trial day 37: the defense continues its case in chief #109

[mikeysmommom]

People tend to become psychologists because they want to help people, they care about them, and want to make a difference.

Some yes but I find a lot have very bad problems in their own families or themselves,that is also why a lot go into this profession.

 

[paperwing]

I just saw that a minute ago - it makes perfect sense. Of course it doesn't make any kind of sense for a normal person, but for a narcissist it fits like a glove; or a straight jacket; or prison blues.

Actually a schoolmate of mine, M, taught us this too - her mum was an actress (but she didn't know her - really troubled girl - uber rich and miserable... I remember sleeping over one night and she ran around in her nightgown almost singing, "I want to to die!!" (of hunger). She was thin. Really thin. Already. She had to be hospitalized between 7th and 8th grade for anorexia - before anyone knew what anorexia was.

We all did headstands because, heck, her mum was an actress.... so we all thought it would make us beautiful... It made us look like ourselves, only flushed.

Just googled my schoolmate - her dad died in town, her mum - died so young. Ugh.

Sorry, Mark E. the headstand move was about as unusual as Love's BabySoft (or in our group, Rive Gauche). Docksiders, Levis, Brooks Brothers shirts - ALL of us. One schoolmate brought her pet cheetah to school (you read that right - cheetah, as in: really big spotted cat on a chain - held by 7th grader. They're in the yearbook... who DOES that!? Oh right. Awesome education, despite the snobbery and Apex predator pets.

JA may have picked this up from old movies... I know she didn't run in the same circles as the girl I mention above (I knew her by default - my mum taught at the day school and everyone was really rich - except the teachers' kids).

Memories... I hope M and E and S are happy and healthy today... I know they're not struggling for funds, but so many of their parents equated wealth with parenthood... and like M, half of the kids were starved for their parents' ability to say "Hi", much less be in the same country other than Switzerland for Christmas. Yeek. And I got the same education for the price of lunch (which was about $70 bucks/year, plus I got to have breakfast and dinner with my parents every day...(but I was so envious of kids that rode school buses! Hey, thanks, Mom!).

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Wow she was supervised by an abuser!

I suspect that patient may have sued the psychologist only because he stopped having sex with her, not the fact that he did. She wouldn't be the first.

 

[snowcat]

I don't believe Travis ever called her Pollyanna...that is something my grandma would say.

Probably her gramma called her that

ita, Pollyanna, is up there with her "courting me" carp. Jodi's been reading books in jail but they're terribly out of date!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I wish I could change my mind, but nobody is offering me enough to trade in the current one. :sigh:



Thanks, I won't watch now. I have a feeling that stuff like that will blow up in the defenses face!

Oh, you're not a . You don't live in NJ.

:floorlaugh:

:truce:





I actually find it very easy to believe that she never interviewed Jodi. IMO, if she had interviewed Jodi, she wouldn't be sitting on that stand.



Don't help her. Beeshie knows what she did. :snooty:

I'm still waiting for an answer too.

Was there any other reason you found Australia so endearing?



:waiting:

Hey! I live in New Jersey! I'm not a ...a retired ...maybe...blushing...

 

[snowcat]

I think that our stealth lion is lying in wait. He doesn't need to object to any of this stuff, because seriously? it's providing anyone with any doubt very clear evidence of who was actually abusive in this relationship. He trusts this jury. And the jury has to understand that by now--which attorney credits them with being able to add 1 + 1, and which attorney sing-songs everything and puts it on a chart for them.

And IMO, JM fully understands that his "bulldog" persona won't work with this witness. When his time comes, I think we will witness a rather gentle dismantling & flipping of a defense expert, except for areas where ALV stupidly refuses to relent in her trashing of TA. If she keeps that up, she might see and feel the teeth.

:cow:

post of the day for me!

 

[gcharlie]

I'm reading the recap of the day's testimony on HLN... and I'm a bit confused. Is it just me or does ALV seem to think Travis was the abused one? The stuff she said about "terrorism" and stalking behavior being one of the worst form of domestic violence seemed to describe JA's behavior, not Travis'. And the abusing animals bit... that's also JA.

What she said about victims of domestic violence do not like to talk about sexual abuse is like the complete opposite of JA. She took so much joy rambling on and on about her sexual escapades all while trying to claim it was not something she wanted.

Everything she said about controlling and being obsessed... that was all JA! Nobody has ever said Travis behaved that way, ever! Do you think ALV will just lay out what she thinks domestic abuse looks like, and not actually SAY that Travis abused JA?

If she is an ethical and professional woman who believes in her work and stands behind what she does, she will not claim JA as a victim of domestic violence. What a complete slap in the face that would be to the people that she has made her life's mission to help. I hope she does the right thing.

ALV is testifying as an expert witness for the DT, so she is answering questions being posed to her by them and is answering in very general terms. There was one hypothetical question asked which fit TA's background to a tee and her answer implied that he could be an abuser.

Her testimony has been a primer in DV and she did a good job in the first part, explaining her continuum of abuse and aggression in relationships. Here one could easily put either TA or JA into the role of abuser, depending on what one believes. She has since been talking in such broad strokes that I think she is losing the flavor of things.

One thing that I think she has failed to really bring out is that even though someone in an abusive relationship may not tell anyone or try to hide the abuse, they do change and show behavioral signs of being abused. If you know what to look for, you can pick up on it. I was shocked when a customer of mine took me aside one day and spoke to me about my home life, telling me he knew that I was abused. I was tending bar and he had been a customer for two or three nights.

After almost 50 years of marriage and less than 5 years after my brother's death, my mother divorced my father, but not before abusing him verbally and emotionally. After about a year of this, he was literally stooped over from being spiritually crushed. I intervened, not knowing what was going on, but seeing a relationship with two people in pain. My mother told people that my father had abused her, but everyone who knew them as a couple knew this was not the case.

I participated in a support group for abused women. Believe me, when JA talked about her supposed abuse the emotion wasn't there and the descriptions lacked the intensity someone who has been abused feels when relating their story. It is something that time does not erase.

I put my trust in JM and the integrity of ALV to paint JA as the abuser. Beyond that, there may be one or more jurors who know abuse when they hear it from experience, either personally or from someone they know.

 

[pferrin]

O/T but Tasmania is Australia, isn't it? It was last January when I was there. No matter I loved Australia (and NZ but don't tell the Aussies and vice versa) . Just joking , they have their inside fun.

Yes tasmania is an island just south of Australia...beautiful gardens and the best seafood that I have ever tasted. Loved my trip.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Some yes but I find a lot have very bad problems in their own families or themselves,that is also why a lot go into this profession.

Very true...my point was..I I now realize I never actually made my point....they very often have issues with maintaining professional boundaries.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

I guess I saw it different. Look where Travis started and ended up.
Knowing JA didn't have a childhood like he did where did she end up?
At her grandparents. ~no job no home no $ no education

Now I see what you mean. About the size of the homes.
eta:
I never know... I have seen places in Seattle tiny tiny that cost more than Travis'
home...

I did not even think about "where" there house is, I don't even know the price of real estate in that part of CA. The number on that little house might shock somebody like me from down south.


Is the anywhere to see your jurors blown up?

 

[AZWatcher]

Hey! I live in New Jersey! I'm not a ...a retired ...maybe...blushing...

OMG! Love you!!

 

[gngr~snap]

For a young man he was doing very well,most likely he told JA that so she would stop asking him for money!She asked him for money a lot.He had 2 room mates most likely they paid his mortgage.No one knocked their home,it is true compared to a cramped tiny bedroom in a small house Travis had a mansion.Most likely her grandparents had downsized as most do when all children are gone and just 2 people living there. I will say I am a grandmother to a 7 yr old who I adore,I have a 4 bedroom house 9 room home I raised my kids in.His room at my house has a firetruck bed and we just got him a corvette twin bed.His whole room is a child's dream and he only is here 4 days a month. I would not have him in a room like jodi was in.She hit the jackpot with Travis but he realized she was a wackadoo but not soon enough.

Funny! Wasn't it a 4 bedroom home? Maybe the office counted as one. He NEVER offered JA one and we know he had a change of roomies!

 

[~*~PinxJinx~*~]

Lol, kinda my point. Bless his heart.

Do you know TX STILL has no helmet laws? :what:

Sorry for the OT.

Yep, there was a time in the not-too-distant past that open-container laws in vehicles didn't exist, much. The DRIVER of a vehicle could be sippin' on a bottle of Jack and washing it down with a cold Lone Star from the cooler as long as the driver wasn't legally drunk!!

 

[Lulu67]

I just woke up. I'm not feeling well again. Is there any reason I should watch the afternoon session?

Feel better soon!!

:getwell:

 

[Linda7NJ]

ita, Pollyanna, is up there with her "courting me" carp. Jodi's been reading books in jail but they're terribly out of date!

Lol I was wondering if she sleeps with a close pin on her nose attempting to narrow it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Nahhh don't apologize; you did nothing wrong. FYI, there's a very nifty tool in the forum software that can remove anyone who is annoying you so you never ever see their posts again. Highly recommended and a great sanity saver. Downright addicting.

Can you read me now?

How about now?

Lol

 

[kkdj]

Travis IMO maturity wise appears to be approx 15 years old.

I understand and agree that Travis was immature and less experienced than Jodi.
But, I guess repulsiveness, vile, untrustworthy, dangerous is what others are describing. I don't like using the word evil because some think I mean possessed and I don't believe in that from a religious aspect.
I just can't wrap my head around why Travis didn't sense what others did.
Maybe it was simply raw sexual attraction and the rest seemed off about her but he was willing to look the other way for the sex.

 

[gngr~snap]

Oh my. I clicked on it and it scared my cat. She ran out of the room like she was on fire and hasn't been seen since. :-O

ETA: that makes me abusive, right? Better call the SPCA. I was abusing my cat earlier by picking her up and kissing her. She.Was.Not.Amused.

My dog came running! He thought it was dinner time! :floorlaugh:

 

[mikeysmommom]

Amen to that! I find myself dismissing whole post that make fun of her GP home or run along the lines of suggesting she was "white trash" because of her GP's have a modest house. I mean wth, are people not aware that MOST people who live in this country ( and *gasp* the whole world) are not wealthy? Does that make them trash? I know people hate her, heck I hate her, but I just don't get that angle.

She sickens me because she murdered a man, not because she was/is poor. MOO

She murdered him because she wanted to live a pretty life without working for it so yes in this case her being poor and then rejected by Travis is a motive for her killing him.Had he lived a modest ,poor life like hers she would have just moved on to her next victim.It does have to do with her thinking.Remember she quit school at 17 and lived in a home with an older man who had a child till they were going to lose it,then she met Travis.He had a very grand house,BMW,friends and some money.So in this case I believe she wanted to move into a nice ready made life without doing a thing to earn it.

 

[garthmax]

This is expert ever evaluate Jodi?