Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

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http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/01/03/jodi-arias-evidence-photos-nancy-grace-mysteries-day-4

I believe this is a photo looking into the dryer drum with TA's dark colored sheets.

What is the white item with black dots?
TIA

It looks like the back of the inside of the dryer (the vents) where the heat comes through.
 
  • #842
I tend to think that the prosecutor has a very clear picture of what Jodi Arias really is but he doesn't have to do anything other than prove she did it, it was premeditated, it was heinous and deserves the death penalty.

That's true and he does not have an expert to testify as to her mental status so he can't label her as sociopathic or anything. But he can describe her as a user, a stalker and a murderer, in closing.


I am sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. I guess I am one of few who does not feel that she a sociopath out to kill up and coming Mormons. I think very specific circumstances led to what happened. Plenty of men have bed buddies that have feelings for them but they don't happen to have been Histrionic Personalities that do not deal with rejection well.


I am prepared for the fall out but IMO she could have lived her whole life never killing anyone if she hadn't found herself in such an odd situation. Never the less she is guilty and her actions were neither self defense nor anywhere near justified.

I don;t think anyone has called jodi a serial killer or someone who was out to kill Mormon guys. That's kind of a real exaggeration and distortion of what people have been discussing, IMO. Instead, some of us are saying that she preyed on Travis and when he wouldn't have her (and then couldn't have her because he was dead), she kept her eyes on other Mormon guys. Not in order to murder them but so she could get a guy who made money, had a certain look and who she could easily seduce due to her coercive use of sex and due to their relative inexperience and conflicted feelings about sex.

With much respect, (because you're seem like a doll!) I do think it's naive to believe that a person capable of planning out and then executing such a horrific, brutal murder, and then lying about it, showing little emotion, trying to seduce another guy the very next day, etc., is just some gal who found herself in a specific situation and who wouldn't have been a murder but for the type of relationship she was in or the type of guy she was with. Anyone capable of doing what she did in the manner that she did is capable of murder, was capable of murder and always will be. She is a frightening danger.

I mean, how is her behavior after the fact explained if she isn't remorseless, dangerous and evil? It's akin to saying casey anthony partied and danced on tables for a month after her daughter was killed, as a means of coping and grieving (which is what her defense did say).

IMO, anyone capable of what she did is not capable of that because of the specific situation, They are capable of that because of a serious defect in their soul and a ruthless quest for possession and a pathological sense of entitlement.

I understand why you could see it that way but honestly most of what we know is from the media who are trying to paint her in the most evil light they can and from his friends who are absolutely going to paint a picture of what they see in hindsight, with inclusion of the fact that she murdered him.


Many of these traits cannot be determined unless you actually meet someone. This goes for personality disorders as well.


Things like incapacity for love, could be dis-proven by her previous relationships. Early behavior problems are not in the mix. Dropping out of school is not being a delinquent.


I will give you that many of these things fit if you want them to.


Diagnosing anything off of the internet and never having met the person is not realistic.
Histrionic personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
this also fits her just as well from what we know and from the traits that are listed as a sociopath.

You could be right that she has some other disorder or perhaps it's a combination. But hon, I don't need the media to filter how I perceive jodi. She speaks for herself and like casey anthony and scott peterson, she spoke a lot.

Again, I am basing my opinion on personal experience with sociopaths and from what I have studied, as well as observing her behavior and looking at the murder itself.

I am a libber. I want to have the same rights as a man does. Along with this demand comes the knowledge that I can't demand the benefits but fall back on being a 'victim' if it suits my situation. I am an adult and if I enter a relationship that the other person has told me repeatedly is over and I continue to offer sex then I must face it that I am accepting those terms. I can't cry, get hurt, feel used or blame the man because I decide I can't handle it. I shouldn't be able to have my cake and eat it too. My demand for equality should also include my accepting responsibility for myself and my reactions.


'Odd situations' be damned JMO

Bravo, baby. And ditto to all.


Katiecoolady said the trial for her sister cost $10,000,000.


I think it is time for JA's trial to be over. The ridiculous waste of money is obscene when people need things for life. Things like schools, roads, etc.


The US has more people in prison than any place on earth. That is percentage wise


We are spending money in crisis management where nothing is left over to provide for people to have decent lives.


Can't JA be offered LWOP and this can come to an end? It is ludicrous. But maybe it is not so obvious to others out in the public?


Death penalty costs a ton of money and Katiecoolady has given plenty of reasons why it is a poor plan.

You are right but I don;t think jodi is willing to accept LWOP. She thinks no jury in the world will convict her. She thinks she's going free.


Happy Birthday!!


:bdsong:


Thanks! I spent half the day in the chair. Pain!!! And it is not over!!


I really do not see this as what most people do.
I have known many women who sought the attention of men when they were upset or distraught. Especially women who have learned that sex can make men
more pliant. If Jodi has been indirectly taught in her life that all she is good for is sex then she may use sex as a bargaining chip to get what she needs. If what she needs is someone to hold her then she may have been getting sex out of the way to get what she needed.


Manipulation, yes. Proof she has no emotion, not really.

You could be right about how she learned what she did. BTW, I disagree that sociopaths or psychopaths have no emotion. They have plenty but it's distorted and mostly for themselves. What they lack is not emotion but empathy and the ability to feel love, which you need empathy to do.
 
  • #843
Yes, she did, getReal -- She had quite a list of to-do's in preparation for The Dead Man Plan. Several things had to be done beforehand: gas cans, hair, getting a gun, knife, renting a nondescript car, planning the route, cash, probably some on-the-road munchies, phone charger, camera, computer, external hard drive perhaps, etc., etc.

And it was a pretty good one since she succeeded with the Main Item on Plan A. Somewhat. I would love to have seen her checklist. Can you imagine her little smiling face while she was making this list?? Grrrrrr.

She did forget at least one item on her Plan B list: a good defense attorney.
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She thought she had uncle Gus and PPL!! :floorlaugh:
 
  • #844
there will never be proof one way or the other. i'm just thinking logically. they're naked and pictures were taken---i personally think they took them of each other that day. but like i said, i don't CARE!!

i don't see what difference it makes. i could make just as good an argument that they did, but the fact is we'll never know.

Exactly
 
  • #845
i'd love to know if there are mormons on the jury. can they ask that in voire dire? i don't know that i'd want them or not if i were the PA.

In a little confused..,if masterbation makes a person un-temple worthy and so does sex...what's a person to do? What the heck do teens do??

If it counts the same why not just have sex?


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I might suggest also for your viewing pleasure "Sleeping with the Enemy" :seeya:

Here is a weird story about "Sleeping with the Enemy" My ex husband tried to be very controlling of me and my children. Needless to say we weren't married very long... In the months after we went our separate ways he would call and try to be nice to me... offering to pay my bills... waving his money in front of my nose (for months) and every time I felt I was beginning to let my guard down to his niceties I would watch that movie! He never lifted a hand to me or my kids but he thought he could come into my home and make his changes and run me and my children like the military... Boy was he sadly mistaken!! Sent him packing within a year! Live and learn...
 
  • #848
Guy Searcy provides information before he leave of person in car with him????? See below....

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/022013/m5614450.pdf

Gus Searcy having been previously sworn testifies further.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT Counsel approach the bench and have discussion out of
hearing of the Court and on the record.
The Court directs the witness to provide information for a sealed exhibit.
The witness is unsure if he will provide the information.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT Counsel approach the bench and have discussion out of
hearing of the Court and on the record.
4:28 p.m. The Court room is cleared, FTR is turned off, however the Court Reporter is
present.
The witness is addressed by the Court.
Exhibit # 13 is marked and received in evidence and will be filed under seal.
 
  • #849
In a little confused..,if masterbation makes a person un-temple worthy and so does sex...what's a person to do? What the heck do teens do??

If it counts the same why not just have sex?


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lots of cold showers?
 
  • #850
Guy Searcy provides information before he leave of person in car with him????? See below....

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/022013/m5614450.pdf

Gus Searcy having been previously sworn testifies further.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT Counsel approach the bench and have discussion out of
hearing of the Court and on the record.
The Court directs the witness to provide information for a sealed exhibit.
The witness is unsure if he will provide the information.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT Counsel approach the bench and have discussion out of
hearing of the Court and on the record.
4:28 p.m. The Court room is cleared, FTR is turned off, however the Court Reporter is
present.
The witness is addressed by the Court.
Exhibit # 13 is marked and received in evidence and will be filed under seal.

Looks like it


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  • #851
Jodi is the only one who can testify about her state of mind and what happened that made her afraid for her life in that moment. Period.

I don't see how they can not have her testify.

Me either. I think she has to. Yet i think at this point the Defense is trying to get whatever in they can to support her claim. What does she have to lose. Other than her life which is already on the line. I do hope this Jury goes for DP. In my opine Jodi will do well in Prison and adapt. I would much rather see her isolated with no social network. MOO
 
  • #852
I don't know if TA went to his bishop about JA. I might have missed that if it was brought up in trial, or by some media interview. But, yes, I think TA being a bad Mormon is becoming the issue of this trial and I don't know why. It is wrong. Maybe the defense assumes members of the Mormon church are in the jury and they would make his sex life an issue and judge him poorly for that?? If so, stupid, stupid move on their part. In the non-religious world I really don't think his sex life would matter one bit.

I don't think the Mormons would judge him poorly. Look at the brother and sister with their support of Jodi while she is in prison. I think those are the Mormon rules but members of the church reach out to those in trouble the same as any other Christian church would. The lost sheep, so to speak. It's the golden rule which is included in all religious teachings worldwide. jmo
 
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In a little confused..,if masterbation makes a person un-temple worthy and so does sex...what's a person to do? What the heck do teens do??

If it counts the same why not just have sex?


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I guess if you masturbate, the only one that can tell on you is you.....
 
  • #855
:clap: Thanks to LaceyBug and johunt who have posted dockets and what seems to be answers many questions I've had. Your patience and time is much appreciated.
 
  • #856
This was in 2009 and that is what the State's belief was at the time that he was shot first. Det. Flores was the lead detective and that was his belief based on the defendant's statements and what he believed would be in the ME's report. jmo

A little further down next page maybe Dr Horn had already come to his conclusion as well.
 
  • #857
I guess if you masturbate, the only one that can tell on you is you.....

Ah! It's only a sin if ya get caught!

See, Mormons don't seem much different than any other religion to me.


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  • #858
If he just woke up, I'd venture to bet he'd have been a little more... tumescent.

Nope...and I ain't providing a link. :)
 
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Ok think of it this way,,what if travis sleeps in the nude,,ja comes in and tosses the ky on the bed sits on the chair next to the bed and takes photo one when he's waking up,,he see's the ky puts it on the night stand and tells he to knock it off and she takes photo two,,he gets up and leaves room,,she then takes photos of herself!,everyone says they had sex but i cant find the proof they did yet

Why would she take pictures of herself when she went to so much trouble to show that she was not there? The hair, the gas cans, etc?
 
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