trial day 31: the defense continues it's case in chief #87

[LambChop]

Travis's sister Samantha, who is a police officer has to sit through this BS about JA having PTSD. What an insult to LE and our military! Disgraceful. JA is a conniving, manipulative, unusual person, who could easily pass whatever test she wish to, for her OWN benefit. :furious:

Jodi was quite aware of Travis' story about having a gun pointed at his right temple and how stressful that must have been. How ironic that she chose to do the same thing, in what she describes as the gun just going off without her pulling the trigger? jmo

 

[newsjunkie]

It's a break. We should be back any minute. . . .

 

[Isabelle]

This so called expert is a total fraud. His discussion on the limbic system is neuroanatomy 101 taught to all first year medical students.

His discussion of flight or fight involves material that is well over 50 years old.
His claim to be an expert on “memory” is laughable. The discussion on memory formation is also ELEMENTARY and taught in first year neuro courses. It can be found in any rudimentary neuroanatomy text book.

If you take 100 people who have harrowing near death experiences either from guns or traffic accidents almost 100% will vividly recall the major details. I was involved in a near fatal car accident over 10 years ago and I can remember in vivid detail the color and nature of the oncoming car to this day. Ask any soldier who is in combat what he can remember when the bullets start firing. No soldier will describe the “fog” rolling in. Police will have vivid memories of shoot outs. The details of the incident may be fuzzy or might change but the major elements of the danger are crystal clear.

JM merely needs to go to the Univ of Arizona or Arizona State and obtain the services of a neurophysiologist or a neurologist to rebut this current JA "expert"hokum.

Exactly, and if I am not mistaken, it is the memory of these events, or a similar stimulus that causes the physiological symptoms of PTSD. If there is no memory of the event, then there can be no PTSD related to the event. I had PTSD after being robbed at gunpoint more than 30 years ago, it lasted a few years, and very simple things evoked a response, even just the color kelly green would do it. I never told anyone because I thought I was just nuts, but underst.ood what was happening years later.

 

[paperwing]

This so called expert is a total fraud. His discussion on the limbic system is neuroanatomy 101 taught to all first year medical students.

His discussion of flight or fight involves material that is well over 50 years old.
His claim to be an expert on “memory” is laughable. The discussion on memory formation is also ELEMENTARY and taught in first year neuro courses. It can be found in any rudimentary neuroanatomy text book.

If you take 100 people who have harrowing near death experiences either from guns or traffic accidents almost 100% will vividly recall the major details. I was involved in a near fatal car accident over 10 years ago and I can remember in vivid detail the color and nature of the oncoming car to this day. Ask any soldier who is in combat what he can remember when the bullets start firing. No soldier will describe the “fog” rolling in. Police will have vivid memories of shoot outs. The details of the incident may be fuzzy or might change but the major elements of the danger are crystal clear.

JM merely needs to go to the Univ of Arizona or Arizona State and obtain the services of a neurophysiologist or a neurologist to rebut this current JA "expert"hokum.

I think the DT's choice and use of this expert is deliberate. They didn't obtain the services of the professionalsyou cite above (or psychiatric specialists, etc.) because they would have gotten answers that would likely help the prosecution, not the defense.

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

I went into the pizza shop and the signal cut out. Is it just a break or is it a wrap until Monday?

Did they mess up your order and possibly blacked out?

 

[Gypsy Road]

ZZZZ. This guy is boring me the utter crapola out of me. Non of this applies to JA, and nobody is going to buy it. He's insulting my intelligence and common sense. Someone text me when Juan is up. I'm off to listen to some Hendrix (as in Jimi, NOT SUSAN lol)

 

[RadarLuv]

In between flights, can someone give me a quicky synopsis?

 

[Boodles]

So what if Jodi has PTSD? What does that change? Nothing IMO. What is the purpose here, to prove that Jodi is truly in a "fog"? That doesn't change anything she did on the day of the murder, nor does it serve as an excuse to all of her lying. I don't get this at all. If DT is trying to say she has a mental disorder that is relevant, wouldn't she need to be examined by a Psychiatrist, an M.D.?

Seems that somehow they intended to tie in JA's having PTSD as a cause of her violence, i.e., the murder. Maybe I am mis-remembering. Wish I could recall why I think this is the case.

In other words, JA had PTSD from TA's prior (fictitious) abuse, along with maybe her mother hitting her with the wooden spoon, etc. So when he body slammed her, she had a PTSD violent reaction, and killed him. Then of course, she went directly into a state of transient amnesia.

I think that's where they're going.

you can't make this crap up!

 

[LotusPawprint]

My experience as a PTSD sufferer is exactly how the Dr. is explaining. However, this does not apply to JA. For her to have commited this brutal murder she would have had to experience a deep trigger to set off her rage. Triggers can incude smells, sounds, etc.

There has been no evidence presented in this case to substantiate JA with PTSD. We and the good DR. only have JA's words to go buy. No witness to any extreme traumas or abuse.

Trust me if she is a sufferer from PTSD we would have seen her show signs while on the stand. No way could she have looked at crime scene photos each time without showing signs of panic, shaking, vomiting, etc. I experienced this when I did finally look at the crime scene photos.

bbm - YES.. This is what I thought we would expect to see from someone with PTSD. I suppose they will try to explain her lack of response away by saying she's experiencing some dissociation? I guess? But I don't see how they can have it every way. They can't just diagnose every dispicable part of her character away with a DSM diagnosis. Well, I'm sure they can, but it won't fly.

 

[Curious Me]

We don't care 'bout Jodi's hippocampus.
We don't care if she's got Dissociative Stress Disorder.
We don't care about her Post Traumatic.
We don't care if she has the Fog.

Travis was in his own house, unaware of what this nasty individual was planning.
She's got Sneaky Brain, Liar Mouth, and Killer Thoughts. That's my own diagnosis. :yes:

 

[JayB12]

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...I want to draw your attention to the following condition that we, in the psychology field, refer to as CRAP.

Clinical
Recurring
Amnesia
Process

This condition is best defined as someone who, if you will, selectively chooses to have amnesia when it fits their situation. Truth be told, however, we throw the word "clinical" in there just to jazz it up a bit.

 

[Clue Finder 55]

Another pro who got his degree from a bubble gum machine

 

[DebinGA]

It is against the rules for the licensing board/commission

Why though? What's the ethical issue?

 

[mtnlife]

I soo don't get it .... anybody???????

Idk. Maybe she's trying to be coy with the gentlemen on the jury :banghead:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Wouldn't you think that diagnosis would have to come from a Psychiatrist in order for it to "fly"?

Precisely. The witness is not qualified to render a psychiatric diagnosis. JM will shred this amateurish, scripted testimony very quickly. :moo:

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I think the DT's choice and use of this expert is deliberate. They didn't obtain the services of the professionalsyou cite above (or psychiatric specialists, etc.) because they would have gotten answers that would likely help the prosecution, not the defense.

I bet they did that first! And those experts informed the Defense they could not help them, so they got paid for their time and did not turn in a report! You are right...

 

[Isabelle]

This is from Dr. Bruce Perry, a psychiatrist who does a lot of research regarding, and work with, children and trauma. He treated several of the children who were let out of the Branch Davidian compound during the whole thing that happened with the ATF.

I love this guy. He knows so much about trauma and although he works primarily with kids, his knowledge about trauma and memory applies to everyone.

It seems to contradict what Dr. Samuels is saying:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEIQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mentalhealthconnection.org%2Fpdfs%2Fperry-handout-effects-of-trauma.pdf&ei=xUtCUZS8GOW6yAGlh4HAAw&usg=AFQjCNHPze127mwz4skaKKKsTWZMFdozZg&bvm=bv.43287494,d.aWc

And, Dr. Perry is a Psychiatrist, an M.D. Dr. Samuels is not an M.D., but a PhD in his field. A big difference here especially related to education and preparation for their respective careers.

 

[mtnmom1963]

I noticed Jodi has a physical reaction when he mentioned bi-polar disorder, her hand flicks up to her mouth she notices the camera on her she adjusts her glasses then her hair. I also noticed some reaction from wilmott and nurmi when he mentioned he hand scored the ptsd test due to he didnt have the program.

 

[especiallyheather]

If you take 100 people who have harrowing near death experiences either from guns or traffic accidents almost 100% will vividly recall the major details. I was involved in a near fatal car accident over 10 years ago and I can remember in vivid detail the color and nature of the oncoming car to this day. Ask any soldier who is in combat what he can remember when the bullets start firing. No soldier will describe the “fog” rolling in. Police will have vivid memories of shoot outs. The details of the incident may be fuzzy or might change but the major elements of the danger are crystal clear.

respectfully snipped and BBM
The day my daughter died was the most traumatic, gut wrenching day of my life... and I remember EVERY. SINGLE. DETAIL. of that day down to what the nurses and doctors were wearing. I had VIVID dreams for months following, detailing every last second of that day.

JMO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I went into the pizza shop and the signal cut out. Is it just a break or is it a wrap until Monday?

We're on afternoon break. More Arias BS to come.