trial day 36: the defense continues its case in chief #106

[Novice Seeker]

I know it is frustrating but it is worth pointing out that this entire Trial is an e ercersize in Travis' rights. That's what we're doing here. Redressing the fact that his rights were violated by the defendant. When people get upset about the money being spent on the trial, what they are actually saying is that Travis' death isn't worth this kind investment in justice.

No, IMO everyone is upset about the amount of money being spent on a murderer for experts who are willing to support her malicious, despicable accusations and defend/justify why she murdered another human in such a heinous way.

 

[missgulfsouth]

I am wondering if it could be to not give the illusion of Jodi flirting with the lawyer? She whispers and leans in, giggles and jokes with the attorney. It might give an impression to the jury as flirtation.

I thought the very same thing. She's a sick one, that.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

The fact that Jodi moved out of her family home and moved in with a boyfriend at age 15 is very telling to m

Jodi's mother was the main parent trying to discipline the children and here lies the issue between them. Jodi resented her. Usually when you become an adult, you look back at your childhood and realize what you did to deserve the punishment. Usually you agree that your parents did the best they could do. Jodi never grew up to appreciate her mother. I don't want to hear about the "wooden spoon" story because I was spanked and hit much worse than she was. My mother did the best she could do trying to raise 6 children who could be out of control at times.

I DO have compassion (or is it sympathy) for Jodi's mother. She let her leave the home at 15 because she was tired of dealing with an out of control teenager.

Hi Crciket,

Yes, in the good old days parent's actually were allowed to strike their children:what:

I was 6 when I lost my father, and had ADD---I was a handful, and my mother actually used a belt:what:

She did not use it often but we had many arguements about

 

[ElleElle]

What about suicide actions?

Such as the supposed wrist slit with the razor.... that's not suicidal?

Most jails do a suicide risk assessment when inmates are booked in. Then they are reassessed periodically.
Most of the scoring is dependable on the inmates answers to the questions. Depending on the score it would determine how often they were checked and where they were housed and how.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Is it normal for a defendant to not have a lawyer on either side of them? FCA was flanked on either side and so were most of the defendants in trials I have watched. JA is on the end, with only JW at her side. It seems weird to me. Nurmi looks like he tries to be as far away from JA as possible. Any thoughts?

IMO they want no blockage from the signal that would activate her stun belt if necessary! Lol


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[cecybeans]

I know it is frustrating but it is worth pointing out that this entire Trial is an e ercersize in Travis' rights. That's what we're doing here. Redressing the fact that his rights were violated by the defendant. When people get upset about the money being spent on the trial, what they are actually saying is that Travis' death isn't worth this kind investment in justice.

I respectfully disagree. Of course Travis (and any other victim) is worth the investment. However, it is a travesty of justice when a defendant and her team can waste time and money on an irrelevant, erroneous and narcissistic rant of a defense that is nothing more than an uncorroborated character assassination of the victim. She has the right to claim it was self-defense, but her testimony better back up the evidence found at the crime scene and it just doesn't come anywhere near. Instead the jury was held hostage for weeks to a litany of self-serving lies and inflated, unsupported claims, an epic and unnecessary recounting of her life story, and "expert" witnesses who have stretched the substance of her behavior to breaking to attempt to support a claim of PTSD or abuse.

The same stuff happened in the Anthony trial. Re-victimizing another person with uncorroborated swill. I think it's the job of the defense to save their client's life, but not at the expense of the victim. Ever. Save the mitigating garbage for the sentencing phase and just stick to the actual evidence for the rest of it.

The defendant said on tape that if she ever hurt Travis she'd deserve the death penalty. Well, let's just take her word for that then because she has certainly admitted to this brutal and horrific crime.

 

[kkdj]

Not if no one knew about it, apparently neither Dr. S nor her attorney took it seriously (or cared) enough to report it to the prison. Which I think is funny by the way, and somewhat telling.

Narcissm and being suicidal don't seem to exist together IMO.
And I absolutely believe Jodi is a narcissist.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I wonder if nudist's have nightmares about wearing clothes? AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!:facepalm:

Roflmao! Love it!


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[Diva]

Can anyone lead me to the trial schedule? I forgot to bookmark it. TIA!

 

[JSR]

Not only is there no proof of abuse, there's no proof that Travis is the one who made the shirt and underwear. I'm sure JA made those herself.

I'm actually pretty certain she had them made as well. I don't think Travis had them made at all. It's likely she had the garments made after she killed Travis.

 

[carnnell]

:floorlaugh: As a researcher, look at who are the subjects! Perhaps homeless drug addicts/prostitutes that have been incarcerated and using memory loss as a defense?

Just saying, the ol' adage is "give me what you want to prove, and I can give you the stats to prove it". Unfortunately, most folks and talking heads (and Dr. $) just read the synopsis, and not the details. (I need me some JoyPath here, lol!)

No way I attributed that stuff in the article to Arias aka Details Arias has a memory problem UNTIL it comes to the horrific part of her crime..

I just responded to the article. hahahahha who knows I read it but not enough investment to critically analyze the article.

Thanks for critical analysis that I didn't do especially while I read it so early this morning while I was barely awake too lol My memory loss lack of coffee hahahahha

 

[Linda7NJ]

Such a bad morning to wake up too. Knox's acquittal was overturned and more character trashing is in store for today's testimony. I hate following trials. I hate how I get emotionally involved with them. I so want my hippocampus to shrink. I want to forget about this case, but I can't.

I'm glad Knox verdict was overturned but ill save that for when this trials over and I jump on that thread!


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[Clue Finder 55]

Abuse, Premeditation and Aggravating Circumstances
First the abuse claim, Jodie’s defense team is trying to show abuse from Travis which is a stretch to believe in any normal thinking mind.
The abuse claim, the defense will try to show that Jodi by dropping Travis’s camera made Travis angry enough to verbally threaten Jodie with the words kill you ***** as according to her he said as he came out of the shower then he grabbed her by the crotch and body slammed her.
This in itself is very doubtful at best as she received no injuries. She said the wind was knocked out of her then that part was never heard again.
She also said that her head was banged on the floor at this time to but once again she was not incapacitated and able to run.
The defense team has to come up with an abuse claim in order to make an attack by Travis plausible by showing that he was capable of flying into a rage.
I find it hard to believe that anyone body slammed onto a hard tile floor would not receive serious injury.
The story about a previous time Travis had chocked her out and another he had kicked her in the ribs and she put up her hands to defend herself and her ring finger was broken from a kick.
One has to remember that there is absolutely no evidence that any of this ever happened other than coming from the mouth of a proven liar.
I also find it ironic that the term (choking out and body slammed) are terms used in wrestling and ultimate fighting that Travis liked to watch on TV.

Premeditation
The term premeditation means that a person when attacking another and causing death, did cause the death of the person being attacked who was no longer a threat and the one doing the attack could have retreated but instead chose to continue the attack knowing that by doing so would cause death.
The fact that either Travis was shot first or last should not have any bearing as if he was shot first he did not die from the gunshot.
The time it took to get a knife to do the stabbing after the gun shot to the head was enough time to reflect on the fact that by stabbing him multiple times and cutting his throat would cause his death.
A gunshot wound to the head would likely be enough to incapacitate him and even if it wasn’t the stab wounds he received were and by slashing his throat was way beyond neutralizing an attacker where she could have retreated.
If the event happened the other way around it would still be the same results.
Another oddity is according to Jodie after Travis was shot in the head and he was on the floor grabbing at her clothes he yelled at her once again the phrase (kill you *****).
I think it would be highly unlikely to use the exact same phrase he supposedly used when coming out of the shower the again after he was shot in the head.
After having a bullet travel through your skull I think the chances of using the exact same phrase (kill you *****) would be highly unlikely.

Aggravating Circumstances
Heinous- heinous: hatefully or shockingly evil: grossly bad; cruel: disposed to inflict pain esp. in a wanton, insensate or vindictive manner: sadistic; depraved: marked by debasement, corruption, perversion or deterioration.
This means such things as cutting the throat to near decapitation.
Especially “Cruel
To find that a victim suffered mental anguish or physical pain, the Court must find beyond a reasonable doubt that (1) the victim was conscious during at least some portion of the crime and that (2) the defendant knew or should have known that the victim would suffer
As to physical pain, the victim does not need to be conscious for “each and every wound” inflicted for cruelty to apply
Physical pain may be found where a conscious victim physically suffered for at least a short period of time
Travis Alexander would have suffered from each and every stab wound as he was alive for a period of time.
The Six Gretzler/Ross Factors: The Court initially delineated five factors to be considered in determining whether the defendant's state of mind was "especially heinous or depraved": (1) whether the defendant apparently relished the murder; (2) whether the defendant inflicted gratuitous violence on the victim; (3) whether the defendant needlessly mutilated the victim; (4) the senselessness of the crime; and (5) the helplessness of the victim

Gratuitous Violence
The gratuitous violence factor focuses on the intent of the killer as evidenced by his actions.
The fact finder must consider the killer’s intentional actions to determine whether he acted with the necessary vile state of mind. The state must make two showings. The state must first show that the defendant
Did, in fact, use violence beyond that necessary to kill. The state must also show that the defendant continued to inflict violence after he knew or should have known that a fatal action had occurred.

I think in summing up here the prosecution will have no problem proving premeditation with facts alone.
The defense has very little in the way of facts to base their case on other than verbal testimony that have come from the mouth of Jodi Arias about three different scenarios as
to how the murder occurred.
The jury has to find beyond a reasonable doubt her guilt.
This does not mean there can me no doubt but that to a reasonable doubt.
Many murderers have been convicted of premeditated murder with much less facts than the Jodi Arias case has produced.
I have faith that the jurors in this case will make the right decision which will be guilty as charged.

 

[ElleElle]

Yes, this one will kick into fast gear once JA gets DP.

I need to read up on more evidence on A. Knox; to me she knows more than she claims. my :twocents: only.

Such a bad morning to wake up too. Knox's acquittal was overturned and more character trashing is in store for today's testimony. I hate following trials. I hate how I get emotionally involved with them. I so want my hippocampus to shrink. I want to forget about this case, but I can't.

 

[Softail]

I have a question - I missed the very beginning of this trial. Did not see the ME testify.
Why is there discrepancy as to the gun vs. knife first theory? Is it solely based on expert ME testimony vs. lying liar that lies saying the gunshot happened first?

I did too. Went back and watched the ME last week. If you have time, I would suggest watching it. I thought he did a great job explaining the wounds. :twocents:

 

[raisincharlie]

Is it normal for a defendant to not have a lawyer on either side of them? FCA was flanked on either side and so were most of the defendants in trials I have watched. JA is on the end, with only JW at her side. It seems weird to me. Nurmi looks like he tries to be as far away from JA as possible. Any thoughts?

I don't blame Nurmi for wanting to be as far away from her as possible.

Without joking, I think the strategy is to make the visual seem that Jodi no longer trusts males, even when trying to save her sorry butttt.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Suicide, my :butthead:, she's too vain. I bet she just used that to get her way and to manipulate people.

Bingo!


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[kscornfed]

But Jodi was never questioned about these allegations. As to the allegations Jodi and her DT have made in court there has been no witness's or evidence to support these charges. To accuse someone of being a pedophile, IMO, there needs to be corroborating evidence before it can be utilized as part of anyone's strategy.

that would be nice, wouldn't it? it seems this is what defense attorneys do these days. and as we saw in the CA trial, it can work too. just throw out there that george molested his daughter, who then became a liar and lived in a fantasy world. oh, and george threw his granddaughter's body in the woods like trash. NO corroboration whatsoever. NONE.

this is the same thing. the ONLY person saying this about TA is the defendant. with all the lies the jury knows she's told---even to their faces---this SHOULD be a no-brainer. anything she says that's not corroborated, they can simply disregard. that's what i'd want to do as a juror.

other than admitting she killed him, what has she told the truth about? is it worth sifting through the pile of lies to find something? and then would you ever know for sure? i don't think so. and that would make this case far easier for me, because i'd toss out every word the defendant has said from day one.

 

[SCSam]

Well, she'd have to have a passport to go. And, if she was a minor, I would think her parents would have to sign off on that. Not sure they would with her track record... :twocents:

Every time I find myself getting ready to snatch a was of my hair out, I try to remember that 99.999% of every word out of JA's mouth is a big fat lie.... unless I have seen evidence in court to prove the veracity of her statement.

 

[neesaki]

I love Mike Eyelash.

That's what my brain always says when I try to say his name. :floorlaugh:

I like him too, for some reason he reminds me a little of Seinfeld.