trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

[gngr~snap]

http://www.kpho.com/story/21872239/arias-trial-juror-no-5-talks-for-first-time-since-being-excused

Juror #5

Good for her~
she has a legal advisor.
She didn't give them anything!

Shame on them for approaching her!

 

[meanddblj]

this trial is good vs. evil in every aspect. it shows how desperate evil is and the lengths it will go in desperation. evil does not have regard for anyone or anything. evil is so self-centered and their focus is not where it should be. ja and dt should be consumed with saving her life....not the media, not the gallery, not making up info to further their evil. the judge seems to be so unaware of just how far they are willing to go. ja sitting their all afternoon playing on jw's phone shows that she gets away with anything...her turning to look at donovan and #5 all afternoon. the media should be more concerned about justice being served and focus on ja scum in the courtroom and the things that ja gets away with....a bailiff needs to sit right with her all day....she cannot be trusted. judge stephens needs to get control or she is going to have to grant a mistrial on her watch due to her "standing for nothing and falling for every thing" with this very twisted dt and their minions!

 

[molly333]

Abusive relationship because she was on the receiving end of several verbal "tirades", one of which resulted from her trying to make him jealous by forwarding an email "meant" for another man to Travis? You see, Travis is dead and she's not. That pretty much validates his "tirade" about her being an evil sociopath, doesn't it?

You're not sure what happened that day anymore? So you believe in freak coincidences now?

So just by pure coincidence, a 25 is stolen on May 28th, two days after the worst verbal tirade found in these messages, and Travis is killed 7 days later with a 25 auto that Jodi admits to disposing of. And coincidentally, her cell phone dies in Southern California and is then turned back on 27 miles from the Nevada border, after being off for 18 hours, during her stay in Mesa.

Did you believe that Melanie McGuire was innocent too and that the 38 caliber she bought along with wadcutter bullets just coincidentally matched the gun and bullets used to killer her husband?

I don't know about Melanie McGuire. I didn't follow that trial.

But, I've been saying repeatedly, why would you steal a gun to kill him with a knife?

I was all set to go with she used the gun first, no matter what the prosecutor says, and it jammed, until I heard ALV. Now, I'm totally set back and wondering if she had the gun with her because she was afraid of him. It would fit in with her not killing him immediately--that she never had any intention of killing him until things went wrong, one more time. ALV talks about the escalating level of apprehension and fear in the relationship. Scared people can become dangerous people.

IMO

 

[Softail]

OMG, I'm so embarrassed right now. I actually googled to make sure I spelled his last name correctly. I'm going back to lurking!

:therethere: Don't go back to lurking, I was just playing with ya! :giggle: Stuff happens~

 

[Angelina Frost]

As ALV said, the abuse in this relationship was escalating at an alarming rate, and Jodi was the one pulling away, not TA.

Donovan? Bryan Carr? Gus?

Laughable to the extreme. :floorlaugh:

 

[SmoothOperator]

ALV has totally turned my view of this case 180 degrees. I'm not sure what the Jury is doing with her testimony, but if there is one woman who is familiar with domestic abuse on the panel, they are looking at a hung jury. More than one--murder two or less. And, JM isn't doing the prosecution any favors by using his one speed fits all on her--he is just looking boorish and annoying.

IMO

IMO strictly speaking about Miss ALV, with Juan as a completely separate issue, I am genuinely curious to know what part or pieces of Alyce's testimony have brought about a 180* turnabout view of the case to the point of speaking hung jury and/or definite lesser charges of guilt?

why I find this personally difficult to place importance, value, or weight to any of Alyce's testimony is due to the fact that the testimony is 100% based upon its foundation being Jodi Ann Arias words, accounts, and versions of "truth" that just so happen to all revolve 360* around the simple fact that she slaughtered a young man that she had not been in gf/bf relationship for a year, a man that she had to willfully work hard to go and actually seek out actually and literally hundreds of miles, money, time, etc were all determinedly gone out of her way in every way possible to even get herself to the vicinity, much less actual location to have gained the opportunity to even kill him..

the fact that this extreme amount of exertion of time, forethought, energy, money, etc..just to name a very few had to be willfully and determinedly worked through and followed through with in order for this defendant to even have the possible opportunity to carry out the sadistic, slaughtering of him speaks to the very real lack of even the most teeniest sliver of credibility or even believability(<-lol.is that even a word?) of a single solitary claim uttered by this defendant..the fact that the above is fact IMO disallows for the suspension of disbelief that is required in order to make Jodi's account or version even remotely possible..

Since the suspension of disbelief isnt applied then IMO there is a clear cut issue that arises..Jodi Arias account and version of truth is IMO lacking anything substantiative to create a foundation of true and accurate accounts of all events, statements, etc that are involved in this case as told to us by Jodi..IMO once that clear cut issue emerges that IMO proves this defendants versions are false, fabricated, and ONLY self serving in a very real CYA way..

with Miss ALV's entire expert testimony being based upon false, fabricated, self serving lies leaves me with zero anything, as in nothing, not even a shred of fact or foundation for Miss ALV's entire and complete expert testimony.. So, while I do believe that ALV has made some very relevant, pertinent statements regarding the abuses suffered by an intimate partner in general they IMO do not in any way, shape, or form describe one single trait, characteristic, or descriptor of Jodi in the role of the abused victim. IMO not even a single trait is consistent with Jodi as the abused victim..

IMO this is a critical flaw that is present in ALV's testimony and IMO this major flaw is not at all lost on men, women, abused, or not.. IMO the fact that Jodi is in no way consistent with ALV's expert testimony on abused victims ..combined with the fact that any testimony regarding ALV's opinion of the true slaughtered victim, Travis Alexander is based upon the baseless, factless, foundation-less accounts of Jodi IMO just doesn't even allow for ALV's testimony to warrant an ounce of weight assigned to it..of course jmo, tho.

 

[amberjul]

What ALV is describing is a pattern of behavior that has very deep roots going back to childhood and that one would take from relationship to relationship. The more intimate the relationship, the more that pattern would reveal itself.

Do you dishonor and disrespect your wife, call her horrible names, rage at her, put her down, occasionally kick her [ok we have no proof of physical, but it fits the pattern of escalation]. As ALV said, the abuse in this relationship was escalating at an alarming rate, and Jodi was the one pulling away, not TA.

IMO

Yes, ALV is describing a pattern of behavior as you say. All the things you say are true, IF ALV was provided very specific journals and media ("a couple of Travis' journal entries") - yeah, I can see what you see. ALV said she was hired for a highly specific reason, too specific to cover what the defense asked her to really. That's what the defense is banking on, though.

The defense will gain favor from people who fail to see that highly specific reason for the blanket truth it is not - The defense wants people to believe her testimony is the blanket truth - when it is highly specific and therefore not the blanket truth.

She was paid to sway people, folks. Let's not forget this.

 

[Nore]

OMG ... the group with the "behavior problems" in the courtroom should have been THROWN OUT for their outbusts and laughing !

OMG ... NO respect ... NO manners ...

I am watching the part where ALV gets SNARKY with Mr. Martinez ...

:great: Mr. Martinez is just BRILLIANT !

:seeya:

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Hi, The fact that she doesnt like men is very obvious. Many women are like this, its wrong but they are. I missed a lot today, fell asleep.LOL. The videos of the parents should be introduced:what: it is too incriminating! well what the he!! are they having the trial for? These tapes prove a lot about her. As sad as it is I think her parents are sort of relieved. :seeya:

PS. watching tv. She has already admitted on the stand that she killed him, to J.M..she is not, never was in a fog.I thought ALV was to give an unbiased opinion. I still think she figures she will be saved and walk! :seeya:

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I'm seriously so embarrassed lol. I don't post much but when I do, look what happens!

I'm still giggling.. reminds me of summer time with my sisters and one of us does that about a guy we like! love it

 

[AZWatcher]

This might be unpopular but I would like Mr Martinez to go right for the meat of the case, get right to the point, capture and keep the Juries attention with a line of questions along the line more direct as to

why she thinks Jodi was abused by Travis

does she think anything Jodi did was abusive to travis..

Does she think sneaking around the house peeking in is ok.

How about hiding in his closet when you have moved out already.

Breaking up with him (while living in Yreka) then moving back 3 miles from his home (and don't say he begged her to come back there is no evidence)

how can you say any person is abusive with no evidence but the only person left alive

and on and on.. I could have skipped all the Snow White.. we need to bring this thing home with some specific things and raw emotion about the fact the man is dead, i'm growing old here.

Agreed!! This is a no-brainer.

 

[kaRN]

Yes, I do. And Juan kept mentioning the LV and SD trainings were both in 2010 - same year Jodi admitted she killed Travis. But . . . I'm seriously confused now about where he is going with this?

I'd really like to see what she was talking about. The 2008 Youtube isn't the same thing.

Just my guess but Snow White is a fable. A Fable that she's relied on for years and years to sell her message about a serious issue that results in numerous deaths each year..each day even. There's no witness to the cute story. There's no proof the story is true. There's no forensics to substantiate any truth to the poisoned apple, no witnesses to her falling into a deep sleep etc. By the same token, the story we are being sold as truth by JA and her DT is also a complete fable. I think it's important JM determine if ALV actually knows the difference between a fable and the truth because so far, she hasn't demonstrated that she does. Most girls leave Snow White fantasies behind at the age of about 10, but not ALV I guess,who thinks it's ok to project her warped world view on her clients.

I googled ALV and her Snow White to wicked witch conversion theory that she uses to explain the mindset of battered women and why they stay and to be honest, it's really horribly offensive. How dare she compare the plight and mindset of Disney Characters to real women who have been traumatized and violated. She says it's a cute name. Yeah right. DV isn't pretty and it isn't cute. TA's autopsy photos aren't cute. Her interpreting emails between people she has never met nor will she ever meet unless they sue her which I hope they do, isn't cute. It's vile IMO.
I trust JM is taking her down the winding garden path of one of the fables she's so attached to so that he can expose her as the false heroine she imagines herself to be. I personally hope he rattled her enough to reflect a little before she gives her next 'talk' on Saturday.

 

[Alice Ramnit]

Just catching up!!!
Thank GOD Juan is FINALLY UP!!!!!!!!!

Watching Jodi smirk while he cross examines! What a silly girl!
Narcissistic anti-socials tend to be that way!!!

 

[panthera]

Good question. Does anybody think there is going to be any surprises after Alv? I know KN subpeonaed the shooting range video, but how's he going to bring it in or was that just a red herring?

The video would have to be authenticated and it's owner was a close friend of Travis, who could also testify that Travis never owned a gun. Cannot imagine what benefit this would give the defense. If anything, it would be good for Juan Martinez to call Dave Hall in his rebuttal re: Travis owning a gun.

MOO

 

[gypsyblue]

What ALV is describing is a pattern of behavior that has very deep roots going back to childhood and that one would take from relationship to relationship. The more intimate the relationship, the more that pattern would reveal itself.

Do you dishonor and disrespect your wife,call her horrible names, rage at her, put her down, occasionally kick her [ok we have no proof of physical, but it fits the pattern of escalation]. As ALV said, the abuse in this relationship was escalating at an alarming rate, and Jodi was the one pulling away, not TA.

IMO

BBM
Key word ... Wife
Live in , dependent. Etc

Not a rejected X girlfriend

IMO of course

 

[Donnareit]

in thread #121 Pufnstuf said:


I immediately thought of how she would question an abusive man within her group therapy session. Get him to realize he even IS being hostile. Maybe he doesn't realize it. Find out if his anger, ostensibly toward her, is really toward someone else. Let's delve into this, shall we? Juan, were you b****t-fed as a child? Do I remind you of your mother?

Juan is NOT a patient or client of hers, and she needs to get that straight and adjust her own demeanor accordingly. Yeah, he's coming across as an a*****e in his current persona, but she does NOT have the power here; HE does. She needs to suck it up, move on and just answer the questions.

Her body language with him was very interesting. Wonder what the experts have to say about the leaning-forward-fist-under-chin approach?

 

[Hally]

I don't know about Melanie McGuire. I didn't follow that trial.

But, I've been saying repeatedly, why would you steal a gun to kill him with a knife?

I was all set to go with she used the gun first, no matter what the prosecutor says, and it jammed, until I heard ALV. Now, I'm totally set back and wondering if she had the gun with her because she was afraid of him. It would fit in with her not killing him immediately--that she never had any intention of killing him until things went wrong, one more time. ALV talks about the escalating level of apprehension and fear. Scared people can become dangerous people.

IMO

She used both are you following the trial? You are back tracking - now you are talking about what weapon v your excuse why she would kill him, ie bad parents, you understand her etc. hmm. well have a good night Molly.

 

[Boytwnmom]

common sense. Juan got her to actually clearly state that she does not see the slaughtered Travis Alexander as the "victim" in this case. She has clearly shown her disdain for men and has been "interpreting" text messages, emails etc of Travis, other women etc as though she were some sort of clairvoyant. I think she looks like a loony tunes. Juan quickly established her lack of credentials and affinity for fairy tales. I doubt very much the jury is offended. If I were them I would be cheering him on. She has done nothing but trash a murder victim and "edify" the killer-doesn't make her likable to me anyway. She comes across as either a gullible rube or a money grubbing mouthpiece. But, hey, that's just my opinion.

No. I didn't. But I have heard her testimony. And I have been outraged and frustrated by it. Granted, I didn't witness the flow, so maybe I'm seeing things out of context but despite her ridiculous testimony, I don't think she comes across as a dishonest, paid liar or unlikeable and it's a mistake for attorneys to act too aggressively with likeable witnesses.

 

[artsy1]

There is no witness to her being in an abusive relationship, actually just the opposite - that he warned others that JA was abusive, stalking, and well we have pictures of the end result.

I am interested in your assumption with ALL the evidence, and I have to ask if it pertains to this case, or a personal vendetta you have that made you come to this FALSE conclusion going by evidence?

I think what is really interesting, although the jury won't see it, is that JA's dad in his police interview tells Det. Flores that she told him on the phone that she SNEAKED over to his house and looked in the window and saw Travis making out with another gal, and how could he do that since they were supposed to get married.

According to JA's testimony, they were already broken up, no plans to marry, and Travis knew she was coming over to get her SS card out of the boxes in his garage.

Why would she lie to her dad and say she sneaked over there? I think that story was true (except for them getting married)....


ETA: Can you say stalker???

 

[Lorelilly]

Good question. Does anybody think there is going to be any surprises after Alv? I know KN subpeonaed the shooting range video, but how's he going to bring it in or was that just a red herring?

I'm praying like hell they have NO MORE witnesses but they'll spring something on all of us. No way are they going to go quietly into that good night.lease:

 

[Southern_Meadow]

I'm believing she was in an abusive relationship where she was on the receiving end and trying to extricate herself from it.

What? Good lord in heaven, give me strength to hold my tongue.

She was trying to "extricate" herself from abuse and her way of doing that was driving thousands of miles to him, in a rented car, packed to the gills with 15 gallons of gasoline in the trunk, a gun, probably a knife and lord knows what else?