trial day 34: the defense continues it's case in chief #98

[paperwing]

Yes it is.

And having gone thru the exhausting pain of infertility, I am so sensitive to families who are waiting for their blessings.

Aaaaaand to bring this back OnT:

I feel like Jodi could have easily turned the oral/anal party into a full on vaginal/ejaculatory shindig with minimal effort. And perhaps she did. Only two people REALLY know and one has been murdered.

But even if she HAD managed to get TA to ejaculate into her erm, vagina, there is no guarantee she'd come up with two blue lines. Unless this is a Lifetime movie.....

Frayed... no, I don't know - personally - what going through that is like, but I will say that I sooo sympathize and feel for those who do with every fiber of my being, every part of my soul... to the extent that I can. I don't know how I'd cope... One aspect about it that bothers me is how others feel like it's appropriate to ask a couple (or a person!) when they're going to have a kid already! For someone struggling with fertility problems, that has to just make it that much more painful. And there seems to be a societal stigma that is just wrong. Okay, I'd better shut up on this now and try to get back o/t too:

Re: JA ever being pregnant (or rather, having a child) who knows if she's been pregnant or not besides JA herself -

Only three words come to mind whenever this comes up:

Munchausen's by Proxy (sp?). I don't know if it would clinically fit her (psychopath/sociopath imv), but she would not have the capability to nurture - except to receive external accolades... which leads me to making the stretch as seeing her taking it further (to get money - SS/Disability, sympathy, attention, etc.). I don't think she'd hesitate harming anyone if she thought she'd benefit from it personally).

I would not be comfortable with JA being responsible or the guardian/parent of *any* child and I honestly don't see her understanding the blessing that having a child through whatever means... really is. Or the blessing that IS the child him/herself. That component is missing in her imv.

((hugs))

 

[Hatfield]

BBM

Very well said. Those things are infuriating. I HOPE the jury does realize the pedophilia carp is BS. How could they not? But I do know ONE person who actually believes it. :furious:

This person who believes it is related to my sons fiance. Since we are all planning their upcoming wedding together, I cannot dare argue with her about it. So I sit in an awkward silence. :shutup:

I know the feeling. But in my case I could openly argue the case and after qutie a few knock down drag out "court sessions" i think I have finally convinced my other juror. :floorlaugh:

My winning argument that finally brought them around was. "And what makes you believe she is telling the truth "?

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

No, Juan could not longer question this witness.
State witness: state does direct, DT crosses
Defense witness: opposite
In this case the juror questions are debated by the attorneys depending on whose witness it was.
After the DT has called all of it's witness in the CIC (Case in Chief). the state will mount a rebuttal - state has last say, since they have the burden of proof.
'Then it goes to the jury, and through more processes if guilt is found.

Thank you - My husband is a retired atty in the State of Alabama. Every time I ask him a question, he says, "It depends on what the law is in Arizona". He was surprised to find out that the jurors are allowed to ask questions of every witness.

 

[LaneGirl]

Are the stipulations for finding a verdict of guilty of Premeditation (1st degree) the same in Arizona as Florida? Keep hearing the legal pundits debating the issue as if premed will only apply if it is proven she left on trip with intention of killing Travis...

I recall us debating the issue during the Caylee Anthony trial of exactly WHEN does Premeditation kick in, and it was stated by Hornsby (?) that premeditation can occur minutes before the actual crime occurs, as long as the jury believes the defendant acted with the intention of killing, (as opposed to intention to injure that results in death)?

If so, no doubt 1st Degree applies since crime involved a gunshot, 29 stab wounds and near decapitation....case closed!

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Best explained by an attny.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

And it is this issue with the stalking (tire slashing) that infuriates :furious: me so!!

The judge would not allow this evidence into trial as it was "too prejudicial" against Jodi (even though it happened....THREE times??) but on the other hand, Jodi can make ANY accusation against Travis, including the ridiculous pedophilia claim, without Travis being able to refute her claims!

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

We need to clean up our court systems!

It's ridiculous .. shouldn't a trial be about what actually happened, wouldn't we be much more interested to hear a psychologist discuss what it was that made Jodi such a stalker, why she ended up with such major issues, what really happened in her life, what was her real brain functioning. A jury may have genuine sympathy for a true story as well, some of us might too. But no, the trial is about absolute nonsense that has nothing to do with what really happened, all this BS about about pedophilia etc etc etc.

I know this is Jodi's own doing, but it is ridiculous. A trial should be about what really happened. I hope someone will do an insightful book one day that discusses the real psychological issues at play here.

And yes, a DT can make up any nonsense it seems and hope to convince a jury, it should be illegal to call a dead man a pedophile at trial without evidence, as it should be to accuse a father of covering up an accidental drowning and of being a sex abuser when he did neither, but hey it's all about the rights of the murderer it seems and nobody else.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

10:30 AZ time tomorrow - don't be late - it's going to be good!!

This is 12:30 CENTRAL TIME

 

[Kentjbkent]

I thought she didn't allow it because it couldn't be proven that it was Jodi?

Well, where is the proof that Travis had access to pictures of little boys???

 

[OldCarGal]

I love EggTreeNews a Parody Blog, I followed it through the Casey Anthony Trial

From Casey to Jodi

http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/new-bathit-crazy-sociopath-hits-crazy-bats/

About Doc Sam on the 14th
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/boss-hogg-impersonator-says-jodis-stressed-out-you-guys/

About Doc Sam yesterday
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/boss-hogg-gets-lost-in-the-fog/

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I don't believe there is a re-cross in AZ, but someone said it was actually up to the judge. I haven't seen one in this trial, has anyone seen a re-cross?

The option for re-cross came with the actual defendant taking the stand. DT - direct
Juan - cross, DT re-direct, since it's their witness.
If nurmi had brought up something new on re-direct, and Juan wanted to question her about it, he would have had to have gotten the judges's blessing first.
But we went right on to juror questions.

 

[LaneGirl]

People in my family (male) feel the same way. A big reason why I am nervous.

I am surrounded by very opinionated people, it can be tough.

Everytime I get nervous I go read the jury questions to JA. Makes me feel better.

 

[Schuby]

Well, where is the proof that Travis had access to pictures of little boys???

I know, but, as much as it may feel like it, he is not actually the one on trial.

 

[Kensie]

Thank you - My husband is a retired atty in the State of Alabama. Every time I ask him a question, he says, "It depends on what the law is in Arizona". He was surprised to find out that the jurors are allowed to ask questions of every witness.

I am in AL too.. War Eagle!!

 

[paperwing]

We have learned that AZ tax payer has paid over $800,000 for the JA defense.
HLN and other networks are making a fortune off this trial.

Therefore I propose that AZ state bill HLN and other networks covering this trial a JA appearance fee of at least $100,000 per week. I also think AZ should move to get copyright and trademark rights for anything related to Jodi Arias.

HLN devotes at least 5- 8 hours/day on this trial and charges its corporate advertisers per minute. Let the taxpayer who is bankrolling this circus get the return on investment.

Jumping off your hypothetical - I'd want to add that any/all AZ taxpayers could forfeit their 'return' in whole or in part - to be given to the Alexander family and/or any victim's rights program or fund of their choosing - or both.

And that a significant percentage of any/all future book/tv/movie proceeds required to have the same standard. (Just dreaming out loud... )

 

[Angelina Frost]

Well, where is the proof that Travis had access to pictures of little boys???

Unfortunately, it's her testimony. Her testimony is evidence. Any juror with half a brain will see right through it though. When LE did a sweep of all computers and other electronic devices, NOTHING was found. Not even in the deleted files.

Since the advent of the internet, how many documented pedophiles have been popped with NO images on their computer? It doesn't happen.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Thank you - My husband is a retired atty in the State of Alabama. Every time I ask him a question, he says, "It depends on what the law is in Arizona". He was surprised to find out that the jurors are allowed to ask questions of every witness.

As an observer, I LOVE the fact that the jurors are able to question. I've heard it debated, though, and it seems to be a nightmare for the attorneys on BOTH sides, since they have no control over the questions.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I love EggTreeNews a Parody Blog, I followed it through the Casey Anthony Trial

From Casey to Jodi

http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/new-bathit-crazy-sociopath-hits-crazy-bats/

About Doc Sam on the 14th
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/boss-hogg-impersonator-says-jodis-stressed-out-you-guys/

About Doc Sam yesterday
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/boss-hogg-gets-lost-in-the-fog/

LMAO, have only read one so far, but this is hilarious...Thanks for sharing!

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I am in AL too.. War Eagle!!

In Mobile, AL!

 

[Kentjbkent]

I know, but, as much as it may feel like it, he is not actually the one on trial.

Sometimes, I gotta wonder....:furious:

 

[CourtsInSession]

:

Trading houses would be fine, but what about the weather. I can barely handle 40 degree weather for the few months we get it, I would have to live like a bear in the winter up there.

You poor baby! We'd be in Heaven if our weather only got to a low of 40 degrees. Hubby was shoveling snow here yesterday. I've only gone out of the house 3 times since Christmas to get my hair trimmed. I don't do winter!
Fill the freezer at end of October and hibernate for the winter. I don't even come out for the groundhog. He can see his shadow without me. I must say, I have found my own way to conserve gas in the vehicle, stay home.

 

[gngr~snap]

It's ridiculous .. shouldn't a trial be about what actually happened, wouldn't we be much more interested to hear a psychologist discuss what it was that made Jodi such a stalker, why she ended up with such major issues, what really happened in her life, what was her real brain functioning. A jury may have genuine sympathy for a true story as well, some of us might too. But no, the trial is about absolute nonsense that has nothing to do with what really happened, all this BS about about pedophilia etc etc etc.

I know this is Jodi's own doing, but it is ridiculous. A trial should be about what really happened. I hope someone will do an insightful book one day that discusses the real psychological issues at play here.

And yes, a DT can make up any nonsense it seems and hope to convince a jury, it should be illegal to call a dead man a pedophile at trial without evidence, as it should be to accuse a father of covering up an accidental drowning and of being a sex abuser when he did neither, but hey it's all about the rights of the murderer it seems and nobody else.

The "good Dr" gave her that test for a reason. He knew she was nutz!
He may not admit it but IMO he knew.
I can't wait for the REAL story... if I ever hear it.