Trial date set for Sidney and Tammy Moorer? #2

[Dixie E]

We know that Heather's car ended up at PTL.

LE could have had [more] evidence that HE drove herself to PTL if they wouldn't have released her car to TE! They could have easily checked the distance of the seat IMO. Did TE move it when he drove it away from the landing?

Neither of the M's could have driven her car with the seat as she would have had it adjusted IMO.

*And, that's to say no one was smart enough to adjust it after they got out – if in fact someone else drove her car to PTL.

:moo:

I always thought that the way the car was handled was very unprofessional of LE. That car should have never been driven home. It should have been towed and gone over for evidence. That right there may play a big part in the trial.

 

[jillycat]

LE always sounded so definitive about her getting herself to Peachtree Landing that I assumed they had some evidence that indicated that (which we haven't heard about yet).

One of many things we won't know until this finally goes to trial...

All we know at this point is that they believe she drove there based on phones talking to one another and cars going toward or ending up there.

I think any of the following is possible:

1. She drove there of her own volition, got into /was forced into an M vehicle and was taken to her fate
2. She drove there under duress
3. She was taken there in an incapacitated or deceased state
4. She was never there

I don't think the LE scenario where they hurried and killed her at PTL, left no evidence, and then went back home is at all reasonable.

 

[Madeleine74]

Except for the part where LE felt a need to notify TE that a car registered to him was unattended at the landing, TE went to the landing because he was alarmed, made calls to his daughter, other family, and friends, couldn't reach Heather, no one knew where she was, and he felt that her car was where it didn't belong. So I guess I'm not following why police needed to be psychic to know the car might be evidence.

I was being sarcastic.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Conference call today. Possible trial date to be set. We'll see...

A court date in the Heather Elvis case has not yet been set. On Wednesday, Horry County Solicitor Jimmy Richardson and defense attorneys for Sidney Moorer, 39, and Tammy Moorer, 43, who is also charged in the kidnapping and killing of Elvis, will have a conference call with Dennis at which time hearing dates may be discussed, Richardson said.

Read more here: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/crime/article53557940.html

 

[EmmaRose]

I so hope a trial date will finally be set. Fingers crossed. Thanks, PTF.

 

[rob]

I hope LE is able to produce some evidence that HE did drive the car there and it is not just their theory. I think the casey Anthony case was lost because they were so locked into their theory.
I also think that the M's or at least S knew where HE was living, because it's just too big a coincidence that he called that night, as soon as she returned home.
If S was still working at the Kilt, even if he wasn't talking to HE, he probably was talking to the other employees, some of whom are guys. And yes, guys gossip as much as girls.
MOO

 

[razzledazzle]

I hope LE is able to produce some evidence that HE did drive the car there and it is not just their theory. I think the casey Anthony case was lost because they were so locked into their theory.I also think that the M's or at least S knew where HE was living, because it's just too big a coincidence that he called that night, as soon as she returned home.
If S was still working at the Kilt, even if he wasn't talking to HE, he probably was talking to the other employees, some of whom are guys. And yes, guys gossip as much as girls.
MOO

I agree and hope this doesn't happen again. I think Heather drove herself to PTL and was taken from there alive, maybe unconscious. I just haven't figured out what happened next. I do believe she was killed and disposed of by morning. JMO MOO and all that...

 

[stillwatersc]

Here's the problems I have with the theories that she didn't drive herself to Peachtree Landing:

#1: After being dropped off by her date, Heather's phone called the payphone again (probably thinking it was SM's new #) and then she called Sidney's phone just prior to her disappearing. If Heather wasn't alone or wasn't the one using her phone from her apartment at 3:17am, then why would SM/TM place calls between her phone and SM's phone and leave a blatant trail like that? It doesn't make sense to me that they were being careful enough to cover their tracks by using a payphone and then they make a major mistake like that. (These people are not the brightest though, so maybe I'm giving them too much credit)

#2: We don't know if SM even knew where her apartment was. She moved into the apt. about a month before her murder, which was at least a month after the relationship was broke off. It doesn't sound like her and SM had any communication during this time because TM took his phone away from him and was controlling him to the point that he was handcuffed to the bed and went along with him on his work jobs. Yes, HE could have told SM on the phone where she lived and told him to come over, but we don't know that and BW never mentioned that HE said that to her.

Even though I think she drove herself to the landing, I disagree with LE that she was murdered there. I think she willingly got into the truck at Peachtree and whatever happened to her took place after this.

ETA #3: I don't think TM would have ever let SM be alone with Heather again, even if it was part of a plan to abduct and murder her.

Agree with all of this. Thank you!

There was not supposed to be any phone trail from HE's phone to SM's phone - that is why they used the payphone. Also, I don't think the M's had a phone with them when they took Heather to avoid any tracking. IMO they didn't know she had called from PTL until the deed was done and they returned home.

There is a phone calls thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ning-of-Dec-18-2013-(both-PayPhone-amp-cells)

 

[jillycat]

It seems to me that if you're concerned about a phone trail, you wouldn't answer your cell when your intended victim calls and then talk to her for over 4 minutes.

 

[jillycat]

I hope LE is able to produce some evidence that HE did drive the car there and it is not just their theory. I think the casey Anthony case was lost because they were so locked into their theory.
I also think that the M's or at least S knew where HE was living, because it's just too big a coincidence that he called that night, as soon as she returned home.
If S was still working at the Kilt, even if he wasn't talking to HE, he probably was talking to the other employees, some of whom are guys. And yes, guys gossip as much as girls.
MOO

This is a central issue that I think plagues the state's case. They're insisting on a scenario and timeline that's way too narrow and the defense will dismantle that.

 

[Motherof5]

Here's the problems I have with the theories that she didn't drive herself to Peachtree Landing:

#1: After being dropped off by her date, Heather's phone called the payphone again (probably thinking it was SM's new #) and then she called Sidney's phone just prior to her disappearing. If Heather wasn't alone or wasn't the one using her phone from her apartment at 3:17am, then why would SM/TM place calls between her phone and SM's phone and leave a blatant trail like that? It doesn't make sense to me that they were being careful enough to cover their tracks by using a payphone and then they make a major mistake like that. (These people are not the brightest though, so maybe I'm giving them too much credit)

#2: We don't know if SM even knew where her apartment was. She moved into the apt. about a month before her murder, which was at least a month after the relationship was broke off. It doesn't sound like her and SM had any communication during this time because TM took his phone away from him and was controlling him to the point that he was handcuffed to the bed and went along with him on his work jobs. Yes, HE could have told SM on the phone where she lived and told him to come over, but we don't know that and BW never mentioned that HE said that to her.

Even though I think she drove herself to the landing, I disagree with LE that she was murdered there. I think she willingly got into the truck at Peachtree and whatever happened to her took place after this.

ETA #3: I don't think TM would have ever let SM be alone with Heather again, even if it was part of a plan to abduct and murder her.

I think it just didn't go down the way dumb and dumber thought it would. There weren't any calls between Heather's and Sidney's phones until after the payphone call. I think that the M's thought that it would only take one call from SM to lure Heather out and they were "careful" to use a payphone.( Smile SM, we see you sneaking out from behind that dumpster to use the payphone) Heather didn't take the bait....right away. She called BW first, then tried to call the payphone back. She then started calling his cell phone. Now, if they had a brain between them, they wouldn't have answered her call but I believe this was planned for that night and TM wanted Heather out of the way forever. She has zero patients. Heather calling BW and telling what SM said changed everything. They weren't planning on that at all. As far as SM knowing where Heather's apartment was...he knew where she worked and that's all the info TM would need to follow her home or have her followed. Finding Heather would have been easy. JMO

 

[jillycat]

It's the lie that could never save them that doesn't make sense to me. If your line of thought in getting away with murder is to use a pay phone so that no cell record ties you to your victim, then no matter how much you want her dead, you don't get ahead of yourself and talk to her by phone for 4+ minutes right before you lure and kill her.

It seems to me that SM wasn't astute enough to realize that the 3:17 call would blow his alleged strategy, so he lied when questioned, and only admitted contact when confronted with the record he didn't seem to realize he'd created.

So, I think it's possible that the reason a pay phone was used was because he/they didn't think HE would answer if she saw SM's number on the caller ID. That, to me, is more plausible than an attempt to get around a cell record, then later answer the cell and provide the police with the breadcrumbs you intended to not drop by using a pay phone.

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

I've maintained the same theory all along. I don't think it was planned. I think SM was out working that night at one of his jobs...and thought he'd call HE for a quickie or to see if he could slip back into her life. He called from the payphone because TM had his phone or he didn't want to leave a trail for her. I think that is the reason for the "he said he's leaving his wife and wants to see me" excuse. I don't think there was any hidden agenda at that point to do her harm.

But then when she perhaps balked or stalled...and he wasn't at the payphone when HE called back, she started calling his cell. I think at that point, when his cell phone was at home and HE was calling it, TM had it and got so mad she insisted on getting rid of the threat immediately. I believe once SM got home, she confronted him. He may have lied about making the initial call, or he may have come clean. But either way, I believe TM forced him to call HE back and say he'd meet her at PTL.

I believe TM rode in the backseat of the truck ducking down as they arrived. Once SM and TM arrived, he pulled up, HE jumped in the passenger side. As soon as the door closed, I think TM strangled her or attacked her. Remember, it needed to be a way to leave virtually no DNA evidence such as blood etc. I think that fits the bill unfortunately.

All of that is speculation of course, but it seems the most plausible explanation for the calls, timeline, lack of a "scene" at PTL etc. The only problem with my theory is...that means these two idiots were somehow able to hide her body so well that noone has been able to find it. That's the only part where I feel perhaps my theory falls apart since I don't think these two are so bright and thoughtful.

Just My opinion...

 

[Motherof5]

It's the lie that could never save them that doesn't make sense to me. If your line of thought in getting away with murder is to use a pay phone so that no cell record ties you to your victim, then no matter how much you want her dead, you don't get ahead of yourself and talk to her by phone for 4+ minutes right before you lure and kill her.

It seems to me that SM wasn't astute enough to realize that the 3:17 call would blow his alleged strategy, so he lied when questioned, and only admitted contact when confronted with the record he didn't seem to realize he'd created.

So, I think it's possible that the reason a pay phone was used was because he/they didn't think HE would answer if she saw SM's number on the caller ID. That, to me, is more plausible than an attempt to get around a cell record, then later answer the cell and provide the police with the breadcrumbs you intended to not drop by using a pay phone.

The above BBM is such a great point and I've honestly never thought about that. Very possible! I just always thought that the M's were thinking that they could call Heather from a payphone,she'd meet them, they'd kidnap and murder her, leaving no phone trail. This didn't happen because Heather didn't leave after the payphone call. When she kept trying to call him back, I could just see impatient TM deciding that it was going down that night, no matter what and they'd come up with a lie, "I only answered to tell Heather to stop calling me". It would have looked like Heather kept calling him that night after no calls from him, but she called BW and told her about SM's call and then LE got the payphone video. Then we knew SM started the calls. All that said, you've made good points and given me more to think about.

 

[stillwatersc]

I think the murder was premeditated, at least by TM, prior to the payphone call. These texts are just too chilling, knowing what happened. Tammy Moorer was not blowing smoke. She meant every word.

a Nov. 1, 2013 message from Tammy Moorer read, according to prosecutors. "You can tell me where you are right now or I will find out another way... that way won't have a great turn out for you... I am giving you one last chance to answer before we meet in person.. only one."

The same day, Elvis reportedly received another message that read, "I've been having Sidney followed since Jan. 2012.. it's best you call back and speak to me, save yourself. Hey ...... you ready to meet the MRS?"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-missing-sc-woman-had-relationship-with-murder-suspect/

 

[ZooSleuth]

I've maintained the same theory all along. I don't think it was planned. I think SM was out working that night at one of his jobs...and thought he'd call HE for a quickie or to see if he could slip back into her life. He called from the payphone because TM had his phone or he didn't want to leave a trail for her. I think that is the reason for the "he said he's leaving his wife and wants to see me" excuse. I don't think there was any hidden agenda at that point to do her harm.

But then when she perhaps balked or stalled...and he wasn't at the payphone when HE called back, she started calling his cell. I think at that point, when his cell phone was at home and HE was calling it, TM had it and got so mad she insisted on getting rid of the threat immediately. I believe once SM got home, she confronted him. He may have lied about making the initial call, or he may have come clean. But either way, I believe TM forced him to call HE back and say he'd meet her at PTL.

I believe TM rode in the backseat of the truck ducking down as they arrived. Once SM and TM arrived, he pulled up, HE jumped in the passenger side. As soon as the door closed, I think TM strangled her or attacked her. Remember, it needed to be a way to leave virtually no DNA evidence such as blood etc. I think that fits the bill unfortunately.

All of that is speculation of course, but it seems the most plausible explanation for the calls, timeline, lack of a "scene" at PTL etc. The only problem with my theory is...that means these two idiots were somehow able to hide her body so well that noone has been able to find it. That's the only part where I feel perhaps my theory falls apart since I don't think these two are so bright and thoughtful.

Just My opinion...

:ditto:

I think this is most likely what happened, although I don't think he was out working on a job that night because it was never part of their alibi. I think SM and TM were together most of the night (indecent exposure charge) and he slipped away at some point to make the payphone call. Other than that, I 100% agree with you. The 3am call to his cellphone set off TM into a rage and TM made SM answer the 2nd call and setup a meeting at the landing so HE could finally "meet the misses."

 

[jillycat]

The above BBM is such a great point and I've honestly never thought about that. Very possible! I just always thought that the M's were thinking that they could call Heather from a payphone,she'd meet them, they'd kidnap and murder her, leaving no phone trail. This didn't happen because Heather didn't leave after the payphone call. When she kept trying to call him back, I could just see impatient TM deciding that it was going down that night, no matter what and they'd come up with a lie, "I only answered to tell Heather to stop calling me". It would have looked like Heather kept calling him that night after no calls from him, but she called BW and told her about SM's call and then LE got the payphone video. Then we knew SM started the calls. All that said, you've made good points and given me more to think about.

It's the sequence of things and Heather's emotional distress that leads me to my conclusion. The first lie to the police was that SM had not talked to her at all. The claim that he only answered the phone to tell her to stop calling came after that, because the police confronted him. So, they didn't have a plan in place for a lie that covered that 3:17 answering of the cell and the 4+ minute conversation that ensued. This tells me that there was another reason for calling from a pay phone and I really think it's because Heather was not going to be an easy mark. I've always felt that Heather was extremely hesitant to jump back in with SM because of what we've come to know about how TM treated her/frightened her, and the fact that it appears that the affair ended when TM found out and became enraged.

So, this has made it harder for me to believe that Heather decided to go to PTL, at that hour, in the dark, and have a chat fest with SM. However, if she did, she would have had to have been convinced that he was free enough from TM's scrutiny to answer his phone and meet with her. So I would love to know what BW knows, if anything, about what SM said to HE about calling from the pay phone, just as I would love to know how he explained that he could meet Heather at that hour.

 

[Surfside]

:ditto:

I think this is most likely what happened, although I don't think he was out working on a job that night because it was never part of their alibi. I think SM and TM were together most of the night (indecent exposure charge) and he slipped away at some point to make the payphone call. Other than that, I 100% agree with you. The 3am call to his cellphone set off TM into a rage and TM made SM answer the 2nd call and setup a meeting at the landing so HE could finally "meet the misses."

Agreed. Considering the indecent exposure at Broadway at the Beach and the fact that TM had been drinking heavily for a stretch, I always thought they got in a fight and SM walked to that payphone.

 

[U2forever]

Was TM drinking before or after HE murder?


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[meinmyrtlebeach]

I had forgotten about the Indecent Exposure issues supposedly from that night. Honestly, I kind of always discounted those as simply a lie to try to give themselves an alibi. However, I wonder if LE would go ahead and charge them with that simply based on their word? Perhaps TM and SM showed selfies or whatever as proof....so maybe i'm wrong.

The other thing that my theory doesn't acct for is you are right up above....in saying that IF SM had really been out on a job that night that he decided to call and try to hook up....he certainly would have used that as his alibi also I guess.

So now i'm more confused than ever!!