trial day 40: the defense continues its case in chief #119

[writer7]

Someone ask what makes a situation a domestic issue. In my opinion it's the following:

1. An unmarried couple living at the same address as a couple (ie sharing a bed etc)
2. Persons related by blood or marriage.
3. An unmarried couple who has a child in common, no matter what address they live at.

So Since JA & TA were not living together nor did they have a child in common, the murder of TA is not domestic.
OK am I close?

That's pretty good, imho.

If we are talking 'intimate partner abuse' I would add any dating (or sometimes just stalking, like with exes) relationship where the abuse is severe enough to affect the behavior of a reasonable person. In other words, if folks should be scared s***less to anger the person, reasonably, then that is in the same league even if you don't live together. Generally those folks live in the same town, but it depends on how crazy an abusive person we're talking!

Travis was a victim of intimate partner abuse/violence, imho. It didn't matter that he didn't live with JA or that he was never that committed to her.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Her poor mom. I know her mom has done some things in court that have taken away from some of the sympathy people might have had for her, but the woman is watching a trial for her daughter where she might get the DP. There has to be a way to change the world just enough so that there can be more prevention, more help for adults who are not insane, but disturbed, and an ability for family and friends to alert SOMEONE .. at the moment, there's nothing. There's nothing in Australia, I know that. Unless someone wants help for themselves, theres nothing anyone else can do. It's awful.

IMO there is no help for psychopathy. Jodi's parents would have been wasting their time and money.


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[Juli]

I'm sure this has been talked about before. If so, I missed it as I wasn't a member then. Does anybody know why Deanna Reid's name was listed as the profile name in the history of the YouTube videos searched on Travis' computer at approximately 4:00 a.m. on June 4th? Thanks!

 

[shane13]

No, I don't. You wouldn't mind filling me in?

Sure--it was also in the fine film, The Crying Game.

Scorpion asks frog for a ride on his back to cross the river. Frog says, "no--you will just sting me to death." Scorpion replies "Why would I do that, I'd die too."

Frog agrees, and halfway across, the scorpion stings the frog. Frog's dying words, "Why'd you do that, now we will both die.

Scorpion replies, "It's my nature."

 

[Linda7NJ]

No, I don't. You wouldn't mind filling me in?

I couldn't remember it either... Here ya go

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog


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[Dana]

Thank you. I only discovered my talent about five years ago. I took a class with one of my daughters and found out I could paint. But I can only paint things that interest me. JA's art is pretty, but like her: there's some spark missing.

You're right, JA's art is missing spark AND depth (feeling).
I peeked and looked at your user page.......wow, amazing art work!:rocker:

Sorry, this coming from someone who can't even do paint by number but can appreciate great art

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I just noticed something. Before the trial started this morning I had noticed that JW was holding her phone BUT just now realized that she was texting something and kept glancing at the stack of Jodi's diary entries. Hmmm....

Jodi is jonesing for a phone.

 

[Dana]

Sure--it was also in the fine film, The Crying Game.

Scorpion asks frog for a ride on his back to cross the river. Frog says, "no--you will just sting me to death." Scorpion replies "Why would I do that, I'd die too."

Frog agrees, and halfway across, the scorpion stings the frog. Frog's dying words, "Why'd you do that, now we will both die.

Scorpion replies, "It's my nature."

Thank you! I remember a similar fable like that and so true!
(I think the writer was La Fontaine or Aesop)

 

[Linda7NJ]

Bank records would IMO prove Jodi's lending money or not. Should be easy to disprove now that her journal gave a date.

I still think she stole money from him


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[Melanie]

If available is right, to find programs like that is getting harder and harder to find especially with a humongous deficit. It cost thousands to put your child or young adult in a privately funded program like that. This is the kind of problems the government has to continually cut because the taxpayers don't want to pay for it, and the normal working class person can't afford them. CPS is so over worked they just don't have the time to go around from house to house making sure every child is safe. Every time I hear they are going to cut government spending I know programs like these are the ones getting cut.

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True dat. not to get OT, but my bro's son was getting in a lot of trouble with drugs/violence. He ended up paying to send him to military school for a couple of years. Shewww -- he's grown up to be a fine man with a beautiful family.

Back in the day, there should have been a program available for JA (thinking 2004/2005). It's obvious from the parent's interrogation tapes they knew JA had issues, and they thought solving it would be to send her of to the grandparents? That kinda confuses me.

I'm sure they had no idea she would murder -- but she definitely needed some kind of help.

MOO

Mel

 

[Melanie]

Bank records would IMO prove Jodi's lending money or not. Should be easy to disprove now that her journal gave a date.

I still think she stole money from him


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Me too. I wonder if there was any cash in his wallet/house when LE searched.

shiver....

Mel

 

[Dana]

I'd seriously like to know where all of JA's money came from. I thought I read somewhere that her car was repo'ed, her bank accounts had overdrawn fees and she was paying TA for the BMW. Then she deposits money into 2 seperate bank accounts (there's that OCD 2) and has money for a road trip complete with nail salon.

 

[shane13]

Thank you! I remember a similar fable like that and so true!
(I think the writer was La Fontaine or Aesop)

You're welcome.
And the fable will be even more relevant here if her murder of TA results in the death penalty for herself too!

A delayed reaction to the sting if you will, that will have her die too.

 

[sourgrapes]

Me too. I wonder if there was any cash in his wallet/house when LE searched.

shiver....

Mel

I bet not! She probably cleaned him out after murdering him. Remember Flores commenting on Travis not really having that much money? I guess not, if JA cleaned out his accounts!

 

[pollybear]

For someone who thinks herself so intelligent and superior in all ways, she is just so transparent and STUPID.

Jumping off your post, and other posts that compared JA to Ted Bundy.
A psychiatrist hired to analyze Bundy had the following to say about him:
(all of it eerily similar to JA.)

"My impression was that it was typical behavior of a psychopath who likes to defy authority, who has a need, who is driven to defy authority - and that includes lawyers, psychiatrists, law enforcement, judges - and that was more important to him than saving his own life. He was typically responding to a gratification of the moment. He did not appreciate the seriousness of the charges. He could intellectually tell you what the charges were, but he just dismissed them as real insignificant. It was part of the illness, his attitude was the product, the outcome, of the nature of the illness.

He (Bundy) would not take the guilty plea, because that would terminate the show. His ability to be the celebrity would come to an end, he would be just someone who was spared from the death sentence, and the show would be over. Whereas, his need was to have the proceedings go on and on in order to gratify his pathological needs.

He was not motivated by a need to help himself. He was motivated by the need to be the star of the show. He was the producer of a play in which he was playing a big role."

just wow.

 

[legalmania]

Why YES! We do need a good 3 day Juan-a-thon! I can't listen to Alyce anymore and need to long break from JW's voice! That woman (JW) with her cheery little voice is getting on my last nerve!

From what I heard I think it was either Jean C. or Beth K. said that during the deposition or pretrial hearing that Martinez absolutely tore ALV to shreds. So the best thing Martinez can do is just hit on the major parts of her testimony and then move on. I don't think he needs to spend as much time as Willmott did with her.

 

[Blessed2Bme]

I'd seriously like to know where all of JA's money came from. I thought I read somewhere that her car was repo'ed, her bank accounts had overdrawn fees and she was paying TA for the BMW. Then she deposits money into 2 seperate bank accounts (there's that OCD 2) and has money for a road trip complete with nail salon.

Didn't she deposit twice in the same acct just minutes apart?
What was it $400 in acct #1, then #2 acct $100, then back to #1 acct $300??
(my amounts may be off) having problems with my memory tonite...

 

[MeeBee]

Jumping off your post, and other posts that compared JA to Ted Bundy.
A psychiatrist hired to analyze Bundy had the following to say about him:
(all of it eerily similar to JA.)

"My impression was that it was typical behavior of a psychopath who likes to defy authority, who has a need, who is driven to defy authority - and that includes lawyers, psychiatrists, law enforcement, judges - and that was more important to him than saving his own life. He was typically responding to a gratification of the moment. He did not appreciate the seriousness of the charges. He could intellectually tell you what the charges were, but he just dismissed them as real insignificant. It was part of the illness, his attitude was the product, the outcome, of the nature of the illness.

He (Bundy) would not take the guilty plea, because that would terminate the show. His ability to be the celebrity would come to an end, he would be just someone who was spared from the death sentence, and the show would be over. Whereas, his need was to have the proceedings go on and on in order to gratify his pathological needs.

He was not motivated by a need to help himself. He was motivated by the need to be the star of the show. He was the producer of a play in which he was playing a big role."

just wow.

Thank you for this. This is what I mean when I compare Jodi to Ted Bundy. It's not about comparing their crimes, it's about comparing their psyche. Psychopaths aren't all the same, but they have the same general traits. This is Jodi. And up until his finals moments, Bundy was still playing games. I also find him more intelligent and more cunning than Jodi. So he is better at pretending to be human and feigning emotions than she is. He is a better psychopath.

 

[Curious Me]

Thanks guys .. that's very young isn't it to be growing pot with a friend. All the ASPD stuff seems to be coming out now, seems like she was on a bad road for a long time.

Did you get to watch the snips of videos? Here's some on DrD

http://www.hlntv.com/clusters/dr-drew-call-video

I mean it this time...Good Night..............fftobed:

 

[pollybear]

Thank you for this. This is what I mean when I compare Jodi to Ted Bundy. It's not about comparing their crimes, it's about comparing their psyche. Psychopaths aren't all the same, but they have the same general traits. This is Jodi. And up until his finals moments, Bundy was still playing games. I also find him more intelligent and more cunning than Jodi. So he is better at pretending to be human and feigning emotions than she is. He is a better psychopath.

totally agree meebee