able to look at the big picture.


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Ooohh boy, Linda -- that's it, that's it. And that's what this jury must understand -- CE is, to me, like a rope with many strands: each strand must be considered, and if it doesn't make sense, or seems false, then throw it away; keep the next strand because it fits and is hard to deny; and so forth. But if one or two strands aren't believable, that doesn't mean to throw the whole rope away. A good CE case will build a good strong rope -- and IMO the prosecution has done that without a doubt.

I think juries today want, as we've all bemoaned in other cases, a CSI-like show. Fingerprints; DNA from saliva, blood, semen; an eyewitness; film, etc., etc. That's not the real world -- that's fiction. And that is what always scares me because I've seen it in cases I've followed along with many WS'ers. And it only takes one... :banghead:

I think we've yet to see the State's case weakened by any testimony, but that's just me. I'm not on the jury x 12....

 

[Justme84]

I think too much stock is put into medications when cognitive-behavioral therapy and psychotherapy aren't used widely enough. Doctors seem too quick to prescribe SSRIs and other potentially dangerous medications when actual therapy may help more. I think that's one of the fundamental flaws with healthcare in this country right now.

this is especially so when you consider that a large percentage of disorders are believed to be both biological and environmental. I guess it comes from both the want from a patient to just take a pill and be all better ( yeah right) and the money received from pharmaceutical companies to suggest certain medications.

 

[txbluesman]

I think the puzzle pieces are all there. We just have to put it together. This may not have been the case but it would not surprise me if it were. If police thought there was a murder/suicide she may have believed they would look no further. Could be why she brought the KY. Maybe planned on leaving it there. I believe the roommate said he did not get home until after 8pm. jmo

I hope people don't knock your theory (as sometimes people do on here). It could lead to some pretty good discussions. They're gonna say "yeah, but what about...?".

Heck, the way I see it, we already have a lot of "what abouts". How those wonky pictures came to be is a real stumper for me, among other things. Yeah, timer, schmimer. Could be, I'm not so sure.

You just keep going along those lines and see what everybody comes up with. I'm with ya', LC. :rocker:

 

[getReal]

... After the murder, JA must have been freaked out walking from TA’s house to her rental car in broad daylight, early evening, and when many may have been returning home from work?? It’s a shame no one saw JA, said hello to her, clued in someone that she was there and thus possibly finding TA sooner.

That's why she had changed her hair color and vehicle. If anybody saw someone coming and going, they wouldn't recognize her.

 

[Pensfan]

I think too much stock is put into medications when cognitive-behavioral therapy and psychotherapy aren't used widely enough. Doctors seem too quick to prescribe SSRIs and other potentially dangerous medications when actual therapy may help more. I think that's one of the fundamental flaws with healthcare in this country right now.

(Psssst....Depressed people impulsively kill themselves.)

Therapy can take decades and is only effective with some people. Therapy doesn't alter or replace organic chemical changes that have occurred in those with depression, Major Depression, or OCD.

(not directed at m00c0w) IF YOU WERE PRESCRIBED ANTIDEPRESSANTS, TAKE THEM!

Pensfan
grouchy ol' verified psychiatric mental health nurse

 

[amyfarrahfowler]

IF you were to write a book??? Ummmmmmmm I'm thinking more like WHEN!! And Lifetime can make a movie and Rob Lowe can play your brother!!!!

Yes, I DO want Katie to write a book and I want to read it BEFORE I see the movie, and I DO want to watch Rob Lowe (or, Russell Crowe) playing Katie's brother!

Super Idea! \m/

 

[Justme84]

Ooohh boy, Linda -- that's it, that's it. And that's what this jury must understand -- CE is, to me, like a rope with many strands: each strand must be considered, and if it doesn't make sense, or seems false, then throw it away; keep the next strand because it fits and is hard to deny; and so forth. But if one or two strands aren't believable, that doesn't mean to throw the whole rope away. A good CE case will build a good strong rope -- and IMO the prosecution has done that without a doubt.

I think juries today want, as we've all bemoaned in other cases, a CSI-like show. Fingerprints; DNA from saliva, blood, semen; an eyewitness; film, etc., etc. That's not the real world -- that's fiction. And that is what always scares me because I've seen it in cases I've followed along with many WS'ers. And it only takes one... :banghead:

I think we've yet to see the State's case weakened by any testimony, but that's just me. I'm not on the jury x 12....

In this case, there is plenty CSI type evidence. She will not walk. If she gets less than death, I doubt sincerely it will have anything to do with the case presented. If she gets less than death it will be because the jury did not believe in the death penalty or could not put a woman to death. If she gets less than death, I think she will get that sentence because of circumstances entirely unaffected by the case.

 

[BD1]

BD1 - Did you know CA's psych evaluation was made public and she was found to be 'normal'?

Oh yes, I was watching that whole trial. I was hoping if she was found guilty we would get more information. It seems to me that during the guilt phase, it might be important to find shrinks who will say your client is normal so as to make it seem like they wouldn't do what they are accused of doing, but at penalty phase you might get another assessment done that helps the jury understand why they just couldn't help it, lol. But I could be wrong! I've never seen a penalty phase. I am pretty sure I am about to.

 

[Justme84]

Depressed people kill themselves. Therapy can take decades and is only effective with some people. Therapy doesn't correct or replace organic chemical changes that have occur in those with depression, Major Depression, or OCD.

(not directed at m00c0w) IF YOU WERE PRESCRIBED ANTIDEPRESSANTS, TAKE THEM!

Pensfan
grouchy ol' verified psychiatric mental health nurse

I see what you are saying but people kill themselves on meds as well. People on meds kill others too. Most of those school shooters were on antidepressants.
Honestly, there is no causation but there is definitely correlation between the two. America needs some big changes in not only psychology but culture if people think that this stuff will go away.

 

[TaRazza]

Travis didn't make her do anything.

Absolutely. No one can "make" anyone else do anything; a person considers their options and makes their choice. Granted, sometimes the options are limited, but sane people take responsibility for their own actions. Unstable people, however, believe others drive them to commit acts, and that by itself is pretty darn scary. As always, JMOO.

 

[m00c0w]

this is especially so when you consider that a large percentage of disorders are believed to be both biological and environmental. I guess it comes from both the want from a patient to just take a pill and be all better ( yeah right) and the money received from pharmaceutical companies to suggest certain medications.

Another issue is GPs playing the role of psychologist or psychiatrist. Some (not all) doctors will make a diagnosis all on their own, and prescribe medications instead of referring the person to a specialist in that field like they would with any other dysfunction outside of their scope of practice. It sometimes feels like psychology isn't taken as seriously as it should be.

 

[jevipo74]

That's why she had changed her hair color and vehicle. If anybody saw someone coming and going, they wouldn't recognize her.

Agreed. She made a comment about the neighbors recognizing her as a blonde.

 

[KM2]

Can someone please clarify for me regarding yesterday's testimony (Jan 31). The computer guy was talking about the (male body part) pics, but DID HE STATE that these were Emailed to Jodi???

As far as I know the photos were objected to as evidence... and the judge didn't say "over-ruled".
THE REASON I ask is an ABC news article stated that yesterday'S trial evidence covered Lewd photos emailed from Travis to Jodi. It stated such as a fact.

I must say, that I expect these types of statements from Jodi trolls but not major news outlets... and there seems to be A LOT of this going on.

When the Casey Anthony trial was in process, the media mostly reported what coincidentally the mainstream (who followed the case) would consider "self-evident"... mostly objective, circumstantial facts and logical deductions.

It seems that now, however AFTER that outcome came 1 1/2 years of tabloid news sites "milking it" for the advertisers... trolls are elevated singing revisionist praise to Casey... and the still outraged public arguing back "Justice for Caylee". It appears that the media is finding it advantageous to side a little w/ controversial fringe views for better ratings.

 

[Bravo]

I think too much stock is put into medications when cognitive-behavioral therapy and psychotherapy aren't used widely enough. Doctors seem too quick to prescribe SSRIs and other potentially dangerous medications when actual therapy may help more. I think that's one of the fundamental flaws with healthcare in this country right now.

I agree somewhat. Yet I will never deny the power of a Psychotropic Drug providing quality of life. At least with the folks i work with. In Jodi's case there is no fix. If anyone can figure it out they will qualify for the Nobel Peace Prize. It is fun to banter about. Sometimes ya cant fix broken. Folks like Jodi are in that category. IMO.

 

[m00c0w]

Errrrr....Depressed people impulsively kill themselves. Therapy can take decades and is only effective with some people. Therapy doesn't alter or replace organic chemical changes that have occurred in those with depression, Major Depression, or OCD.

(not directed at m00c0w) IF YOU WERE PRESCRIBED ANTIDEPRESSANTS, TAKE THEM!

Pensfan
grouchy ol' verified psychiatric mental health nurse

Well, yes. I wasn't necessarily talking about that. I was more talking about SSRIs being prescribed for people that are actually bipolar or schizophrenic because of misdiagnoses by healthcare professionals that don't specialize in the proper field to make these assessments. I also agree that biological therapy helps on certain levels, but it needs to be accompanied by some other sort of actual emotive therapy for it to be fully effective. I don't agree with doctors that dump anti-depressants on their patients and tell them to come back if stuff gets worse. That's not how it should be.