trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

[Sleuth5]

I just have a hard time believing that a couple of heated arguments between people who dated for FIVE MONTHS and then a final "eff you" text message series from the one who was being stalked could have caused PTSD and Battered Woman Syndrome in the accused. Just really finding it hard to believe... color me silly, I guess.

I'm with you, Puf. I do not get it. I have honestly spent more time trying not to stress over how entirely silly the whole thing is than it is worth. I always come back to exactly what you're saying. How can people who were in some silly, on-and-off-again casual sexual "friendship" constitute the basis for the kind of "relationship" JA and her team seem to believe existed?

In my view, it's just more proof of how far into unicorn-land (a psychiatric term, I looked it up ) JA has actually gone. I know she isn't mentally ill by any legal standard. But brother, she is one twisted sister.

:cow:

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Can you imagine how frustrated TA had to have been with all the stuff JA had done and was doing to him? I applaud him for not clockin her proper. I do believe he banged his head against the doorway....who the heck wouldn't? I bet she drove him bat stick crazy. And yet, he never put a hand on her. We know he didn't. And that tells you what kind of man he was (is). He had a healthy sex drive and overactive hormones. He won the bedroom lottery...so what? I don't think he ever imagined she was this evil, even in that rant to her. He saw a glimpse but he never imagined how truly evil she is.

 

[MeeBee]

So let's say ALV is dt's last witness, get thru juror question, redirect and rebuttal.

Now Juan's Rebuttal: We know there is a computer forensics expert, Demarte the psych expert, who else do you think he has?

There is a Tesoro rep to testify about the gas purchases and a Walmart rep to testify that Jodi never returned the gas can.

 

[pufnstuf]

You heard her say she didn't bother with email and other fancy nonsense, just good old fashioned paper.

Yet today, when Juan Martinez asked her about the Snow White presentation, she quickly replied that it was available on youtube.

Not familiar with email, but knows her way well enough around the 'net to mention youtube without missing a beat.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

If I had a murdered love one, I would not want JM in the courtroom.

There is a big difference between being passionate about something and acting as he does....and that is JMO

Huh. Well I guess if you had a murdered loved one and you wanted a better court experience for yourself (since you don't like Juan Martinez' style), you would feel better with someone else.

If I had a murdered loved one, I would get on my knees every night thanking God that I had someone like Juan Martinez as my prosecutor. Why? He gets convictions. He doesn't deal with defense pleas for a lesser charge. He knows the ins and outs of the case--intimately. I would want the animal who murdered my loved one to get the harshest sentence. And I would be grateful for the caring way he treats the victim's family. But that's just me.

MOO

 

[Lorelilly]

I'm glad that you're giving voice to an unpopular opinion. I agree with you that the text messages, emails, etc. show evidence of emotional and verbal abuse toward Jodi. Even if Travis had a good reason to be angry with her, he was very ready and able to be cruel. His words dehumanized her more than they expressed his own feelings of betrayal, pain, and anger. The words he wrote were meant to not only to reject her--which was his right--but to annihilate her completely.

Why is this so hard to accept, even with the proof in black and white? Why do people seem to think that acknowledging the truth of Travis' emotional violence automatically means excusing Jodi's exteme violence? It doesn't and it won't. She killed a man, and it doesn't look at all like she did it in self defense. But, if Jodi is a sick woman who got sicker because of this relationship, this is something that has to be heard. The truth still matters. Hatred for the liar, the killer, however natural that may be, can't negate the evidence. And, yes, even the fact that she did the worst thing possible can't negate the evidence. It is a deliberate act of intellectual dishonesty to allow hatred to blot out facts.

Take Jodi out of the equation, and what we're left with here is a lot of people saying that the only "real" abuse there is is the kind that leaves physical marks; the rest, though equally damaging, is being minimized or denied. People say that Jodi herself is insulting victims of intimate partner violence, but I see the insult happening right here, on these boards.

May I suggest you read post #890 by Gingrsnap (may be spelled wrong) she lays it ALL out. Best summation I've seen.

 

[TorisMom003]

Not to disagree with you but as to #2.... The Judge clearly said that she wanted to see counsel in private and mentioned the hallway.... If my ears are clogged, I apologize in advance but that is what I heard.

I clearly heard (with earbuds in) Juan remind the Judge that she wanted to speak to Miss Laviolette in private. Now, the Judge may have also said she wanted to speak to counsel as well but the Judge DID say that she would speak to Laviolette in the hall or something to that effect. If need be I can go back to the youtube of the days proceedings to recheck and then post the video here.

 

[Applejack]

Regarding a question on why the defendant chose to leave her parents home.

Willmott: Objection, relevance, speculation, it's a FAIRYTALE
:laughcry:

Second most honest thing you have said Willmott, right after Jodi Arias killed Travis Alexander, there is no question about it.

Objection, it's a fairytale

Was my favourite line of the trial. In fact it might just be better than poodlehead's "Objection [to the hypothetical scenario of a mother killing her child]! There's no proof of that!" line.

 

[ClosArgs]

Not to disagree with you but as to #2.... The Judge clearly said that she wanted to see counsel in private and mentioned the hallway.... If my ears are clogged, I apologize in advance but that is what I heard.

Might it be about a conflicting schedule? I thought I heard ALV had only cleared 2 weeks for testimony. Could be wrong though.

 

[Straitfan]

Huh. Well I guess if you had a murdered loved one and you wanted a better court experience for yourself (since you don't like Juan Martinez' style), you would feel better with someone else.

If I had a murdered loved one, I would get on my knees every night thanking God that I had someone like Juan Martinez as my prosecutor. Why? He gets convictions. He doesn't deal with defense pleas for a lesser charge. He knows the ins and outs of the case--intimately. I would want the animal who murdered my loved one to get the harshest sentence. And I would be grateful for the caring way he treats the victim's family. But that's just me.

MOO

Yes I would feel better with someone else

 

[wasnt_me]

Well I respectfully disagree, I tend to think it could have been a slam/dunk case, he, IMO, may cause some jurors to question more because of the way he acts. (If I was on that jury, I know he would send "red flags" up to me.) So, guess we will see how it ends, I know I'm ready for it to be over, lol

I feel that JW's snarkiness, tendency to talk over the judge, answer for the judge and instruct witnesses as if she is the judge might be a turnoff to jurors. I dislike the sneers, the eye rolling, and the irritated laughter from her. I think she needs to clean that stuff up before she messes up her own case even further.

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Time for some Zzzzz's here.... I'm kinda glad we have a break till Monday. Gives my frustration level a chance to even out Stay safe all and have a good night, or day, depending on where on the planet you are

 

[Angelina Frost]

I agree. I LOVE Mark, but his trial strategy is sometimes deficient, imo.

One example, was that he thought that Juan should have cut his cross of the killer to a couple of hours in total. he claimed that ALL Juan needed to do was to impeach her on all of her public lies, and then sit down. I strongly disagreed.

The jury might cut her a break on the lies, seeing as how she was trying to protect herself from being arrested for Capital Murder. Who woudn't lie in that situation?

Juan KNEW he needed more than that. And he stuck to it and got a lot more important ammo than just her being a liar. We saw her strong aggressive demeanor, which conflicted with her earlier defense crafted persona of a meek
survivor. We heard her ADMIT that she loved the sex and it was mutual and consensual. And we saw her try to explain the murder while under fire from the prosecutor, and not while being hand held by Nurmi. Much different way to see her try and sell that fabricated scenario.

Mark also advised him to just ignore Dr Samuels and not really do a strong cross. Again, I think Juan proved him wrong. It was very productive to go after Samuels and show what a joke that PTSD diagnosis was. JMO

This is such a :goodpost:

I wouldn't kick Eiglarsh out of bed either, but he's more of a celeb than a litigator. If JM had followed his advice, there's no way the jury could be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. The defendant was sneaky enough to weave threads of truth into her duplicitous tapestry. Sadly, she's probably conniving enough to hoodwink a decent number of people.

He's quick and smart and entertaining, but still kind of a himbo.

 

[coup de grace]

No one said emotional/psychological abuse isn't "real" abuse. He said some nasty stuff during a few arguments where he expressed he had een hurt worse than he ever had been, and Jodi did not seem to understand or care and he was stuck trying to communicate this through texts. Most people have. It does not equate to "domestic violence." A few text/email arguments is not enough, I'm sorry. I think they were in a mutually destructive relaionship. I do not see proof of domestic violence. I would probably call someone who refused to stay out of my life, contacted every potential partner, slashed my tires, peeped through my windows, crawled through a doggy door, hacked my email, and creeped out in my closet, plenty of names myself. It would be completely justified.

Yeah to be honest, I don't think Travis should have won boyfriend of the year, but it was pretty apparent she was being kicked to the curb early on. He's certainly not the only player out there.

One of the talking heads tonight said Jodi should have just put her big girl bloomers on and walked away, but that Travis ruined her fantasy by blowing her off and so had to pay, and that she felt totally justified in doing so since he dismissed her.

 

[MistyM]

No one said emotional/psychological abuse isn't "real" abuse. He said some nasty stuff during a few arguments where he expressed he had een hurt worse than he ever had been, and Jodi did not seem to understand or care and he was stuck trying to communicate this through texts. Most people have. It does not equate to "domestic violence." A few text/email arguments is not enough, I'm sorry. I think they were in a mutually destructive relaionship. I do not see proof of domestic violence. I would probably call someone who refused to stay out of my life, contacted every potential partner, slashed my tires, peeped through my windows, crawled through a doggy door, hacked my email, and creeped out in my closet, plenty of names myself. It would be completely justified.

i think travis talked, jodi 'did'. she was sneaky and passive aggressive and drove him up the wall. her lies to get jealousy out of him, the things she did. i mean even in the taped convo she was like 'oh i hope i can meet someone as kinky as you'. i don't think for a second that she meant that, she wanted him to say 'don't meet anyone else jodi, i'll be your kink forever'. that's a tactic i used to use when i was young and stupid. i used to be a lot like jodi when i was younger (minus the killing & stalking part). i was manipulative and pretended like i was all 'okay' with a guy i liked to go and find someone else, but i'd be losing my mind on the inside. i was jealous and wanted to make my boyfriends jealous too and i made up fake guys or stories.

and this is why i'm single at 40 lol. i'm so glad i figured it all out. i had abandonment issues. jodi, well she's really sick in the head. i couldn't imagine killing someone. although i did enjoy hurting them emotionally.

 

[jayarohh]

Because most abused women do not recognize the extreme danger they are in, even if they voice it. My friend made me executor of her will. On some level she knew she was in danger. I begged her not to go back to her home state where he was. She went back. Two months later she was dead.

IMO

Molly, I truly am sorry that you lost a friend. I mean it. It's an extraordinarily difficult thing to go through - I say this out of experience.

There's a good chance that there could be someone else just like you and me, who could possibly be affected by losing someone to DV over the course of the next week. What if Ms. Laviolette could have helped them in a genuine professional manner and saved a life instead of sitting on the witness stand crafting a story so loosely around knowledge that she gathered over such a long period of time? Please, ask yourself again; by spending 2 weeks outside of California, away from women who depend on her just as much as they do the air they inhale, the women who really need her as opposed to a woman who merely wants her - Is Ms. Laviolette helping the cause or is she hurting it?

You don't have to reply, but please give that a moment of thought. Thanks.

 

[gloomy]

I wonder if we can find out who ALV's entourage consists of. I am sick and tired of the absolute crassness, classlessness, ignorance and downright disgusting behavior of JA's cheerleaders. Today we were joined by ALV's fans planted in the gallery.

Does ALV think she's on a stage and gets extra points for being snarky, sarcastic, difficult, evasive, and playing dumb? Is she a comedian, too? Did she get some CU credit as a clown?

I'm going to call the courthouse and find out why this is allowed to continue on Jodi's side of the fence. Travis' family has been tortured enough with the slaying of Travis--do they really need this circus of overweight, cackling, pseudo-intellectual pack of hyenas that ALV fills the gallery with?

And all the back-slapping, big smiles and hugs as they walk out. No decorum whatsoever. A pack of post-menopausal, immature and insensitive women.

ITA!

I wouldn't dare behave the way the DT and fans of the killer behave in the courtroom. Actually, I wouldn't behave that way anywhere! I have manners and respect for others. I was terribly shocked when the laughing ladies weren't asked to leave!

 

[BritsKate]

How can one be subject to emotional and verbal abuse when they are not living under the same roof as the alleged abuser? If Ms. Arias wanted to end the abuse she could have just stopped responding to the victim's emails, texts etcetera. The problem with you trying to equate emotional abuse with murder is that victims don't get a chance to stop the violence. One shot to the head, stab to the chest or knife cutting through the throat and it is over. Ms. Arias is the person who committed this act not Travis. She is the only abuser.

I'm never going to sleep.

What I bolded is actually especially common in teen dating relationships, a genre that is often overlooked. There though you have common factors that make it more likely - attending the same school, often sharing the same friends, and youth coupled with immaturity and inexperience. I can't discount how vicious, and even sometimes lethal, those relationships can be too. (And that's just for educational purposes.) And abusers will often continue to abuse, stalk and harass after the relationship ends despite distance but you make a really valid point...an abuser's goal is control and it is nearly impossible to establish such control, to compel a victim to stay in an abusive relationship, from a thousand mile difference without the aid of a shared property, debt, children, business, etc.

Evidence of Jodi's controlling and quite possibly abusive behaviors come months and even years before Travis was murdered - by her very own testimony.

 

[Boytwnmom]

she's a free citizen, not a criminal and has every right to go anywhere the general public can. I really don't get this hatred for this poor woman who was seemingly a diligent juror who was likely targeted by the defense for just that reason. Give the chick a break. She hasn't done anything wrong. The only criminal is Jodi. If this woman wanted money she would have been on every morning show the first day.

From above link:

So much for waiting until the trial is over. She seems to be enjoying every bit of attention she is getting and can't seem to wait to talk, only concerned with saving her butt. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a financial motivation there, too. Did the judge gag her? She should have because I think only the threat of jail may keep her quite.

 

[Sleuth5]

So let's say ALV is dt's last witness, get thru juror question, redirect and rebuttal.

Now Juan's Rebuttal: We know there is a computer forensics expert, Demarte the psych expert, who else do you think he has?

1) Unicorn handler
2) Tootsie Pop chef
3) Romance Novel Editor
4) Do-it-yourself-home-finger-repair Expert
5) Ninja Instructor
6) Vampire Hunter
7) Bad-presson-lettering-T-Shirt Kit Manufacturer
8) Spiderman
9) JA's Investment Portfolio Manager
10) Simon Cowell