trial day 42: the defense continues its case in chief #128

[shane13]

It's unethical and likely obstruction of justice, a crime. But, although it did look like she was signalling, my feeling is it may be a bit subconscious.


BTW, it really is infuriating how this witness is allowed to qualify her answers. The judge should admonish her that she will have a chance to qualify during redirect but must answer yes or no now, if she can.

Thanks.

RE the yes or no: You would think she was on trial the way she is so evasive. Except that she realizes that she is now on trial (in effect), as her whole "expertise" in this matter appears to be so outrageously biased, that her career and life's work is in mortal jeopardy. JMO

 

[AngelWings444]

Well, that's not what I'm seeing. The judge did admonished her not to add to her answers, but not after several objections. She overruled several and was not tough enough in tone or clear enough in explanation as to how Laviolette was being non-responsive.

I know many judges who would have gotten flat angry at her antics. This judge really let her get away with it to the point that I watched JM kind of give up in objecting on many occasions and just let her ramble, because she knew the judge was not going to be of help. It was frustrating to watch. But it also hurt this lady's credibility, IMO.

If she was my witness, I would not be pleased at her performance today. Not at all. All she has to say is, "Yes, but qualified" and that signals Wilmott to ask her to extrapolate during redirect.

All I can say is I can see what's happening based on my own experience. And most of the time I feel the anger on the board toward this judge is due to not understanding exactly how things work or what she is allowed to do. But in this case, I join with those who feel she didn't do her job.

ITA! I don't think she has done a stellar job from the beginning. I believe she has let in things that should not have been let in. She has allowed the courtroom to be a playground for many on the defense side, while putting her foot down to the Alexander family. It's been infuriating. She could have been tougher today, but at least Juan did ask for the admonishment..finally! I hope he doesn't "give up". ALV is not professional at all and she is a horrible witness. Hope it backfires!

I was not disagreeing with you...at all! It was the first time I can a recall that a witness WAS admonished so many times in one day. Maybe the whip will come out more tomorrow!!

 

[writer7]

I have to agree with Laviolette that Travis wasn't afraid of Jodi. Had he been afraid of her, he wouldn't have had sex with her on that fateful day. What man can rise to the occasion with a woman whom he deems has the undoubtful potential to harm him?

I can't say for sure, of course, but I wonder if Travis felt about JA like I did about my best friend-psychopath who eventually committed a horrible crime against me. I would go through, say, a day where I added things up and really wondered about her. I had serious, huge misgivings about her. Then the rest of the following days were just so normal and she was so charming that I felt silly for taking her flaws so seriously. It must have been an overactive imagination on my part, see

I bet he felt silly for fearing JA when she was in front of him with her smile and giggles, etc. You don't get taken in by a psychopath without finding them believable or charming. I bet Travis could not wrap his head around how bad she was, even as he himself voiced concern on occasion. I did that. I almost still don't believe how bad mine was. It's surreal to try to reconcile the awful with the good parts you like[d] about the person.

I have little doubt JA showed up with the most convincing, amazing con we could imagine. And apparently (imho) she seemed really sincere and credible. I could see that. You'd have to know a psychopath like that, maybe. I would have sworn on a stack of Bibles that mine was really harmless about violence and that sort of thing. She's really a monster. It's mind-blowing, seriously.

 

[shane13]

shane, you are kidding, right? Oh man.....

yes I was

 

[PPKik]

Love Juan's sense of humor, the Applebee's Encounter coming soon to a theater near you.

I think he has a wonderful sense of humor (no puns)! The way he uses words. his choice of words back at those witnesses is just one of the reasons I think people are so riveted and fascinated by him. I don't understand why some find him scary, or even mean.

 

[mattzane227]

I know one dam thang, either NG or her producer cannot even FAKE showing "Live" trial.....She totally failed for the last two trial days. We call her "Ms. Dramatic" in our house.....

Yeah today I was watching the trial and then it goes into Nancy Grace's show. She babbles for a while and then they start showing the trial from hours before. Then at the end of her show she says court is over for the day. I was confused.

 

[Hatfield]

Well, that's not what I'm seeing. The judge did admonished her not to add to her answers, but not after several objections. She overruled several and was not tough enough in tone or clear enough in explanation as to how Laviolette was being non-responsive.

I know many judges who would have gotten flat angry at her antics. This judge really let her get away with it to the point that I watched JM kind of give up in objecting on many occasions and just let her ramble, because she knew the judge was not going to be of help. It was frustrating to watch. But it also hurt this lady's credibility, IMO.

If she was my witness, I would not be pleased at her performance today. Not at all. All she has to say is, "Yes, but qualified" and that signals Wilmott to ask her to extrapolate during redirect.

All I can say is I can see what's happening based on my own experience. And most of the time I feel the anger on the board toward this judge is due to not understanding exactly how things work or what she is allowed to do. But in this case, I join with those who feel she didn't do her job.

Thanks Gitana,

She has frustrated me so much during this trial. There was one particular point during today where Juan asked a perfectly valid question of the witness and solely because Wilcott did not like the question, she asked to approach and the judge of course said yes, and they approached and Juan literally limped to join them again.

That was the perfect opportunity for the judge to say...."No, Miss Wilcott you may not approach and if you want to object, you can object just fine from your chair"

It would have gone a long ways to stopping the needless approaches just because Wilcott doesnt like the flow of the questioning.

It is ridiculous to me how Wilcott constantly asks to approach just because she either wants to interrupt the flow OR because she doesn't have a valid objection ready.

This judge IMO is not caring about the jury's time or effort at all. She treats them like they are employees of the court and she is their employer. She shows them little respect IMO.
Another perfect example is when she ordered them out of the court for 3 minutes. Good grief.

 

[shane13]

That guy is hysterical and he gets it, but what is that accent about?

http://youtube/f-mZZcVUKSM?t=1m50s

seems to be gone now.
what'd we miss?

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

yes I was

I know you were but I am dying to see the end of testimony today and cannot find it on Google or here..."I won't take out the whip" (a joke) but man oh man if someone could post the last part of testimony today it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[shane13]

Yeah today I was watching the trial and then it goes into Nancy Grace's show. She babbles for a while and then they start showing the trial from hours before. Then at the end of her show she says court is over for the day. I was confused.

Welcome!!!

 

[katiecoolady]

The judge DID admonish her at least 7 times today! She also didn't let her qualify an answer today. When Juan asked, the judge delivered.

That's right! She has been admonished more than any witness in this trial.

And my Fantasy Foreman, the CEO appeared to write something in his notebook after every time she got admonished. :rocker:

 

[Emmi]

I can't say for sure, of course, but I wonder if Travis felt about JA like I did about my best friend-psychopath who eventually committed a horrible crime against me. I would go through, say, a day where I added things up and really wondered about her. I had serious, huge misgivings about her. Then the rest of the following days were just so normal and she was so charming that I felt silly for taking her flaws so seriously. It must have been an overactive imagination on my part, see

I bet he felt silly for fearing JA when she was in front of him with her smile and giggles, etc. You don't get taken in by a psychopath without finding them believable or charming. I bet Travis could not wrap his head around how bad she was, even as he himself voiced concern on occasion. I did that. I almost still don't believe how bad mine was. It's surreal to try to reconcile the awful with the good parts you like[d] about the person.

I have little doubt JA showed up with the most convincing, amazing con we could imagine. And apparently (imho) she seemed really sincere and credible. I could see that. You'd have to know a psychopath like that, maybe. I would have sworn on a stack of Bibles that mine was really harmless about violence and that sort of thing. She's really a monster. It's mind-blowing, seriously.

Thanks for sharing that, writer7. I suspect you're right that Travis did dismiss his own fears.

And, I'm so sorry this person committed a horrible crime against you.

 

[shane13]

I know you were but I am dying to see the end of testimony today and cannot find it on Google or here...I won't take out the whip but man oh man if someone could post the last part of testimony today it would be greatly appreciated.

Here I found it just for you.
Now if I need free legal advice from your hubby, will you help me?

[video=youtube;0AkuytrIXE4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AkuytrIXE4[/video]

 

[mattzane227]

Welcome!!!

Thanks, I've been lurking for a while and finally decided to sign up. Usually if I have something to say 5 people have already beat me to it. It's hard to keep up with the break-neck pace of the threads!

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

That's right! She has been admonished more than any witness in this trial.

And my Fantasy Foreman, the CEO appeared to write something in his notebook after every time she got admonished. :rocker:

Do we know yet what the Judge did if anything about ALV reaching down and saying something to TA's sister Samantha while she was relieving herself from the courtroom to relieve herself ?

Oh! Fantasy Foreman! This is the first day any jurors were seen taking notes since ALV took the stand, it that right?

 

[shane13]

Thanks, I've been lurking for a while and finally decided to sign up. Usually if I have something to say 5 people have already beat me to it.

That's OK. Scientific studies prove 6 people must say something before people believe it.

 

[otto]

Why is the witness constantly trying to upstage the prosecutor and why does she always say: "Well, Mr Marinez, blah blah blah and I don't understand ... what's your point?"
That's the witness.

The Prosecutor is not belaboring irrelevant points, he is drawing attention to inconsistencies in the logic.

 

[Imprint]

Well, that's not what I'm seeing. The judge did admonished her not to add to her answers, but not after several objections. She overruled several and was not tough enough in tone or clear enough in explanation as to how Laviolette was being non-responsive.

I know many judges who would have gotten flat angry at her antics. This judge really let her get away with it to the point that I watched JM kind of give up in objecting on many occasions and just let her ramble, because she knew the judge was not going to be of help. It was frustrating to watch. But it also hurt this lady's credibility, IMO. (snip)

It was good to see Juan turning to the judge and forcing the admonitions (however weakly delivered), but it was fun to watch him allow her to ramble on as well, because it made the "Are you done? Now answer the question." part awfully effective in that, as you suggest, it highlights the notion that ALV is a bag of gas. That her rambling testimony, to Juan, while annoying, was utterly meaningless to him and he isn't afraid of what she might say.

The net effect is very insulting to ALV, and she seems to be feeling that barb.

 

[shane13]

It IS gone! I was just watching it. It's Mikee Daniels. Someone posted a link the other night and tonight. I couldn't stop laughing. It's his assessment of the trial with commentary and trial video. He's definitely on the right side. Looking for a link.

It must have been good and true--if they forced it down!

 

[katiecoolady]

Do we know yet what the Judge did if anything about ALV reaching down and saying something to TA's sister Samantha while she was relieving herself from the courtroom to relieve herself ?

Oh! Fantasy Foreman! This is the first day any jurors were seen taking notes since ALV took the stand, it that right?

No they've been taking notes all along (the note takers). I don't know anything about the consequence of that but I do know at the end of trial Thurs. Martinez asked to speak to the Judge in chambers. I have a feeling it was about that. Wish he'd done it publicly though, not in front of the jury, but in front of the gallery/cameras/ALV herself.