trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Could very well be the case. She did live in the Emerald Triangle. :twocents:

Well, there ya go! That explains The Fog...

 

[kwmred]

I also have great respect for your posts and try to read all of them I can.

Regarding that list you gave, what kind of proof does the Jury have of any of that? I've heard an interview where she confronted a female friend of Travis in the bathroom, but did the Jury hear that? Plus, that now looks different to me now that I know TA was cheating on her, lying about it, and gaslighting her. That type of behavior can make you crazy. Going through phone and online accounts fits into the same category of trying to deal with someone who is cheating on you and lying about it. Again, has the Jury seen proof of that? I'm also not sure if stalking has been proven.

But, even so, all this now looks different to me in the light of their relationship and how he was treating her.

As far as interviewing TA, ALV has thousands of his own words in his most intimate and unguarded moments where he had no expectation of a third party listening in. She has been exposed to information that we have not.

IMO

BBM

"She has been exposed to information that we have not."???????

Where did you get this information???

 

[molly333]

Right, AS ALV SAID. But that doesn't make it TRUE.

Why do you think he called her the worst thing that ever happened to him? Why did he call her a sociopath?

Maybe because he caught her hacking into his private emails and IMs. Maybe because he found out that she secretly taped their sex call.

She was NOT his wife. She was his EX girlfriend. They only daed for 5 months and it was long distance.

She was not a DOMESTIC VIOLENCE victim. She did not live with him, depend upon him, had no ties to him, and no reason to feel trapped by him. They had no relationship. They were 'friends with benefits.'

I don't even believe her stories of physical abuse. She made that all up to escape the GUILTY verdict.

He also called himself a sociopath. Did you hear that?

If you really think someone is a sociopath, you would do well to not tell them, but just fold up your tent and silently sneak away. What is the point of calling someone all the names he called her?

IMO

 

[gcharlie]

Lots of snarky comments here on ALV, some of which IMO cross the line into bashing.

ALV comes with a bias and unfortunately interviewed only JA, so it was a foregone conclusion that she would consider JA a battered woman. She did try to humanize both perp and victim at tthe end of her testimony, which I took as her acknowledgement of the tragedy of this kind of situation in court.

JM came out of the gate swinging and I'm not quite sure how I feel about this tactic. He's already laid the groundwork that battered women/abused women is not a DSM diagnostic category. Nor does ALV have the training in psychological testing, laying the groundwork for his expert.

Asking her to recall and give examples of negative events in JAs journal effecting her was twofold. Firstly it showed how rehearsed her testimony was and secondly, it showed on how she focused in on her bias, not the larger picture.

The Snow White intro allowed him to FOO and talk about JA's prior abuse at the hands of her mother, father and Bobby. JM did a great job with suggesting JA's mom witnessed her father abusing her, which ALV said did not happen.

Do we see a pattern here? ALV relied on a number of lies from JA which she repeated discussing the breakdown of the relationship into an abusive one. JM will be able to show her that these were lies. The jury will see this and it remains to be seen if ALV will reconsider her opinion as to the real abuser once it has been demonstrated that she relied on lies.

Did get a rise out of JW barely trying to contain herself while JM was questioning ALV and getting smacked down with her objections.

Damage could have been a whole lot worse. JM will be able to minimize things and if he changes his tone with ALV, I believe he can get her to flip.

 

[DairyGirl]

Half the day was spent deconstructing Travis' May 26 "you're a sociopath" - "the worst thing that ever happened to me" email. Taken in context of all Jodi had put him through the past year, he sounds like someone who's finally thrown off his chains and shouts to his oppressor, "I'm finally free of you," but ALV saw only the evil words of an abuser coming from nowhere for no reason whatsoever.

You are so right. If JA had written those words to Travis the expert would be applauding her courage and strength.

 

[Hatfield]

Mine was "Loverboy" red hot pants?
yeah... I am old!

Juan was singing "Turn Me Loose" and then as he left today, we heard him singing "Everybody's Working for the Weekend".

Cant wait till Monday :rocker:

 

[Ammonitida]

What ALV is describing is a pattern of behavior that has very deep roots going back to childhood and that one would take from relationship to relationship. The more intimate the relationship, the more that pattern would reveal itself.

Do you dishonor and disrespect your wife, call her horrible names, rage at her, put her down, occasionally kick her [ok we have no proof of physical, but it fits the pattern of escalation]. As ALV said, the abuse in this relationship was escalating at an alarming rate, and Jodi was the one pulling away, not TA.

IMO

Nonsense. According to Jodi, he raped her early in the relationship, or do you think it's OK for your SO to forcibly insert his penis into your anus without your consent? As that is what she claims happened on the day of her baptism.

So no, her story is not one of escalation but one of immediate abuse of the worst kind, RAPE. Well before the kicking lie. In fact, right from the very beginning, and yet she's having rape and other deviant fantasies bout him after theses "rapes". Inconsistency much?

He called her names? And he also apologized for some of these episodes, but NEVER in any of these text messages is there an apology for 1. breaking her finger 2. choking her out. 3 slapping her

Indeed, her very journal entries as well as text message for these days contradict these accounts of hers. Note for example, the text message exchange she had with Travis on Jan 22th 2008, the date of the broken finger (the kicking). No apology from Travis, no name calling, just an exchange about loaning some money and trading cars. Combine that with her "nothing noteworthy" journal entry.

But we have on record apologies from Travis about trivial stuff.

 

[Sleuths4Me]

If the jurors are focusing/pondering on a fairy tale all weekend, I think it's a good thing. After days of testimony about abuse, battering, journals, text messages, what do you think the jurors are thinking about?

He didn't have time to refute days of testimony (and he did not tip off DT to his strategy next week), but he implanted lingering thoughts of a fairy tale.

Next week, we will hopefully see the detailed taking apart of the last few days testimony. He will show it was a fairy tale.

ITA! Also, they will think of the fairytale and not the "abused" women the DT/AVL made JA out to be. They will be thinking "wonder where he is going with this" and based on past witness's cross examination they know he has something he is working on

 

[SamuraiPie]

:seeya:
also... guess everyone has a "type"
Jim Cantore
Kevin Bacon
Anthony Edwards
and......
Jim Carey

Agreed about "type"--that's quite an interesting list!

All I know is Mark Eiglarsh's wife is one lucky woman. I don't know if Mike is married.

And this is a pleasant departure from talk about Jodi.

 

[panthera]

If anyone didn't see After Dark tonight with Vinnie and Ryan, they had a shot of the courtroom with FOG passing through it.

:great:

Love it. Did you also hear them discussing the distance from Mesa to the Hoover Dam (280 miles) - driving in The Fog??? Mike Brooks is having a field day with The Fog.

:floorlaugh:

 

[Applejack]

She had hundreds, maybe thousands, of pages of Travis own words--to Jodi, to other women, in video, in audio, in his own journals--probably much more valuable than actually interviewing him in person.

IMO

And yet she interpreted everything he said in ways the average person would not. Telling someone they've made you feel more terrible than when your own father died is not "character assassination." And Jodi saying "mmm i dont think IM the one being dramatic dear" when Travis was clearly extremely upset is not her trying to deescalate the situation--it is her being completely unempathetic and knowing full well that with that remark she's only going to upset him further by acting like he's crazy and she has no idea what's upsetting him. You are in the very small minority here. It was a MUTUALLY unhealthy relationship. While Travis wasn't perfect and he said some nasty things, so have most people, and it doesn't prove domestic violence, it doesn't prove she had a reasonable fear for her life that night, it doesn't justify what she did. The rest of the trial doesn't get tossed out the window because Travis called her an evil during an argument.

 

[grammieto5]

I missed Juan asking AL questions. How did it go? Will he be back on Monday? I bet he tore her up!!!! I was able to watch a little in the very beginning.

 

[khaki]

Originally Posted by molly333
"As ALV said, the abuse in this relationship was escalating at an alarming rate, and Jodi was the one pulling away, not TA."

omg lol. umm, no. I am sorry, JA was not pulling away. Let's call a spade a spade.....JA was broke, had no job, no car and no where to live. And as kind and helpful as Travis had been to her, he was no longer going to give her food, give her a place to sleep, and give her money to clean for him. He did however agree to sell her his car with the "lamest and easiest payment terms ever" took those words right out of JA's mouth btw

 

[molly333]

BBM

"She has been exposed to information that we have not."???????

Where did you get this information???

Listening to her testimony.

There were a lot of emails and maybe journal entries where she was allowed to characterize what was said, but not allowed to quote them. Therefore, these are items that will not be given to the Jury and have not been shown to us.

IMO

 

[Straitfan]

When JM is loudly talking (and sometimes in circles) that are definately not "yes or no" questions, the least he could do is come up with some NEW one liners other than "Do you have memory issues" "Do you have problems understanding the questions" And he continually interrupts....Sure the jurors see this also JMO

 

[katydid23]

I don't know about Melanie McGuire. I didn't follow that trial.

But, I've been saying repeatedly, why would you steal a gun to kill him with a knife?

I was all set to go with she used the gun first, no matter what the prosecutor says, and it jammed, until I heard ALV. Now, I'm totally set back and wondering if she had the gun with her because she was afraid of him. It would fit in with her not killing him immediately--that she never had any intention of killing him until things went wrong, one more time. ALV talks about the escalating level of apprehension and fear in the relationship. Scared people can become dangerous people.

IMO

AFRAID OF HIM?

Is that why she SECRETLY drove a thousand miles out of her way to go see him in the middle of the night?

An 'escalating level of fear and apprehension?'

Is that why she allowed him to tie her up that night? Was she so frightened of him that she hung out there alone with him for 12 hours?


Your theory makes NO SENSE. Sorry.

 

[Hopeful One]

So today, I did hear more of the "real" Travis. He wasn't perfect.

But you know what? Who cares? He's a human being. He was a normal 30-yo man with a sex drive.

What's surprising about that? And he's supposed to be the villain here??

I see nothing different about him than most other men of his age. Pitiful.

 

[BritsKate]

I also have great respect for your posts and try to read all of them I can.

Regarding that list you gave, what kind of proof does the Jury have of any of that? I've heard an interview where she confronted a female friend of Travis in the bathroom, but did the Jury hear that? Plus, that now looks different to me now that I know TA was cheating on her, lying about it, and gaslighting her. That type of behavior can make you crazy. Going through phone and online accounts fits into the same category of trying to deal with someone who is cheating on you and lying about it. Again, has the Jury seen proof of that? I'm also not sure if stalking has been proven.

But, even so, all this now looks different to me in the light of their relationship and how he was treating her.

As far as interviewing TA, ALV has thousands of his own words in his most intimate and unguarded moments where he had no expectation of a third party listening in. She has been exposed to information that we have not.

IMO

Uh huh. So can living with a psychopath, trust me. Cheating on someone, lying, even womanizing and downright disrespect do not an abusive relationship make. Now...an abusive relationship could have all that, and often so much more, but an abusive relationship by definition is a persistent and consistent set of behaviors meant solely to control and subjugate another human being.

In terms of gaslighting I believe we may be working with different definitions because Jodi exhibited gaslighting while testifying that is its understood definition in terms of psychological manipulation. When the jury was shown a photo and she stated basically that the photograph was wrong and her testimony should be believed above it. It's making one doubt their own reality.

I didn't know Travis but I can concede that I have come to grow truly fond of him and feel a deep affinity so I'm not exactly impartial. He may have been a cad, he might have been a total jerk - that's not my impression though after reading several hundred online accounts of him lovingly shared by friends, family, co-worker, and acquaintances. Too much of what we've learned of Travis through this trial is based solely on the account of the woman who stole his life away. The one person who has everything to gain through deception and manipulation.

As such, I have to believe the many, many stories I read of Travis before this trial began and keep praying Juan shows us the real Travis in rebuttal. lease:

(Oh. And in terms of the supposed 11 women. Where are they? If their testimony is so damning why aren't they there? Instead the defense is purposely not admitting these texts, emails, IMs into evidence so the jury can read them in their proper context, imo. Travis was flirty, playful, and was even accused by Lisa herself for taking his teasing too far. I think its highly likely many of these 'relationships' were just that - but can be twisted into something malicious now by an eager and willing defendant.)

JMO

 

[jayarohh]

I'm thinkin he can prove her Snow White therapy with JAs drawing of Snow White with a black eye.

Proof she introduced JA to this fairy tale therapy beyond just a catchy title...jmo

Wait a second - please tell me more about this JA drawing of Snow White with a black eye? Has it been introduced as evidence? If not, is it likely to even be allowed in?

 

[Lulu67]

I'm wondering if Jodi ever thinks back to when she first heard the name Juan Martinez from Flores. When he told her he was the toughest prosecutor in the State (or whatever it was he said), instead of asking "what's was his name again?" me thinks she should have asked "just how tough is he?"

Which video was this on? I didn't have time to watch them all (sorry!). TIA if you know.