Trial day 31: the defense continues it's case in chief #86

[seguek9]

Due to utter frustration as a result of exceedingly poor time management of this court ...

I'm feeeeeling like Nurmi probably felt, when he couldn't get out of defending JA, and am now taking his lead ...

I'm resigning from my self-assigned role as countdown queen :Crown: ...

opening my own private office ...

and demanding $250 per hour to continue the countdown to court time service!!!

ropeller:

I object on the grounds I don't have a valid subscription to Time magazine to check your credentials with!

 

[Southern_Meadow]

They'll be back at 4pm Eastern time?

Yep. More like 4:30 with this trial, though.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

JC got intrumental wrong, it's a homicide designed to 'get something' out of the other person, as in the homicide is the instrument, it doesn't mean an 'instrument' was used. Sheesh.

(B) "Instrumental" homicide

An "instrumental" homicide begins with attempting to get something from another person; violence is simply an acquisition tool. In Canada, about one in four 1994 homicide incidents occurred during the commission of another offense. Further, more than two-thirds of these homicides happened at the same time as another violent offense.20

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/rsrch/briefs/b12/b12e-eng.shtml

 

[jojomonkey]

Yep. More like 4:30 with this trial, though.

My bet is on 4:45.

 

[leebee52]

My mom would have hit me with more than a wooden spoon if told her I was dating a vampire I met at the carnival.

HAHA sounds like Halloween in the old days.

 

[Sydni]

and again ~ is there NO ONE within the Mesa legal community that can light a fire under this judge to get control of this defense team? OMG, the money they're wasting! Not to mention the TIME, SACRIFICE AND INCOME of this jury!!!!! Seriously??

I know, right!!! :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: and ...... :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I have recently had soooooo many homicidal thoughts ... I just might be on my way to becoming a serial killer .... oops .... just put that in writing, didn't I?:what:

 

[Avalon85]

Slightly OT, but not really. Has anyone read Gone Girl by Gillian Flynn. Holy cow that book reminds me of Jodi Arias so much. Scares the carp out of me! It's a really good, chilling read.

 

[nursebeeme]

Updates baby!!!! I haven't been able to watch this morning. What's the scoop?

I will do my best, git..:

dt wanted their psychologist (who has a phd and his own website offering his testimony for your defense case no matter what the situation! :wink to present a powerpoint that was just made this morning citing TIME magazine as a professional source (or some sort of magazine). Also wants to compare sections of Travis' decomposed brain to other known samples (for real!).

Juan objects

Judge gets flustered and sends everyone to lunch until 1:15

 

[carnnell]

I've attended a few seminars on PTSD and heard psychologists talk about what happens during a critical incident and what happens after.

In my opinion Jodi's actions after do not jive with PTSD and the way memories are preserved after a critical incident.

You can also Google "trauma membrane" for some interesting reading.

I feel so angry right now.

JA is neither a police officer who is trained for critical incidents and this was not a shoot out. JA was the aggressor against a defensless person.

My last job was with the residential program through the VA in Kentucky (before I became disabled). Many of the Vets had PTSD along with drug/alcohol addictions. They saw violence none of us have seen in our life time (most were Vietnam Vets). I don't remember them have the (fog stuff) as part of the symptoms of PTSD. That is part of their problem is they remember and can't forget reacting to civilian world as if the war violence is still around them NOT a "fog".

Something is wrong here.. really wrong.. Even in rape violence, homicide violence (witness), abuse (of all kinds) violence.. they terror won't leave which leads to symptoms of PTSD.

The syndrome is the mind/body stress immediate after the event and begins to go away as you heal and go with one's life. The symptoms turn into the disorder when, over time, the immediate stress of the violence continues to live in the nonviolent environment.

So I don't know where "fog" amnesia comes from. If it occurs in people it is so very rare and usually occurs from a very bad head injury.

 

[katiewonders]

aaaawwwh girl! You so organized! Makes me feel like I need to get my act together!

I'm such a bad cook I don't even know what mess en place means. lol

 

[thefragile7393]

OMG.....O/T ---- Debra Jean Milke's conviction has been overturned!!! Thank God! I don't think she did it, at ALL.

I am glad to hear this. At the very least she needed a new trial because there was no record of her confession, only a dectective's word. Back to 2 on DR who will NEVER get out....and hopefully soon JA will make it 3.

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[Quester]

I object on the grounds I don't have a valid subscription to Time magazine to check your credentials with!

OBJECTION OVER-RULED! Check your Newsweek! :giggle:

 

[Tipstaff]

Updates baby!!!! I haven't been able to watch this morning. What's the scoop?

Defense expert added new power point demonstration this am - and the DT and PT are fighting one to get in and JM to keep it out. DT parsing wording that the 'expert' will use to explain JA's fog. So JM gets to depose the expert on the new presentation and of course LUNCH.

But if we believe the premeditation the fog is part of JA's lies.

 

[corundogs]

For some of us, this little break is a blessing in disguise - we get to watch General Hospital now. LOL!!

Maybe tomorrow I might have to finally make a decision to watch or not...which just goes to point out all of the delays.

That's 4 days after I should have had to make that choice!

 

[popsicle]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JSR
Rule 15.2.(c) of AZ Criminal Rules

c. Disclosure by Defendant; Scope. Simultaneously with the notice of defenses submitted under Rule 15.2(b), the defendant shall make available to the prosecutor for examination and reproduction the following material and information known to the defendant to be in the possession or control of the defendant:

(1) The names and addresses of all persons, other than that of the defendant, whom the defendant intends to call as witnesses at trial, together with their relevant written or recorded statements;

(2) The names and addresses of experts whom the defendant intends to call at trial, together with the results of the defendant's physical examinations and of scientific tests, experiments or comparisons that have been completed; and

(3) A list of all papers, documents, photographs and other tangible objects that the defendant intends to use at trial.

Legally they did do that. I think a good lawyer needs to rewrite those rules and add: not ten minutes before trial.

You misunderstood that. It says to be turned over simultaneously.

 

[leebee52]

So I don't know where "fog" amnesia comes from. If it occurs in people it is so very rare and usually occurs from a very bad head injury.

And of course JA had no booboos except for "the finger" (OR MORE)

 

[elementary]

:what:...and if you look at the footnotes of the PowerPoint, you will note the very credible source of Wikipedia, which Dr. Samuels uses to help define PTSD....

Seriously????? Seriously???????

 

[Kajaa24]

Abstract:
Behavioral scientists have distinguished an instrumental (or proactive) style of aggression from a style that is reactive (or hostile). Whereas instrumental aggression is cold-blooded, deliberate, and goal driven, reactive aggression is characterized by hot blood, impulsivity, and uncontrollable rage. Scholars have pointed to the distinction between murder (committed with malice aforethought) and manslaughter (enacted in the heat of passion in response to provocation) in criminal law as a reflection of the instrumental-reactive aggression dichotomy.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1081005

ok if he is not allowed to discuss premeditation and crime of passion - how can he talk about this?? i

Yes and by allowing this in, the defense is trying to get in a lesser punishment aka second degree murder....

 

[BritsKate]

he probably read it in the checkout stand at the store and decided to throw it in. seriously, what's next? an article from "us weekly"?

Just so you guys don't miss the memo:

I've decided I am now officially an expert expert. Don't argue with me. I can whip up a wiki page to prove it! :floorlaugh:

 

[seguek9]

In my paper that I am writing on diet therapies I am not allowed to quote Wikipedia!! And this is much more important.

My seventh grader cant cite or quote wikipedia either! For projects.....7th grade!!!