Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[Quester]

That's why she had changed her hair color and vehicle. If anybody saw someone coming and going, they wouldn't recognize her.

Yes, of course, but I can sometimes recognize people by the way they walk, body shape, height, etc. IOW, there are many clues to recognize someone.

 

[moonbird]

Can someone please clarify for me regarding yesterday's testimony (Jan 31). The computer guy was talking about the (male body part) pics, but DID HE STATE that these were Emailed to Jodi???

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to the best of my recollection, no there was no mention of them having been received by email... only that they were found on the mirror image hard drive, with an unknown (to the general public.. they lawyers/judge may know) time stamp.

 

[lil_buddy]

Oh yes, I was watching that whole trial. I was hoping if she was found guilty we would get more information. It seems to me that during the guilt phase, it might be important to find shrinks who will say your client is normal so as to make it seem like they wouldn't do what they are accused of doing, but at penalty phase you might get another assessment done that helps the jury understand why they just couldn't help it, lol. But I could be wrong! I've never seen a penalty phase. I am pretty sure I am about to.

It's funny because I have never had interest in this stuff - grisly crimes and trials.

I became familiar with the CA case because I was researching the scientific basis of MMPI-2 testing and forensic psychology in general. CA along with Ted Bundy fell within the 'normal' range of the MMPI-2 test. I think it is very wrong that this testing continues to be used in legal settings.

 

[BD1]

Another issue is GPs playing the role of psychologist or psychiatrist. Some (not all) doctors will make a diagnosis all on their own, and prescribe medications instead of referring the person to a specialist in that field like they would with any other dysfunction outside of their scope of practice. It sometimes feels like psychology isn't taken as seriously as it should be.

Yep. I wish vastly more people had access to therapy, and medications prescribed by a therapist if needed. Maybe a little (borderline?) girl that was destined to kill could have been helped way, way before she got there.

But don't they say that talk therapy doesn't help the narcissists and the psychopaths/sociopaths, at least once they are adults? And that success with children id'd as having traits is in its infancy?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Candace DeLong does this on her show

And I'd love to be sitting there with her :blushing:

 

[Justme84]

Can someone please clarify for me regarding yesterday's testimony (Jan 31). The computer guy was talking about the (male body part) pics, but DID HE STATE that these were Emailed to Jodi???

As far as I know the photos were objected to as evidence... and the judge didn't say "over-ruled".
THE REASON I ask is an ABC news article stated that yesterday'S trial evidence covered Lewd photos emailed from Travis to Jodi. It stated such as a fact.

I must say, that I expect these types of statements from Jodi trolls but not major news outlets... and there seems to be A LOT of this going on.

When the Casey Anthony trial was in process, the media mostly reported what coincidentally the mainstream (who followed the case) would consider "self-evident"... mostly objective, circumstantial facts and logical deductions.

It seems that now, however AFTER that outcome came 1 1/2 years of tabloid news sites "milking it" for the advertisers... trolls are elevated singing revisionist praise to Casey... and the still outraged public arguing back "Justice for Caylee". It appears that the media is finding it advantageous to side a little w/ controversial fringe views for better ratings.

I do not mean this with any rudeness at all but can you point this out to me because I do not see the media trying to side at all with the defendants. If anything I see them as trying to be first in line to report something whether it was used or not.

In fact, I often see people who state anything positive toward the defendants being pushed for negative things ("so you never saw ANYTHING that implied that she was a stalker and a killer"? )or mocked as if they are a fool or naive.

 

[Jaykayelle]

Another issue is GPs playing the role of psychologist or psychiatrist. Some (not all) doctors will make a diagnosis all on their own, and prescribe medications instead of referring the person to a specialist in that field like they would with any other dysfunction outside of their scope of practice. It sometimes feels like psychology isn't taken as seriously as it should be.

This. But I also think as a patient, it's good to do your homework and make educated choices when it comes to therapy and medication. It ultimately comes down to the fact that treatment is only effective if the patient is committed to getting better (or whatever end point they are striving to get to).

 

[Camdenres]

Katie my dear, you do indeed have a way with words!! I began crying as I read the first part of this post, but you turned that around by letting us know that our guy is taking good care of the fam and that made me smile!!

(I am out of the loop as to what your situation was with your family, but just knowing something happened to you and you are willing to fight and do good for others really touches my heart!)

I had posted earlier today that I was glad that jerkwad cut in line the other day bc everything seems to be falling into place! Thank you for keeping us in the loop and for passing along our support to his family. I'm really happy I joined this site last week - you are slowly restoring my faith in the human race!!

Katie- I also do not now what the situation with your family was/is but thank you for giving back to others that find them in the horrible place of being a victim or family member/loved one of a victim.

 

[Bravo]

(Psssst....Depressed people impulsively kill themselves.)

Therapy can take decades and is only effective with some people. Therapy doesn't alter or replace organic chemical changes that have occurred in those with depression, Major Depression, or OCD.

(not directed at m00c0w) IF YOU WERE PRESCRIBED ANTIDEPRESSANTS, TAKE THEM!

Pensfan
grouchy ol' verified psychiatric mental health nurse

LOL Jodi and folks like her would never benefit from medication etc. They are a different breed. Agree. How could Therapy or a med create a conscience? Just bouncing off your post.

 

[LambChop]

I hope people don't knock your theory (as sometimes people do on here). It could lead to some pretty good discussions. They're gonna say "yeah, but what about...?".

Heck, the way I see it, we already have a lot of "what abouts". How those wonky pictures came to be is a real stumper for me, among other things. Yeah, timer, schmimer. Could be, I'm not so sure.

You just keep going along those lines and see what everybody comes up with. I'm with ya', LC. :rocker:

I'm sure JM has already considered it. This case has been on his mind for 4 years. That is why it is good to listen to everyone's theory even though we may not agree. We have some great sleuthers on here who have posted theories that turned out to be spot on. I think there is a lot we are missing from her tapes with Flores. But I believe they got it all, every last bit she said and were able to put it together. I can hardly wait until Monday to hear more about the computer information. It left us hanging, along with the jury. jmo

 

[BD1]

It's funny because I have never had interest in this stuff - grisly crimes and trials.

I became familiar with the CA case because I was researching the scientific basis of MMPI-2 testing and forensic psychology in general. CA along with Ted Bundy fell within the 'normal' range of the MMPI-2 test. I think it is very wrong that this testing continues to be used in legal settings.

Jebus, Bundy?? Is there some more accurate testing that could be used, for god sake? Clearly we are missing something entirely if the general public's common sense and 'gut feelings' are better at id'ing potential/guilty murderers than the MMPI-2!!

 

[jevipo74]

to the best of my recollection, no there was no mention of them having been received by email... only that they were found on the mirror image hard drive, with an unknown (to the general public.. they lawyers/judge may know) time stamp.

I don't remember either. I just remember them showing the picture of a penis and saying it was found on the hard drive and the Martinez objecting and some mention about they can't confirm who the penis belongs to.

 

[BD1]

LOL Jodi and folks like her would never benefit from medication etc. They are a different breed. Agree. How could Therapy or a med create a conscience? Just bouncing off your post.

But aren't they beginning to try with children who have concerning symptoms? I don't know. It doesn't sound like Jodi was always a sociopath, does it? Do they hide that well?

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

I think the puzzle pieces are all there. We just have to put it together. This may not have been the case but it would not surprise me if it were. If police thought there was a murder/suicide she may have believed they would look no further. Could be why she brought the KY. Maybe planned on leaving it there. I believe the roommate said he did not get home until after 8pm. jmo

Very interesting. I missed late afternoon's testimony so I didn't know @ two guys picture parts but I have always wondered why the killing was so close to the normal time for the roommate to return. Your synopsis take it to another level of awful, doesn't it. But it fits Jodi's makeup-no connect to any other person.

 

[Bravo]

BD1 - Did you know CA's psych evaluation was made public and she was found to be 'normal'?

I'm sure that would be according to her Defense Team.

 

[minor4th]

Just thinking about the defense opening statements -- Wilmott actually said Jodi had a choice to make in a moment-- kill Travis or be killed. I mean, she really said that Travis would have killed Jodi if she had not killed him when she did.

I give this jury credit -- if you look at their questions from the beginning, you can tell that they really did have an open mind and were not deciding her guilt even based on all the evidence the prosecution was presenting. They were waiting to hear what the defense had to say. With a parade of defense witnesses testifying only about minor relationship squabbles -- now they really want to know, where's the evidence that Travis was ever abusive.

 

[Jaykayelle]

BD1 - Did you know CA's psych evaluation was made public and she was found to be 'normal'?

I thought she was deemed legally sane enough to stand trial. IMO, normal and legally sane aren't necessarily one in the same!

JMO

 

[minor4th]

Can someone please clarify for me regarding yesterday's testimony (Jan 31). The computer guy was talking about the (male body part) pics, but DID HE STATE that these were Emailed to Jodi???

As far as I know the photos were objected to as evidence... and the judge didn't say "over-ruled".
THE REASON I ask is an ABC news article stated that yesterday'S trial evidence covered Lewd photos emailed from Travis to Jodi. It stated such as a fact.

I must say, that I expect these types of statements from Jodi trolls but not major news outlets... and there seems to be A LOT of this going on.

When the Casey Anthony trial was in process, the media mostly reported what coincidentally the mainstream (who followed the case) would consider "self-evident"... mostly objective, circumstantial facts and logical deductions.

It seems that now, however AFTER that outcome came 1 1/2 years of tabloid news sites "milking it" for the advertisers... trolls are elevated singing revisionist praise to Casey... and the still outraged public arguing back "Justice for Caylee". It appears that the media is finding it advantageous to side a little w/ controversial fringe views for better ratings.

No, he did not say they were emailed and said nothing other than he recovered these two pictures from a hard drive he examined.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

PS ... folks somewhere aren't fessing up. A person does not become such a staunch liar .. over nite.

I'd sure like to hear the real story from her mother.

I wonder at times if they become one by conditioning at a very young age, as in infants and toddlers.

I know many of you have seen mothers that has a kid that controls the house. They give them what they want to shut them up. I've seen mothers take something away from one child and give it to the troublemaker,and that kid only grows worse. I see that in Jodi. It's terrible of me, but I wonder if Jodi's mom was the " throws the baby in the bed with a bottle" kind.

 

[BD1]

I thought she was deemed legally sane enough to stand trial. IMO, normal and legally sane aren't necessarily one in the same!

JMO

No, I'm pretty sure her docs said they found she did not qualify for any diagnoses, seperate from the sane finding.