trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #122

[pufnstuf]

So I have a question to everyone who talks crap about the defense? Do you want them to just sit back take it and then give Jodi the opportunity to get an appeal because if they dont defend her that is what is going to happen...and you know they could do that real easliy...

Makes no freaking sense to complain about a state appointed defense team. And talking about them as people and the witnesses, remember they have families, maybe children that read here.. Oh but I guess that is ok

Waiting for the verdict................

LOL.

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All defendants should have capable and skilled attorneys who oversee their cases and protect their interest. It is the choice of the defendant in this case--and her defense team--to create a false narrative and pay off "experts" to testify to the credence of that narrative. At least one member of this defense team doesn't even like the client he's stuck with, so I really have no animosity toward him in that he's stuck defending her. I guess if I don't like the defense, it's because they had a half-dozen different choices for strategy, yet they chose the one that revictimized the victim all over again.

 

[Straitfan]

I was thinking about this this evening while driving and having time on my hands. Honestly, I can't imagine responding to someone who was speaking to me that way in any setting. I can honestly say that until he'd adjusted his tone, I wouldn't be answering the questions and I'd go to jail on a contempt charge if the court were so inclined to mark it with an exclamation point. There's just no excuse, imo.

I agree, though the opinion doesn't bode well with all the JM "fans" but truth is any juror there could be totally turned off with his speaking and tune out of what the case is about, I know I would be. His aggressive behavior will, imo, be a detriment to this trial

 

[StephanieHartPI]

One thing I feel I have to say is that I know in the past many women who were being seriously abused did not self identify because their partner had never laid a hand on them or maybe only once.

I had hoped that by now people would understand this subject better. You do not have to be physically hit to be very seriously abused by your partner. Everything that ALV said, in general [forget about Jodi for a minute], about domestic violence is true. People should pay attention to it. And, yes, given enough time, it will become physical, because it escalates, but by then it may be too late.

IMO

I think we all agree about that, it doesn't have to be physical... but in this case the relationship lasted 4 months and part of that she lived 1280 miles away.

This was not a relationship let alone an abusive one. This was someone crossing paths, becoming obsessed with the other and it quickly became stalking and now someone is dead.

I have had similar, only I am here to talk about it, he is not.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

yes, because it makes me nervous when he wants to take her down a path on the stand and she ain't buyin it. Then he tries again, she acts like she doesn't know what he's talking about.

This is throwing off his momentum. He should have a Plan B and just bait and switch, ditch that line and run with another, bam bam bam.. but move on if she wont take the bait. The jury gets the idea by virtue of his asking.

I know he knows what he wants to do and knows so much more than we think! I just like it to come out in a steady stream.

She was not going for the Snow White thing and I fully admit when she smirked and said "that was JUST a catchy name" she had me going.

That's a lie, that Snow White gal is a running theme with her when I googled it...

It's deceptive things like that she does on the stand that have me fully convinced not to feel sorry for her, she can more than handle herself.

Snow White is NOT just a catchy name to her.

Why would someone of her so-called stature need a "Catchy" theme for something so serious? ALV used the term "catchy" at least two times today. Who was she trying to "catch" or "attract" ?

 

[TigerBalm]

Today? I must have missed that part. I thought that testimony had to do with Snow White's childhood. And I'm seriously not being facetious lol

No, he was actually asking about what ALV understood for the reason the defendant left her parents house before the age of 18..

Go back and listen to the video I posted.

 

[Harmony 2]

FYI, it is against TOS to openly and publicly announce placing someone on your ignore list.

You are welcome to privately use the ignore feature but it is not necessary to announce it to everyone on the threads.

 

[Boytwnmom]

Seems to be a few of these kinds of posts floating around tonight, Boytwnmom. I've just stopped paying attention.

You're right! I just find I really have a soft spot for ole "Tri-color" and I hate seeing her publicly vilified for doing nothing wrong. I feel like she's just another victim of Jodi and her minions. I also hope she made Jodi and her groupies crazy! I can be petty like that!


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[SuperTmo]

So how does Simon fit in?

To inform JA that she has a terrible voice and that she's only a "good singer" in comparison to the crackheads in her county jail.

 

[pufnstuf]

One thing I feel I have to say is that I know in the past many women who were being seriously abused did not self identify because their partner had never laid a hand on them or maybe only once.

I had hoped that by now people would understand this subject better. You do not have to be physically hit to be very seriously abused by your partner. Everything that ALV said, in general [forget about Jodi for a minute], about domestic violence is true. People should pay attention to it. And, yes, given enough time, it will become physical, because it escalates, but by then it may be too late.

IMO

My point went right over your brow.

MY POINT is that there is not one iota of evidence that Travis was offensively abusive to Jodi. NOT ONE IOTA. No broken bones, no photos, nothing but a few messages that he sent when he was trying to RID HIMSELF of Jodi--and that would be in defense of himself after dealing with Jodi's insanity, stalking, obsessive behavior.

I think you're confused on which person in this story is the abused and which is the abuser.

 

[SAgal]

And I agree with you! Bad mistake on his part, IMO. And like you, I have NEVER in all the trials I've watched seen one act like him. Each day that he talks, I get more convinced of the damage it's doing. (And I would not want to be his wife, geezzz, can you imagine?)

I can imagine being married to a brillant, educated, intelligent, man like Juan Martinez!

 

[pufnstuf]

Part of what makes the justice system work- everyone is entitled to a defense. And folks who work at the public defenders office are, in my book, way more closer to the ideal of justice than, say, Kim Kardashian's dad. The same way they represent people like JA, they represent folks who are wrongfully charged and would never be able to pay for a private attorney.

Both sides in this case are doing their job. It's not a popularity contest me thinks. Jmho

I agree with this... but the defense is not powerless in choosing the strategy it exerts in court. And the strategy this defense team has chosen is despicable.

 

[ClosArgs]

Because ALV has had a lot of experience with liars. Abused women lie to everyone all the time.

Because ALV has had a lot of experience with psychopaths. Psychopaths are ace abusers. She never calls Jodi a psychopath after 44 hours of interviews.

Because ALV had access to real time conversations, thousands of words between them, as well as conversations with others, and private writings of both, and knows how to analyze them as an objective observer.

IMO

ALV admits she is neither qualified to test or diagnose a psychopath.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

You're right! I just find I really have a soft spot for ole "Tri-color" and I hate seeing her publicly vilified for doing nothing wrong. I feel like she's just another victim of Jodi and her minions. I also hope she made Jodi and her groupies crazy! I can be petty like that!


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Who was visibly absent from the courtroom today when Juror 5 WAS present? Did someone from the media give her their spot in the gallery? Let's say my husband and I flew from another state and spent the night outside of the courthouse to make sure we get to see Juan Martinez on cross and we are turned away because Juror 5 had precedence.

 

[seattlechiquita]

I agree with this... but the defense is not powerless in choosing the strategy it exerts in court. And the strategy this defense team has chosen is despicable.

That is very true and I agree with you. I wish we knew how the strategy was chosen. I don't think the attorneys are foolish, so it makes me wonder.

 

[Beaglemania]

I didn't say that, so please dont assume you know what I mean if you dont understand.

No, you didn't say that directly, but you clearly implied it. I understand perfectly what you wrote. No assumptions were made. Go back and re-read your post. Travis is not on trial.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Nobody is talking crap about the Defense. It is Offensive to defend someone and manufacture stories, anything and everything from fake abuse to dad abused me and dad is the real killer and travis was a women beater that looked at boys.

That's offensive and not based in reality.

Why can't it be about the truth?

If it means you get the needle, so be it

 

[Truth Detector]

One thing I feel I have to say is that I know in the past many women who were being seriously abused did not self identify because their partner had never laid a hand on them or maybe only once.

I had hoped that by now people would understand this subject better. You do not have to be physically hit to be very seriously abused by your partner. Everything that ALV said, in general [forget about Jodi for a minute], about domestic violence is true. People should pay attention to it. And, yes, given enough time, it will become physical, because it escalates, but by then it may be too late.

IMO

ALV, by casting her lot with this admitted over-killer and slanderer, will set back domestic violence awareness and shoot herself in the career foot at the same time.

In addition to TA, JA will claim additional victims; e.g., RS, ALV et al.

Real domestic violence victims will suffer from the "crying wolf" effect for years to come.

The differences are magnitude, permanence, and the fact that the 'expert witnesses' saw it coming, went in with eyes open, and over the short term, personally profit from it -- most handsomely.

RS and ALV objective evaluators of their subject?

Yeah, right...

 

[scmom]

I still cannot get how stabbing, neck-slashing, and gunshot = self-defense. Just can't get there.

 

[pufnstuf]

I think we all agree about that, it doesn't have to be physical... but in this case the relationship lasted 4 months and part of that she lived 1280 miles away.

This was not a relationship let alone an abusive one. This was someone crossing paths, becoming obsessed with the other and it quickly became stalking and now someone is dead.

I have had similar, only I am here to talk about it, he is not.

It seems so clear... I try to see things from others' perspectives, but I just don't understand how anyone can cast this brief dating thing as a relationship in which one was an abuser deserving of death.

 

[Emmi]

How can one be subject to emotional and verbal abuse when they are not living under the same roof as the alleged abuser? If Ms. Arias wanted to end the abuse she could have just stopped responding to the victim's emails, texts etcetera. The problem with you trying to equate emotional abuse with murder is that victims don't get a chance to stop the violence. One shot to the head, stab to the chest or knife cutting through the throat and it is over. Ms. Arias is the person who committed this act not Travis. She is the only abuser.

I never tried to equate emotional abuse with murder. Don't put words in my mouth, please. And, yes, Jodi is the person who committed murder. Yes, murder is final. But, it's still not a time machine that can go back and erase the emotional abuse--abuse that is very possible without the partners living under the same roof.