trial day 38: the defense continues its case in chief #110

[sammie]

I dunno. Our legal experts have proffered that they believe avoidance of mistrial is exactly why JA and her posse are given so much consideration.

But IANAL, just a reader. .

True, but as others have said, this has been going on since the 90s, when Sheriff Joe took over the jail. If it were a legitimate basis for appeal, it would have been done before now.

She isn't entitled to any special treatment.

 

[Observer in AZ]

Sorry for the delay...had to get dinner on the table.

I probably should have said "discipline" rather than "supervision." I'm referring to the fact that JA kicked her dog until he ran away and never came back (?) she hit her brother over the head with a baseball bat, she kicked her mother, she didn't like the rules set down by her father so she left home at the age of 17 and moved in with her boyfriend and eventually dropped out of high school.

Is this attributable to lack of supervision or lack of discipline? I don't know...I just know there was something wrong in that household...or maybe JA is, in fact, just a bad seed and it is unfair of me to place blame on her parents. Don't know.

I think this is actually typical for BPD/Sociopathic.. I really don't think there was anything her family could probably done except put her into treatment center before she was 18..

I only say this because the left home by age 17 could have been chalked up to rebellious teenage crap. BUT the baseball bat was when she was young like under 8yrs old which was old enough to know better! Sorry but jmo 3yrs old you may not know hitting brother in head is wrong but come on at 5, 6, 7 or 8 yrs old?? No way that was 1st sign! And the kicking the dog until it ran away?? Another Sign! Add in hitting her Mother that's yet another Sign!! (I feel like Bill Engvall :floorlaugh

Sometimes hindsight is 20/20 but just remember these are the "incidents" are just the ones WE KNOW OF.. think what we don't know!!!

 

[popsicle]

NG's producer Matt always sound so breathlessly excited by every word out of his mouth. Calm down.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Sunny_In_AZ]

You've been ditching us to go to JAII?

Heck no I am banned from that site. I was posting at a site for Amanda Knox

 

[Schuby]

When my DD was 5, her first haircut was a donation to Locks of Love. I, also, had been growing my hair to donate.

They had to divide DD's super thick, curly hair into 4 ponytails to cut it. And the hair was down to her behind! :what:

Mine? One loosely contained ponytail of fine, straight hair. Barely down to my bra strap. :lol:

But that was such a neat memory! Her first haircut and for such a great cause! They even sent her a thank-you. .

I cut my hair once for locks of love. I was crazy broke and starting a new job where I would be speaking in front of hundreds of people every day. Since a lot of salons will give you a haircut for free if you donate and I wanted to lose the length anyway to look more authoritative, I figured why not?

It was short! I have always been one of those women who refuses to cry over a haircut, but I must admit, I drove home crying lol! So silly! Ah well, it's a good cause anyway.

 

[FrayedKnot]

They did. Detective Flores said they spent 3 days at the house as he didn't want to miss a thing. And they were able to link the most important fiber to JA--her hair, the root bulb intact, mixed with blood.

In Day 2 of the trial, they played Detective Flores' phone conversation with JA and at 28:40 he asks her about the edging. But legal observers blamed the prosecution in several high-profile cases for losing the jury with too much minutiae.



Now that JA has admitted she murdered Travis, what further value do you see in analyzing the fibers?

According to our legal eagles, it could mean the difference between pre meditation and crime of passion or even self defense.

Proving there was NO knife in the bedroom or bathroom would seal the deal for premeditation.

Legal folks, please correct if this is wrong, but I thought I remembered reading something to that end, by one of our lawyers.

 

[gcharlie]

I'm having a hard time accepting that the police didn't think fibers at a crime scene aren't important.

Shows like CSI can make it seem as if forensics can do miracles and I suppose we sometimes have expectations based on TV shows.

The only thing at the crime scene that they had the fibers in the bathroom to match to were the pillows in the bedroom. The detectives thought they were important enough to photograph, but they probably had nothing further to pursue.

 

[Ransom]

All true, but he was deposition'd by Juan months ago and I think something big came out during that. When he cross examined JA he mentioned Matt a few times and left it at place that gave the impression there was more to come. Also, Matt was originally on the defense witness list, now he's not. Either it was a bluff by Juan.... saying.... go ahead, call him and see what happens, or he will be on the stand during rebuttal. Personally, I think we will see him at some point.

We'll see about ole Matt.

 

[SheltieMom1]

Heck no I am banned from that site. I was posting at a site for Amanda Knox

Ok, my bad. I am banned too. :rocker::rocker:

 

[josie1986]

ok that person that called in just there on NG, saying jodi had to have help to move travis no way she could have done it.
do you honestly think of anyone else was involved jodi wouldn't be throwing them under the bus like every other person

 

[kscornfed]

The rope is the reason the knife is in the bathroom. It's crucial to the defense.

Then why didn't the defense do its own testing? They could have, as far as I know.

 

[zoozoo]

I dislike JA as much as all of you here, but if I was the sheriff I'd make sure she got more than plenty to eat while this trial is ongoing.

6 meals a day if need be. 5000 calories if she wanted.

The goal is to convict her, and after she's convicted drop her food intake to 1000 calories day day. Nobody would care.

:twocents:

Supposedly she is given 2600 cal a day - she is clearly choosing NOT to eat all those calories or she would be a lot plumper right now. The sheriff cannot force her to eat. Defense team should be careful what they ask for or she may end up with a feeding tube in getting force fed.

 

[Observer in AZ]

Sorry for the delay...had to get dinner on the table.

I probably should have said "discipline" rather than "supervision." I'm referring to the fact that JA kicked her dog until he ran away and never came back (?) she hit her brother over the head with a baseball bat, she kicked her mother, she didn't like the rules set down by her father so she left home at the age of 17 and moved in with her boyfriend and eventually dropped out of high school.

Is this attributable to lack of supervision or lack of discipline? I don't know...I just know there was something wrong in that household...or maybe JA is, in fact, just a bad seed and it is unfair of me to place blame on her parents. Don't know.

The prosecutor displayed a photo in court on the 2nd day of trial:

"Now were are back to the ‘tassels’ or threads. They are way too tiny to have been used to tie Jodi up as the defense claimed in opening argument.

OMG, prosecutor just produced a photo of throw pillows in Travis’ bedroom and sure as heck, they have tassels!!!" http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/jodi-arias-murder-trial-day-two/

Nice! GMTA huh???

 

[Miss Behavin]

That producer for Nancy Grace - his voice reminds me of Anthony Marentino (Charlotte’s wedding planner) from Sex and the City. LOL

 

[SheltieMom1]

Supposedly she is given 2600 cal a day - she is clearly choosing NOT to eat all those calories or she would be a lot plumper right now. The sheriff cannot force her to eat. Defense team should be careful what they ask for or she may end up with a feeding tube in getting force fed.

Shoot, I bet I weigh 10 lbs more than Jodi and I try to eat around half that. If I ate 2600 calories every day I would weigh 30 lbs more than her! That's a lot of calories for a small woman who gets no exercise. JMO

 

[katiewonders]

There is a difference between a migraine and a tension headache. I think in usual Jodi-fashion, she is embellishing and calling her run-of-the-mill tension headache a migraine because it sounds more serious. Just like she embellishes when she claims normal girlfriend-boyfriend arguments are horrific domestic violence.

I'm guessing JA never had any kind of headache. The defense team just doesn't want Juan to question the witness before this long weekend break.

 

[josie1986]

Ok I really need to just stick to this board. I don't know how I got myself suckered into an argument regarding Jodi's claim on self defense on another message board. I give up! I now know that these people will make excuses for everything! This is the response I got as to why Jodi filled up the gas cans before traveling to Mesa.


She did testify that she often changed plans, at one point she was thinking of going via Death Valley. She had this list of locations she wanted to visit. I haven't got to the bottom of that.

Of course she never got to take any photos, or do any of this, because Alexander persuaded her to go to his place. She didn't necessarily know interstate 10 was such an easy drive, and she was travelling at night. Another thing : she may have wanted to fill the cans before getting to Alexander's : he often asked her for money, and it would lead to trouble if she refused, so filling up her cans before she got there would make sense. Maybe she thought she might be off the main roads later. Regardless - it was pointless for her to attempt to conceal her movements in this way - just as the upside down read number plate was pointless - and would even have drawn attention

Are people really that BLIND?????? The death valley after 9pm at night. Travis would need to borrow money?? Give me a break. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

bbm

yeah because travis was totally broke and her working waiting tables made her mega loaded

(not meaning any offence to anyone who waitress's,a jobs a job in this climate)

 

[AZlawyer]

How? Where are your "known rope fibers?"

Not going round with this one any more

Who are you quoting? I never said "known rope fibers." ????

The point is, if you're going to "test" the piece of whatever to see if it's part of a "rope," you would have to have known rope fibers to test it against. There is no independent test to see if a fiber if from a rope.

So, if you had a knife known to be involved in the crime, you could test the knife for rope fibers, then test this fiber to see if it is the same. Or if you had a rope found in a dumpster with Jodi's clothes, you could test the KNOWN rope fibers against the mysterious crime scene fiber to see if there is a match.

But without known fibers, there is nothing to "match" to the unknown fiber. So nothing to test. Unless you just test to see if it matches the pillow. Which would be fine, but it wouldn't prove Jodi was lying about the rope--it would just prove that the pillows shed.

 

[FrayedKnot]

True, but as others have said, this has been going on since the 90s, when Sheriff Joe took over the jail. If it were a legitimate basis for appeal, it would have been done before now.

She isn't entitled to any special treatment.

Well I don't think anyone is arguing that.

So then there is no need to be concerned about mistrial or appeal?

Good to know, I guess. From your lips to God's ear.

I'm not convinced, however. I think this DT will try anything.

 

[sammie]

Yes, it does.

Then why are those not convicted even imprisoned while awaiting trial? Show me the law where it says convicts vs. the accused are supposed to have different conditions in jail? That's what I meant.