trial day 43: the defense continues its case in chief #131

[ksmith75]

O/T but is there an official Mike B. fan club, or do I just have to say I think he is "Juanderful" ? I am totally enamored by Mr. Martinez, Mr. Flores, and Mike B. Sorry for any misspelling. MOO. and no offence intended.

 

[fuzzybutter]

I kinda feel sorry for Nurmi. He sure doesn't look like his heart is into this. He can barely motivate himself to pick up his pen and write anything, he is slumped in his chair with a look of utter disgust on his face (which I now don't think is directed at JM), he takes little catnaps, when he walks up to the judges bench with his head tucked and chin on his chest he looks like he is doing the walk of shame, and he has separated himself from Wilma and Einstein at the end of the table. He and Wilma barely chat it up in consult anymore. He clocks in, clocks out. Does his 8 and hits the gate. He looks like he is there against his will, hoping this hell will end soon and he still has enough remains of a reputation to scrape together.
Anyone else get this vibe?

I agree sometimes he looks bereft. He is probably tired because he spent all weekend writing crazy motions on Saturday and delivering them on Sunday. I do agree that he just wants it over.

 

[SyraKelly]

You're taking it the wrong way. I don't post because of the grammar police.

I was just about to post the same thing-WELCOME BTW

 

[TartLemon]

According to the THs, ALV has a fan section in the gallery that jumps up to congratulate her during every break.

Uhhhhh..... This trial is about Jodi murdering Travis Alexander as she confessed. It's not an outdated man hating 70s feminist rally or seminar. I know I've said this many times, but somebody needs to bring this to the courtroom, too.

 

[LinasK]

For sure. It makes me enjoy them that much more lol. Hope your feeling better now LinasK :seeya:

Yup! Tore myself away- dyed my hair and got a hair cut, "spa day" for me!!! (That's not me in my avatar, that's my missing cousin without the hair)

 

[Sleuth5]

Wilmott looks totally po'ed--and now the judge is blowing off most of her objections I think her head might explode. I think she truly thought she was good enough to beat Juan. Probably a mistake.

Nurmi, despite his crazy motions, doesn't seem to be taking this so personally. Nurmi has always realized that the only point of this case is to try and keep JA alive. I don't think wilmott has realized this.

Sometimes when I see Nurmi watching Juan, he seems almost admiring of Juan's strategy--on a lawyer to lawyer level.

I wouldn't be surprised about that at all with KN. They are professionals, after all, and argument is all about logical construction and support. I would expect some admiration for a good argument from either side in all cases.

 

[cubbeegirl]

He most definitely gives the impression he is not into the last two witnesses, and especially this one. Perhaps because ALV and Nurmi are on opposite planes? ALV who has an obvious dislike for men, as all men are the abusers (and not the women), and Nurmi who has specialized in defending sex offenders, who are normally men? I highly doubt this witness was one of Nurmi's choice. Also, could it be JA wasn't quite as honest with him when she was testifying? He did appear to have to lead her to the answers he needed. It really does appear he does not want to be in the courtroom.

MOO

I have definitely been getting the same impression from him, in fact remarked about it to a friend just yesterday.

 

[elementary]

Originally Posted by BritsKate
Old school domestic violence 101 used to preach that anger is the reason for abuse. And LaViolette is a strong proponent for court-ordered anger management as a solution, in part, to domestic violence.

I see abuse as entirely about control with anger being one of many manifestations utilized to establish and maintain control. I am against court-ordered anger management therapies because I believe they have the ability to teach an abuser to adapt and be more covert. Especially true with psychopathic abusers. (Research shows a moderate success rate looking purely at recidivism in arrests. Victims have a much different opinion according to a lot of the same research.)

It seems to me and my 'untrained brain' that LaViolette is using an antiquated notion of the causation of domestic violence itself. Travis expresses anger openly while Jodi is more subtly (raging) passive-aggressive among a whole list of other emotional manipulators very often used by abusers to control their victims. If I were only looking for anger...apart from the crime itself, and precluded any other manifestation as evidence of an abusive relationship, I'm not certain I'd see her as an abuser either.

I'm not defending LaViolette as I do honestly believe she's dangerous in her own way. I think it just hit me why I see black where she sees white and vice versa. The past few decades of research flies in the face of her testimony regardless.

MOO

BBM

I agree and I softened towards her a bit this afternoon once I realized that much of the pertinent info was kept from her by the defense. They kind of hung her out to dry , AND ALSO, as you pointed out, she was from the old school of DV, which was much more cut and dry and gender and anger based. JMO

How is willful ignorance any sort of justification in an expert witness???? She never bothered to keep up with current research and understanding. Even when she wanted to do a bit more research she says the DT prevented her. She could have walked at any time.

She chose to remain ignorant in all sorts of ways. She chose to make the lives of countless couples out there miserable and worse, because of fanaticism co-opting outmoded thought. Geez. She and her outdated views are a danger to the trusting, damaged, vulnerable and gullible. She really knows how to work that old-fashioned lady persona, a very compelling facade that sucks people in.

 

[pferrin]

Dr. Drew and his guests have focused a lot tonight on the wooden spoon that Jodi asserts her mother would regularly hit her with when Jodi was a child.

My Mom didn't use a wooden spoon, but the thing that stands out to me and my sister, even all these years later, was the FLY-SWATTER! When we were teenage girls, Mom didn't actually hit us with it, although it may have swiped us briefly one or two times. No, all she had to do was THREATEN to use the fly-swatter on us if we didn't behave. The thought of squished fly guts touching us in ANY way was MORE than enough to keep us line, at least temporarily :biggrin:

Lordy Lordy Lordy...I and my siblings all got the switches and worse.

I was talking with a freind about this case and other challenges thru our lives and the thing that I couldnt figure out

All the therapists, pschologists and psychiatrists have realized all along...I cant think like her cause I dont have her brain.

Yep I know I am slow to realize this ..it has finally dawned on me(cause my freind is really smart) I cant think like ja or sociopaths or narsicists or psychopaths because I am not one.

I kept trying to find why anyone would do this ..I cant think like her. I am glad to have that peace of mind. We cant figure her out because we wouldnt do those things to Travis,

 

[Boytwnmom]

Seems so odd to me. Maybe one of our lawyers can tell us if this is normal or not but it seems, on the face of it, amateurish.

That is part of the issue with using her as an "expert". She's only expert at finding women are victims of DV. Why write a report? She has no ability, training or education to find anything other than that the defendant is a victim of DV.

Even Samuels was at least qualified to administer tests that could be used to provide an actual diagnosis. Alyce has no such training. She is an advocate for women victims of DV. That is her only "expertise". She is not a clinician and the only thing she can "diagnose"is victim hood due to DV. And she diagnoses based on criteria she develops and can change at will as it is not based on anykind of science.

I'm hopeful the jury will simply dismiss her testimony due to lack of any objective basis, selective fact gathering, avoidance of anything that would "speak" ill of Jodi and full of animosity toward the slaughtered murder victim for the sole reason he was male, not to mention their likely diagnosis of her as either being criminally gullible or so hopelessly biased she refuses to distinguish truth from lies.o

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[ILikeToBendPages]

If DeMarte is the States Expert, I'll bet my bottom dollar she wrote one. And she WON'T defend Travis till the cows come home. She will admit, and rightfully so, that JA and TA were toxic together. And because she is willing to point out TA had some flaws it will ring true to the Jurors and us. ALV screwed herself by refusing to cop to anything. She ruined herself all by herself. Perhaps tomorrow the rose colored glasses will come off...that's if she remembers them.

Her laptop was stolen in February. Don't know if she had her report on it and if she had some back ups

 

[TexMex]

This has probably already been discussed, so apologize but I'm still catching up with testimony today, and watching DD. I can't believe JA was caught on camera cheekily "sustaining" one of the judge's objections. Her narcissism is starting to show more and more as this trial goes along. Does she not realize that the jury is probably watching her in court? She got quite the look from JW when she did that.

She is some piece of work.

If only she hadn't dropped out of high school, spent her 20's stalking various boyfriends and killed Travis, Jodi might have been a judge :banghead:

 

[Lorelilly]

You're taking it the wrong way. I don't post because of the grammar police.

None of us do. The Queen of Grammar is locked up tight tonight in her crowded little dirty cold cell. AMEN!:rocker:

 

[Pink Panther]

I hope, hope, hope that some of JW's peers reach out to her and counsel her that her usual style of questioning is not going to resurrect ALV. While I'm not sure there is anything she can do for damage control (from my biased point of view), the jury does not need to be tortured with a syllable by syllable rehash.

Hahaha...Tell the truth! You're just hoping we don't have to listen to the entire cross again with leading questions after each point!

:what:

I know what you mean!

moo

 

[katydid23]

I love Mark Eiglarsh, I really do BUT...If I hear one more time that he says that JM is not getting to the point fast enuf, I might call HLN myself. Does he not see that if she would answer his questions...off the bat!...that this wouldn't take so long and JM COULD get to his point quicker...sheesh is Mark watching the same trial I am????

I agree.

Mark ALWAYS says " why doesn't JM carefully craft his questions?"
and he says " Juan Martinez should be more finely honed with his cross."

SERIOUSLY? Does ME ever notice that Juan enters court in the morning with a carefully organized stack of exhibits, and he goes through them in perfect order, without referring to an outline or any notes? JJeeezzzhhhhhhh. Sometimes I think ME is not really paying very close attention. JMO

 

[kayice]

Siblings fighting and causing the parent to drive recklessly would be the reason Mom had to take a spoon with her. Parents don't usually just pull over to the side of the road to enjoy beating their children with a spoon. Jodi wouldn't behave, I'll bet. Anyways, you can't send kids for time out to their rooms when you're in a car. The spoon stories are going in the pile with the toberones.

Gee Whiz, I mean, her parents could've gotten in big danger or trouble because Jodi was growing pot on their roof and they didn't know it. Jodi put the whole family in danger at age 14. It was just a long string of bad decisions, ya know.

Not to offend anyone that likes Kate Gosselin, but I know Jodi reads tabloids. Kate was busted with pictures and online around that timeline by using wooden spoons on her kids...Jodi might have picked up this storyline. Kate Gosselin carried a wooden spoon in her car even. jmho where she might have gotten this story/lie?

 

[Callisto]

I with AZ...I have never seen any grammar police :moo:

I would know if there were grammar police, I rarely can form a proper sentence when ranting and raving about this case! All just jumbles and rambles... I go back sometimes and read what I have written and just shake my head at how scattered and unorganized it is or how none of the verbs agree with each other. :jail: I am delightfully surprised that the folks here generally don't harp on the petty stuff :great::rocker: :moo::seeya:

I think any mention of run-on sentences was as a joke in reference to the current witness on the stand whose idea of a 1 sentence response was a major run! :truce:

 

[PrincessSezMe]

This has probably already been discussed, so apologize but I'm still catching up with testimony today, and watching DD. I can't believe JA was caught on camera cheekily "sustaining" one of the judge's objections. Her narcissism is starting to show more and more as this trial goes along. Does she not realize that the jury is probably watching her in court? She got quite the look from JW when she did that.

She is some piece of work.

 

[minor4th]

According to the THs, ALV has a fan section in the gallery that jumps up to congratulate her during every break.

Uhhhhh..... This trial is about Jodi murdering Travis Alexander as she confessed. It's not an outdated man hating 70s feminist rally or seminar. I know I've said this many times, but somebody needs to bring this to the courtroom, too.

No doubt she has her own cult following -- kinda like Juan, but we're cooler and a lot more rational

Now y'all make me laugh or cheer me up cuz I'm sick

 

[Sleuth5]

I have the worst grammar & no one has ever corrected me.We are very respectful here!

Let's put an end to this right now. We all know there is only one supreme grammatical authority, and she's busy right now huddling with her lawyers and writing endlessly like a maniacal second grader. We iz safe her 4 now folkes.