trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

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  • #561
The problem is with JM using this reference - is that the jurors cannot google, or have any means to get a clue to the whole reference. He doesn't need this. Arghhh, my first JM what the heck moment.

Believe me the jury is lost, other then knowing she had a seminar with Snow white/ or references to books using Snow White.

That was just the first 30 minutes----and it was purposely used on a weird, surprise, out of left field subject. He did that strategically.

They PURPOSELY only left him 30 minutes to work with. Do you think he is going to get into the meat and potatoes of his cross with just 30 minutes left of court time? Of course not.

But he wanted to spar with her so he could evaluate her style. He needed to see how she defends herself. So he PURPOSELY chose an unimportant throwaway topic, that he could introduce, to throw her off guard.

He did the same thing with Jodi and with Samuels---and he was criticized the same way. He opened with " you called your sister dumb" and was criticized for doing so. But it was a brilliant strategy, imo.

ETA: the jury didn't need to google because she ADMITTED that she does a seminar entitled " Snow White is a Battered Victim"
 
  • #562
Because I have a lot of personal experience with domestic abuse, including losing a friend to it, and I know ALV knows what she is talking about, so I trust her judgment and believe her conclusions. She also is a great teacher--people should listen to her--what she says about the subject is true and clear as a bell.

IMO

I am sure this has already been asked but if not I am wondering, even if you believe with all your heart that JA was abused by Travis, do you think she was in any way justified in what she did to him? Weren't her actions the height of abuse?
 
  • #563
i could be totally wrong because I'm no lawyer and am not legally savvy, and maybe it is really awesome strategy that I cannot see, but I kinda feel like the Snow White thing was overplayed.

I'm hoping you have figured it out by now...I'm behind...but surely you have!
 
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  • #565
I'm thinkin he can prove her Snow White therapy with JAs drawing of Snow White with a black eye.

Proof she introduced JA to this fairy tale therapy beyond just a catchy title...jmo


You are awesome for making that connection.
 
  • #566
OMG, I'm so embarrassed right now. I actually googled to make sure I spelled his last name correctly. I'm going back to lurking!

THAT is so cute LOL now when i see him I will think "mike" :) (by the way I do that...)
 
  • #567
What ALV is describing is a pattern of behavior that has very deep roots going back to childhood and that one would take from relationship to relationship. The more intimate the relationship, the more that pattern would reveal itself.

Do you dishonor and disrespect your wife, call her horrible names, rage at her, put her down, occasionally kick her [ok we have no proof of physical, but it fits the pattern of escalation]. As ALV said, the abuse in this relationship was escalating at an alarming rate, and Jodi was the one pulling away, not TA.

IMO
Ridiculous!

IMO.
 
  • #568
This might be unpopular but I would like Mr Martinez to go right for the meat of the case, get right to the point, capture and keep the Juries attention with a line of questions along the line more direct as to

why she thinks Jodi was abused by Travis

does she think anything Jodi did was abusive to travis..

Does she think sneaking around the house peeking in is ok.

How about hiding in his closet when you have moved out already.

Breaking up with him (while living in Yreka) then moving back 3 miles from his home (and don't say he begged her to come back there is no evidence)

how can you say any person is abusive with no evidence but the only person left alive

and on and on.. I could have skipped all the Snow White.. we need to bring this thing home with some specific things and raw emotion about the fact the man is dead, i'm growing old here.

They gave him 30 minutes today. Why would he want to break out the meat, when there's a whole weekend ahead of them to gnaw on the bone?

Better to spar a bit today, then Monday, when they don't have 3 days to prepare for it, fight the battle.
 
  • #569
Copying Estes!? WHAT!? Really, I'm not being facetious, she actually... that's worse than using Disney... Estes is a gifted storyteller.

Estes helped me through some stuff way back there in time... (I'm actually relieved someone here knows who I'm talkin' about). Still have her books.

ALV plagarized... I suppose that's one of her rights not being a PhD? (I'm being snarky there).

Wow. There goes any humanity I had for ALV. Wouldn't have thunk that.

:yes: Estes book was great. :seeya:
 
  • #570
What ALV is describing is a pattern of behavior that has very deep roots going back to childhood and that one would take from relationship to relationship. The more intimate the relationship, the more that pattern would reveal itself.

Do you dishonor and disrespect your wife, call her horrible names, rage at her, put her down, occasionally kick her [ok we have no proof of physical, but it fits the pattern of escalation]. As ALV said, the abuse in this relationship was escalating at an alarming rate, and Jodi was the one pulling away, not TA.

IMO


Oh No that doesn't have anything to do with TA - try again, her past life with her parents, oh pleazzee. Go on ...
 
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  • #572
I'm not sure it has been proven she displays these traits. It's not seen in any of the pages of her writing or anywhere in any conversation she has with him. It's all going the other way.

There's talk about slashing of tires, but we now know he was messing with 11 other women and had at least one named 'stalker' who is not Jodi--so it's not proven who did this.

Are there other things? I have heard the roommates interviewed--nothing.

IMO
I'm convinced Jodi is a psychopath and after spending a decade with my own, surviving it, and going on to do years of therapy and research to make certain I'd never repeat the pattern - I very, very firmly believe all psychopaths are to at least some extent, by nature alone, abusive.

Limiting it just to the scope of what's come in, so far: Jodi herself has admitted to stalking, obsessive, and intimidating behaviors in a past relationship. She's obviously admitted she lies. The tire slashing was brought in by the defense via Mimi Hall, day one, only to show Travis hadn't named his stalker. We know she knew his garage code and his atm pin #. We learned Jodi has been victimized in one way or another in almost every intimate relationship - from parent to partner. The beginning of an abusive relationship - as she testified to - is really atypical with everything I am personally aware of. And there were no appropriate emotions displayed when recounting her own abuse - nor was there any sense of graduation from victim into survivor. She testified to abuse as though she'd only just left the relationship - still 'protecting' Travis, still loving him. (Victims grow stronger over time and metamorphosize into survivors - whose emotions, recounting, and attitudes often are vastly different to those still in victim mode.) We heard a 'sex tape' dripping with manipulation in which Travis is utterly knackered. A tape, might I add, that was miraculously recovered in time for trial. We also became privy to Jodi being a victim of every abuse on the Power and Control Wheel in an incredibly short relationship - with no one independent ever bearing witness to it, apparently. I'm quite certain I'm missing a lot.

What we haven't heard. The stereotypical beginning of an abusive relationship. Travis didn't propose. He didn't move her in. He didn't plead and beg for her to move, even going to help her pack. (I'm rather discounting the testimony of a prolific liar, I will admit.) We haven't heard from the many friends whose name was on the tip of their tongues when discovering he was murdered. Or the friend who asked if he was afraid of her. Or the peeps he warned he might not see on Sunday should she kill him. Or about the email sent to Lisa. Or that Jodi was suspected of tire slashing and invading his personal online accounts. Or that several friends of his considered her obsessed, or odd in her behaviors. We haven't heard, or seen, how a week after Travis started a blog - Jodi mimicked it. We have yet to learn that her Myspace is eerily nearly identical to his. We haven't been enlightened as to a contact pattern by either of them - who was calling whom, when, and how often? And we probably won't ever know about the ten letters purportedly written by Travis, that coincidentally back Jodi's every claim, but can't and won't be substantiated because Jodi has, from what I can glean, refused to supply the originals or even concede how she came about them. We don't know if she took his journals and no christmas trees have been mentioned yet either. ;)

Personally, I'm pretty confident in my assessment that Jodi's a sadistic, abusive psychopath who, like many before her, is intent on the absolute destruction of someone who dared to reject her. And her request for a plea agreement 'or else' only lends more weight to that theory.

JMO
 
  • #573
sorry about quoting myself, but a google search shows that the video was from 2004 - 3 years before the alleged finger breaking incident!

Juan martinez, if you or your people are reading websleuths, go get that ng tape from the hln truck for your rebuttal. :rocker:


Eta: Link to wedding video: http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/04/04/exclusive-video-jodi-arias-bridesmaid


watch ja's left ring finger closely around the 1 minute 46 second mark when she keeps touching the lens of the camera.

someone who knows someone in charge needs to get this into the correct peoples hands, pun intended! No broken finger by travis!
 
  • #574
WOW! I am glad tris color exercised her right to be in court today, lol JA smirk afterwards. I took alot of notes today but I will just summarize.

Thanks Willmott for taking 8 days to say absolutely nothing, you manged to disrespect the jury, court, and tax payers. Thank-you for having AVL specify that JA was a three ring hole, psychotic, and liar. You proved that you lost any chance of even getting one juror on your side, by making this about you and not the trial - during 8 days zzzzzz if there was point IT was lost because of you. Well done from the prosecution. TY now take a bow, sit down and I hope yu never get hired again, I cannot image why?

HAHA BTW I called it that ALV would call JM out in a snarky way, just exactly like Dr Dick and JA - again TY. for proving how coached you ALL are. If I see it as a viewer imagine what the jurors are feeling. Well done, though, I hope she continues with the snarky replies v being neutral. Great prosecution witness.

Today is a thank-you defense team for the prosecution team.

Just a note about #5. I believe she's causing more harm than good. The Alexander family has had to go with JM and JA and her defense team back into the judge's chambers because of juror #5's dismissal and the fact that she decided to come back today. She's causing more stress for the family. It's clear is very difficult for them to be with Jodi. That's why they were upset both times.

She should have abided by her statement. She's too much of a distraction and this trial isn't about her. She shouldn't even cause a possibility of impropriety by even going back. She should know that her presence is causing the family harm.
 
  • #575
No no no no no Molly..trust me she was not in an abusive relationship with Travis. She may have abused Travis but he did not abuse her. You don't have a relationship that lasts only a few months, and now you're back into the home of your grandparents with no worries and you chose to travel back and move in free with a girl 3 miles from him so you can stalk him.

If I could only tell you the Witnesses that were not allowed to speak about things she did and said because they are too prejudicial to her.

If anyone says he begged her to come back he made her come back, he had this hold on her. Wrong again, if that were true she would move back in with him in the house, not in a room 3 miles away.

That is called stalking.

There are plenty of truly abused women in the world who need our help and our sympathy. Jodi is not one of them.

And truly abused men
 
  • #576
I believe ALV clearly is use to being in control of all the men around her. She got sarcastic too quickly...when she could have simply answered the questions. She likes winning the fight. omi
 
  • #577
You are entitled to your opinion.IMO I wish a study was done on how many woman who heard ALV version of Snow white and became the wicked stepmother kind of woman ALV says you need to be in order to leave the abuser and then were murdered by the abuser.IMO She is very dangerous and has been for years.She is IMO a fraud.

ITA. And when she says carp like "It's dangerous for parents to say that God is a male" it really makes me angry.

I don't need ALV's help with my religion. Thanks, though! I think I'll make my own decisions

And I don't think she's done any spectacular feat--what mental health professional/psychiatrist/psychologist/social worker doesn't know that abuse of all kinds exists? It's a farce when someone like ALV spews opinions like only MEN are abusers, women are always victims. BS.
 
  • #578
The reference to Snow White was to show that any senario can fit into ALV's abuse checklist and anyone can be termed a battered person based on how she determines who is battered. Basically, the spreadsheet she references is bogus.
 
  • #579
This might be unpopular but I would like Mr Martinez to go right for the meat of the case, get right to the point, capture and keep the Juries attention with a line of questions along the line more direct as to

why she thinks Jodi was abused by Travis

does she think anything Jodi did was abusive to travis..

Does she think sneaking around the house peeking in is ok.

How about hiding in his closet when you have moved out already.

Breaking up with him (while living in Yreka) then moving back 3 miles from his home (and don't say he begged her to come back there is no evidence)

how can you say any person is abusive with no evidence but the only person left alive

and on and on.. I could have skipped all the Snow White.. we need to bring this thing home with some specific things and raw emotion about the fact the man is dead, i'm growing old here.



I agree with you except I understand the Snow White deal from several perspectives - mainly he was only given 30 minutes today before a 3 day break until court again, and I don't think he wanted to lose momentum starting on the meaty stuff today.
 
  • #580
THAT is so cute LOL now when i see him I will think "mike" :) (by the way I do that...)

I'm seriously so embarrassed lol. I don't post much but when I do, look what happens!
 
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