trial day 36: the defense continues its case in chief #105

[Ammonitida]

BBM OMG! Tell me that isn't so. That shows bias right there. I have always been offended that it is called 'Battered Women Syndrome.' The men who are abused are excluded from that syndrome. WHY??????????

imo

It is so, I'm afraid. It's the typical downplaying -- that the abuse is not as severe and it doesn't follow the same pattern of control. While that may be true to some extant, it still shows bias to write an article like that, even more so that it's her only article I could find on the subject of DV involving men as victims.

 

[DebinGA]

8-25-11 DT needs a replacement for their sick expert.
5-18-12 DT says ALV will take over, but only in the mitigation phase.
10-25 DT announces ALV will now argue during CIC


5 months to change her mind

Aha! I bet in the mitigation phase Papa Arias would have been the featured abuser with Mom Arias a close second. Samuels said Jodi told him all the Arias kids were loved except her. I bet Ms. LaViolette will now focus on how Jodi viewed how Travis treated her through the lens of her childhood rejection.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Good evening everyone!
:seeya:

Watching HLN.....and notice the defense has progressed to the DV expert.

Now will have to catch up as to what happened with Samuels....perhaps NG will cover some of that.

Oh then you've miss the performance of a vapid blowhard banging his hand on the stand and his total disdain for Juan in front of the jury. And Juan banging his desk and say bang that thing.

 

[Southern_Meadow]

Jean C just said ALV testifies more for prosecution than defense in trials. Um, didn't she say on the stand that she had been an expert for the defense side in 16 cases and 9 for prosecution. Last I checked that equaled 7 more for defense. :facepalm: She's in Arizona, in the courtroom every day and still can't get it right.

 

[G&AMom]

I just realized Samuels is off the stand. I think I need a Cat Scan...

Looking for your hippocampus? I think we've all misplaced ours at this point.

 

[josie1986]

Per NG, two of LaViolette's former clients

em wow?:fence:

 

[ButForFortune]

I am on the fence about this witness - let's wait and see.

She seems as though her career has really been about battered women. I don't think she will be as combative with Juan when he cross-examines her and brings out some of the salient points pertaining to Jodi's lack of fear of men.

IMO I believe she will concede the ridiculousness of some of what Jodi has done - the "grinding" on a Ryan Burns (practically a stranger to her) less than 24 hours after commiting murder, being willing to go on a camping trip with a group of barely known men, having had anal sex with at least three men (they weren't all batterers forcing her to do it), initiating most of the sex on the sex tape, confronting men she was broken up with, her own stalking behaviour, etc. Even the premeditation - most battered women go back to the men because they are begged. Travis did not beg her. He didn't even invite her.

 

[Dicey]

Whispering to JW earlier today when the good Doc was on the stand.

They are beginning to looked like twins now.
:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[G&AMom]

It is so, I'm afraid. It's the typical downplaying -- that the abuse is not as severe and it doesn't follow the same pattern of control. While that may be true to some extant, it still shows bias to write an article like that, even more so that it's her only article I could find on the subject of DV involving men as victims.

I didn't think it was nearly that bad. She did downplay the idea of women as abusers. The article was very scholarly IMO and she was mostly laying out facts supported by statistics.

It certainly is possible that ALV is biased, but I haven't seen enough yet to decide.

 

[LambChop]

commspecialist wrote:

...And some of us have/had gay parents and loved ones :seeya: I think WS is better than this - I don't think anyone (here) will go there...

Why is this an issue, I don't get it? I agree comments are unnecessary about her personal life. I'd like to hear what she has to say. I do think Travis was more of a candidate for DV than Jodie was. She kept him on a short lease by way of sex. You can see he liked what they were doing and was very unlikely to turn her away if she showed up at the door.

Can she diagnose Jodi? And again all the information will be coming from Jodi unless ALV spoke with the Travis' family and friends.

One thing I did pick up on was ALV mentioned her children twice in reference to her having to work and JM had to object. If she has the experience she claims to have testifying in court she knew not to mention them a second time but did it anyway. That leads me to believe it was deliberate and not a mere accident on her part or slipup. jmo

 

[STEADFAST]

Money!

Exactly! MONEY is the answer to every question about these experts. I don't believe Dr. Whatshisname was hoodwinked by Jodi, he was just saying what he was getting paid to say. It will be the same with this woman, too, if she wants to have any more defense clients. She can't exactly get up there and tell the truth and expect to get paid.

 

[Ammonitida]

I didn't think it was nearly that bad. She did downplay the idea of women as abusers. The article was very scholarly IMO and she was mostly laying out facts supported by statistics.

It certainly is possible that ALV is biased, but I haven't seen enough yet to decide.

That's why I pointed out that it's her only article on the subject -- one that downplays men as victims. That's what shows bias IMO.

 

[Hatfield]

BBM OMG! Tell me that isn't so. That shows bias right there. I have always been offended that it is called 'Battered Women Syndrome.' The men who are abused are excluded from that syndrome. WHY??????????

imo

Thank you for this post. I dont think people realize how common the flip side of the coin can be.

I know of quite a few men that are in mildly abusive relationships mainly of the verbal abuse kind. The women that dominate them are very controlling and it is very sad to witness the "put downs" and demeaning remarks. It seems like the women enjoy to put down their SOs in a public setting with mean hurtful remarks sometimes disguised in a joking manner.

The type of men I know that are in these relationships choose to be submissive and they remain silent and just "take it" because I am sure they know if they publicly argued or threw a nasty comment back at their SOs, then they would feel their wrath when they got home.

 

[Ransom]

I wonder how much NG gets paid.

NG isn't testifying in this case.:seeya:

 

[LambChop]

I am on the fence about this witness - let's wait and see.

She seems as though her career has really been about battered women. I don't think she will be as combative with Juan when he cross-examines her and brings out some of the salient points pertaining to Jodi's lack of fear of men.

IMO I believe she will concede the ridiculousness of some of what Jodi has done - the "grinding" on a Ryan Burns (practically a stranger to her) less than 24 hours after commiting murder, being willing to go on a camping trip with a group of barely known men, having had anal sex with at least three men (they weren't all batterers forcing her to do it), initiating most of the sex on the sex tape, confronting men she was broken up with, her own stalking behaviour, etc. Even the premeditation - most battered women go back to the men because they are begged. Travis did not beg her. He didn't even invite her.

How about bringing a gun and two knives on a camping trip???? Why would you ever consider going if you did not know these men that well, or could not trust them?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It is so, I'm afraid. It's the typical downplaying -- that the abuse is not as severe and it doesn't follow the same pattern of control. While that may be true to some extant, it still shows bias to write an article like that, even more so that it's her only article I could find on the subject of DV involving men as victims.

I certainly hope that Juan brings this article up.

I don't believe that the abuse is not as severe. That's the problem...when it happens to a man the suffering and affects of abuse are downplayed. That is flat out wrong.

IMO

 

[panthera]

I am glad some of you like her, but the first thing that comes to my mind are the therapists that were able to convince those preschool children that they were abused, when in fact they were not.
I am not going to tell you what my second thought is. I don't want to be labled politically incorrect. I will leave that to the braver ones.

Not that JA needed any convincing, but she may be able to convince a jury that JA was abused.

On second thought, maybe not

So NG just said that ALV based her findings on what JA told her. How is any kind of accuracy even possible when JA lies, and lies, and lies??? And so far I haven't heard anything other than her credentials.

:banghead:

Juan is going to have a field day with this witness.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Ok, I kinda like this lady.

*ducking from rotten tomatoes*

Are you still going to like her when she testifies that in her professional opinion, TA was a pedophile and an abusive boyfriend?

 

[SmoothOperator]

What an improvement over Dr. Quack! Her courtroom experience is rather limited - 15 cases for the defense, 9 for the prosecution. The Arias case will definitely be a feather in her cap! There's only one glaring problem here: the victim in this case is deceased - murdered in cold blood by the psychopath Dr. V. mistakenly believes was a 'battered woman'! Oh dear, this could get ugly!

and there in lies the problem..the victim has been slaughtered.. and there is no other victim involved in this trial..try as they may IMO the fact remains the only victim that there ever was WRT this relationship IS DEAD..and not only dead, but dead at the hands of the monster whose now been attempted to be portrayed as a victim..moo is its disgusting..but what's new with this trial?..nothing..IMO a deceased victim whose physical body was slaughtered has been once again slaughtered in this courtroom ..and once again its at the hands of the monster, the defendant.

 

[LambChop]

NG isn't testifying in this case.:seeya:

This may be true but I keep hearing the chicken dance when I read your posts.