Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[Linda7NJ]

I was just agreeing with NRFTW that the naughty bits discussion had eclipsed the real issue. Which is that JA murdered TA.

My only divergence from her post is that I am concerned for women as a whole when we hold men and women to two separate standards.

But we basically agree that the other stuff has become too much.

Agreed


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[Anita Richman]

I regret that decision now. I apologize and I will never mention this site to one other person at the trial. I may reconsider posting here now. If i take my postings elsewhere i will definitely let you all know. Again I never suggested they read here and I probably should have mentioned just "hundreds of people". I do know if they wanted to search on where people were discussing their case they would easily find web sleuths. It's not hard to find. As is Facebook or other forums that discuss trials. I never considered including you all in my simple sentiment of support would create such fallout or panic.

I definitely will reconsider what I say now and where I say it. I will be way more cautious now.

Unfortunately, Travis's family has been reading what's been posted online for the past four years. What's been posted at Websleuths is much tamer, is moderated and victim friendly. I myself have stumbled onto some very disturbing websites and Travis's sisters could have easily found their way to those very same spots.

What YOU, Katie, gave them, was a warm hug from a bunch of strangers and instead of saying "a bunch of strangers", you mentioned the site. It was during a somber day of testimony during the defense portion of the trial, when I can only imagine their day begins with a giant lump in the pit of their stomach and the looming question of "what are they going to do to Travis today?" I think you gave them a breath of fresh air, a glimpse of sunshine, a reprieve from the somber.

Please don't stop posting here; this is your longtime "home". You are loved and known here. We are your people. <3

 

[smeck]

I agree...I want to hear more about the bank deposits and the duct tape.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Unfortunately, Travis's family has been reading what's been posted online for the past four years. What's been posted at Websleuths is much tamer, is moderated and victim friendly. I myself have stumbled onto some very disturbing websites and Travis's sisters could have easily found their way to those very same spots.

What YOU, Katie, gave them, was a warm hug from a bunch of strangers and instead of saying "a bunch of strangers", you mentioned the site. It was during a somber day of testimony during the defense portion of the trial, when I can only imagine their day begins with a giant lump in the pit of their stomach and the looming question of "what are they going to do to Travis today?" I think you gave them a breath of fresh air, a glimpse of sunshine, a reprieve from the somber.

Please don't stop posting here; this is your longtime "home". You are loved and known here. We are your people. <3

Wow! Excellent post!

Yeah Katie ...what she said!


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[callyn]

ok... spill the beans... HOW did yall do that? I want to make a google search too!!

http://bit.ly/vXtvlP

 

[Laceybug]

I dont know if this will show up here or not.... if it does... I guarantee it will infuriate you!! Arrrrgggghhhhhh!!

This is from the State's fb page:
For those that want some background on this... The Jury is busy walking in and Arias is looking in the direction of Tanisha and the Alexander family. She is now whispering to her lawyer who is looking really irritated something about the family. Then at point 25, she smirks/smiles at the family. This is while the JURY IS WALKING INTO THE COURT.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=412740338812487&set=vb.160510210691796&type=2&theater

 

[Pensfan]

Still waiting to hear....


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My guesses are:
-stole the money from Granny
-stole the money from one of Travis' accounts
-manipulated Mr. Brewer into giving it to her along with the gas cans
-Greasy Gus
-webcam or prostitution

What are you thinking?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I dont know if this will show up here or not.... if it does... I guarantee it will infuriate you!! Arrrrgggghhhhhh!!

This is from the State's fb page:
For those that want some background on this... The Jury is busy walking in and Arias is looking in the direction of Tanisha and the Alexander family. She is now whispering to her lawyer who is looking really irritated something about the family. Then at point 25, she smirks/smiles at the family. This is while the JURY IS WALKING INTO THE COURT.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=412740338812487&set=vb.160510210691796&type=2&theater

I can't see it, I don't Facebook, but I'll take your word for it!


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[Salem]

There shouldn't be any name calling at all - not even of the perp. That's one of the rules, remember? No name calling and no name variations.

So... if that is happening, please alert it if you see it. And for those calling names, please consider this the final warning on the issue.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Linda7NJ]

My guesses are:
-stole the money from Granny
-stole the money from one of Travis' accounts
-manipulated Mr. Brewer into giving it to her along with the gas cans
-Greasy Gus
-webcam or prostitution

What are you thinking?

I'm thinking Travis's bank accounts. She had the PIN numbers, he wouldn't be needing it and it would go a long way as an alibi to show what great friends they were he "allowed" her access.


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[DenverClipper]

I've only watched two televised trials in my life-- Casey Anthony's and this one. Since I never want to be blindsided again by a jury's verdict, I've done my best to experience this trial largely from a juror's point of view.

If I were a juror, what I'd be wondering right now is why on earth I am being subjected to so much talk of raunchy sex, and plainly speaking, to so many irrelevant and piddly tales of adolescent realtionships.

If I'm a woman, does the defense really want me to free Jodi because the victim cheated on her, didn't throw her naked body out of his bed when she crept there without being invited? Because he … whoa, getting serious now…called her names? Am I supposed to rally to her side out of righteous indignation, based on my gender, because the slaughtered very young male in this case seems to have occasionally acted--worst possible scenario-- like a cad?

And if I am a man? Wow. I'm feeling like I'm on trial here too. Seemingly it will be my fault if a woman I sleep with decides to kill me because I like sex more than I like her. I'm thinking about emails or phone calls I've received calling me a jerk because I didn’t listen well enough or respect her feelings enough. I see my wife my girlfriend standing in front of me accusing me of the same offenses. I'm positive I don' think I deserve death for these sins- every last male I've ever spoken to has heard the same list of complaints, repeatedly.

I'm waiting to be told how it is that Jodi is a victim, and why it is that her alleged
victimization should matter more than what she irrefutably did do to Travis. I'm from conservative Arizona, and I believe in personal responsibility. Far as I can see, Jodi at the very least was a willing sexual partner. I'm wondering at times if she wasn't in fact the sexual aggressor. Travis was clearly looking for a virgin to be committed to, and he obviously didn't like himself for having sex with Jodi.

She joined a church knowing that premarital sex was off limits, and yet was engaging in it the whole while and she knew how central the church was to Travis. Seems to me that if she had any consideration much less love for Travis, she would never have agreed to have sex, much less to have initiated it. If she had any self-respect or true newly found religious conviction she would have refused sex as well.


I'm getting more P'O'd by the day that these are the things the defense is asking me to analyze, while the facts of the Travis' death go unaddressed.

I'm not sure if Jodi stole the gun from her grandparents. The prosecutor did not prove that to me beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm also not sure that the gas cans Jodi picked up from her ex-boyfriend were meant to hide her time spent in AZ. I think that is likely, but I'm not going to convict her of 1st degree murder based on that.

I've resolved that for myself there is one and only question that the defense had better answer for me if they don't want me to convict their client, and that is this:

You say that Jodi killed Travis in self-defense, AFTER he attacked her in the shower- verbally, since there wasn't a single mark on her afterwards, other than perhaps on a few fingers (and even THAT I don’t know, since Burns never actually saw any wounds).

If it was self-defense, how did Jodi have the time to go run and get both a gun and a knife-whomever they belonged to? Why did she get both? Am I to believe that Travis kept a gun and a knife in his bathroom? How is that Jodi managed to fend off Travis to reach a knife and gun-even, completedly implausibly those laying about near the bathroom sink, when Travis- was so much taller and stronger than Jodi, and in your version, mad enough with rage enough to want to kill her? And yet he leaves no mark on her while his own hands are sliced to the bone?


Really?


I think the defense better pray that we the jury don’t find her guilty of first degree murder. If we do, I am going to punish her as well for putting Travis's loved ones through the hell of having his name smeared nationally, and for playing the victim again while doing her utmost to hurt Travis one last time.


Just my opinion.

Geeze - I stepped away for just a moment and I'm 30 pages behind.

Thanks for a great analysis. I agree with you completely.

 

[norest4thewicked]

For the record. I have never called Jodi a or a . Not once. The worst I've said in that respect, if someone behaves like one, they shouldn't get upset if someone treats them like one.




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I haven't either...I think those names are too good for her, but I know that we aren't supposed to call names here, so I try to keep that rule.

 

[Linda7NJ]

My guesses are:
-stole the money from Granny
-stole the money from one of Travis' accounts
-manipulated Mr. Brewer into giving it to her along with the gas cans
-Greasy Gus
-webcam or prostitution

What are you thinking?

Hmmmm, they're all great possibilities.

How old are Jodi's siblings now?


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[Anita Richman]

Smaller eye openings are more common in people of Latin American/Mestizo heritage.

Jodi is half Mexican.

It is also common in people of Nordic heritage. I am blonde and blue eyed but used to get called "chink eyes" when I was in grade school. No offense to Asian people. That is just what I actually used to get called.

Do you know the rest of her heritage? I heard her sister sang a Native American song and I wondered if they were also of Native American heritage.

 

[GetSmart]

I can't see it, I don't Facebook, but I'll take your word for it!

Here is a screen shot

 

[polleypockets]

I regret that decision now. I apologize and I will never mention this site to one other person at the trial. I may reconsider posting here now. If i take my postings elsewhere i will definitely let you all know. Again I never suggested they read here and I probably should have mentioned just "hundreds of people". I do know if they wanted to search on where people were discussing their case they would easily find web sleuths. It's not hard to find. As is Facebook or other forums that discuss trials. I never considered including you all in my simple sentiment of support would create such fallout or panic.

I definitely will reconsider what I say now and where I say it. I will be way more cautious now.

oh please don't - i have been on both sides of the coin in this situation and have read about my friend - and in the midst of all the conversations theories, questions - i watched how members kept the story going for the family got the truth out until it was picked up by a major news series, got the cause of death - for all the victims that weekend - changed from suicide to homicide, got a new investigation going - and even though it is still going on because of california politics - w/ out forums like this, nothing would have ever happened - even though some times some levity is injected and some people wanted to know more about his personal life - i never ever thought a single person had any malice towards my friend or any of the victims (even though he did have trace amounts of drugs in his system) - i have unfortunately been thru this rodeo 4 seperate times - best friend carjacked and murdered, another mugged and murdered at an atm, another found stabbed to death and left in a park (he was the one originally labeled a suicide), and my cousin who was murdered on a dallas downtown street in a random act of hatred because he was gay - and every thing you have said and done has done nothing but lift up the families - the same with every one here - you all stand up for the victims families - you offer alternative theories - you get the stories in the public to get the attention needed - as some one who has read stories in here as a friend of a victim - i have never been offended - not even by the occasional "blue" comments that are made - or at times when some one makes a joke because the reality is just so sad - so please reconsider - believe it or not this forum really does make a difference and help the victims left behind in a puddle of grief and anger when a violent act is committed

 

[PASA]

Off-topic:
I am getting distracted by this poor young 5-year-old boy stuck for FOUR DAYS now in a bunker with a crazed nut. I'm surprised this story is not getting more attention from the media.
http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-release-photo-accused-ala-abductor-215324625.html

It's getting quite a bit of coverage here in Phoenix. It is a terrible situation.

 

[getReal]

On another forum, a person continues to suggest that the duct tape photographed on the floor is very significant in why Arias murdered Travis. Does anyone know why that person has stated that several times? Does anyone know anything about Travis or his roommate's or friend's protection rites?

Why was the duct tape on the floor? Had it been on Travis' bicep?

Nope! It wasn't mentioned in either opening statement. That duct tape annoys me to death.... I never went back to the naked Travis pics to see for myself if it was indeed on his arm at some point. But that's what I read here.

I just had a thought about the duct tape. You recall that the door beneath the bathroom sink was open in the crime scene photos?

Stay with me on this. I saw David Letterman interviewing Al Pacino last night, and they were discussing "The Godfather". Pacino said that, although Coppola (the director) was on Pacino's side, some of the producers wanted to replace Pacino in the role of Michael Corleone. But they changed their mind after the scene where he shoots the two guys in the restaurant. His character (Michael Corleone) knew he was going to kill these two guys, but they had patted him down to make sure that he was unarmed. At one point, he went to the bathroom where a gun was duct taped inside the toilet tank. When he returned from the bathroom, he shot each guy between the eyes, dropped the gun and walked out of the restaurant.

So, back to Arias and Alexander ... what if Jodi had duct taped the gun beneath the sink? She was squatting for the final shots of Travis in the shower and when his back was turned, she could have reached beneath the sink for one (or both) weapons.

 

[borndem]

Play Misty for Me.....Jessica Walter was outstanding and terrifying. Clint Eastwood also starred and it was made in 1971

Wait Until Dark with Audrey Hepburn playing a blind woman who is terrorized by three thugs while they search for a doll stuffed with heroin that they believe is in her apartment. There was a mix-up at the airport & the thugs think she & her husband have come home with it. 1967. Also stars Alan Arkin as one of the bad guys in the role of his life, IMO.

 

[callyn]

I regret that decision now. I apologize and I will never mention this site to one other person at the trial. I may reconsider posting here now. If i take my postings elsewhere i will definitely let you all know. Again I never suggested they read here and I probably should have mentioned just "hundreds of people". I do know if they wanted to search on where people were discussing their case they would easily find web sleuths. It's not hard to find. As is Facebook or other forums that discuss trials. I never considered including you all in my simple sentiment of support would create such fallout or panic.

I definitely will reconsider what I say now and where I say it. I will be way more cautious now.

Katie, we love your posts. I for one give the family credit that they know better than to read here or anywhere else similar. Why would they subject themselves to the chance of seeing something terribly upsetting. They have enough to deal with without going looking for anguish. I am glad you let them know that we care about them and Travis. ((hugs))