trial day 44: the defense continues its case in chief #134

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  • #721
I have a question that has been bothering me...the defense has referenced it quite a few times during the trial and it seems to be part of the reason why Jodi was so-called abused.

Their first sexual encounter, oral sex, was upsetting to Jodi because she felt it was too soon. Why is this used as part of her being abused? She never made it known to TA that she was uncomfortable/didnt want it and she never said NO! Fear of rejection is HER craziness not his. How was he to know she wasnt enjoying it fully if she never said no and she never said she was uncomfortable! Same with anal sex...I dont get where this is a serious issue with TA when it was never made known she had issues with it, and in fact quite the contrary, she acted like it was great. I feel like i am missing something here since so much time and energy has been spent fighting over this....what am I missing?
Abusers escalate to a more serious relationship really quickly...in reality, they want to make the victim somehow dependent on them in order to establish control.

Like, hmm, I don't know - using sex as a tool and weapon with what seems to be - based on testimony - a relatively physically inexperienced Mormon guy? ;)

(Until I hear from the endless list of women he was supposedly intimate with - I refuse to take the account of a prolific and proven liar even into account.)
 
  • #722
  • Ms. ALV you do not see a pattern with Jodi....look closely at this picture of Travis Alexanders back, stabbed multiple times, what pattern do you think your men's group can see.

  • Ms. ALV you state that your men's group would find it abusive if their daughters were talked to in a long strand of 'mean' words...so I can assess that none of the men in your group have a son, and like you, only find it abusive if directed at a female.
 
  • #723
Yep, Jodi gets the DP and gets put on the row or even while awaiting appeal, the attention will eventually dry up, people will get fed up. Look at her supporters, ahem. The attention will go away and Jodi will start acting out for it. Just put the killer in the hole or whatever they do to the evil-doers.
 
  • #724
I think she's an expert in taking a 30yr old college degree and turning it into a lucrative business doing seminars, mandatory anger management courses, getting her name on books written by other people and "fudging" her CV to make people think she's an "expert". IMO, she's nothing more than a person with a gift of the gab and an ability to BS with the best of them. Oh and a sneaky "business woman". She did this for the money. Period. And her attitude with JM is just her absolute dislike for him which likely started in the pre trial hearings and interviews. She had it out for him before she ever took the stand in the actual trial. For her it's about power and control over him and trying to get him to "lose it" in front of the jury to prove her point about abusive men.

MOO
(BBM)



Sayyyyyy....now you are good. Yesterday and today I was :banghead: trying to think of what her possible motivation would be to spar with JM the way she has been. I was looking at it from a character flaw.

BUT, what if this is actually a very swift plot as you say to make JM look bad by losing his temper in front of everyone....very good. You get a gold star.
 
  • #725
I have a question that has been bothering me...the defense has referenced it quite a few times during the trial and it seems to be part of the reason why Jodi was so-called abused.

Their first sexual encounter, oral sex, was upsetting to Jodi because she felt it was too soon. Why is this used as part of her being abused? She never made it known to TA that she was uncomfortable/didnt want it and she never said NO! Fear of rejection is HER craziness not his. How was he to know she wasnt enjoying it fully if she never said no and she never said she was uncomfortable! Same with anal sex...I dont get where this is a serious issue with TA when it was never made known she had issues with it, and in fact quite the contrary, she acted like it was great. I feel like i am missing something here since so much time and energy has been spent fighting over this....what am I missing?

Because Jodi's inner thoughts and feelings--except when it comes to journaling, tape recordings, and photographs--are evidence in this trial.:facepalm:

You're right in what you say. But they are trying to make her into a meek little mouse of a woman who had to pretend to like everything the big, bad Travis wanted. Why? I don't know. Why does she have to act this way with a man she didn't even live in the same state with? Then go live in his state after they broke up over him cheating? I do not know. Then they tried that mormon, spiritual authority over her crap. I think that might have gone out of the window after ALV's direct.

I can't buy her not liking the sex when she recalls it fondly and in light of the fact that she had sex with previous men. If she didn't like Travis' sex, she should have left. Like I said the other night, who tries anal sex a few times with a few different men and doesn't know enough to tell Travis she doesn't like to have it by that point? And if you're experimenting with anal sex with past lovers, when is it going to occur to you to use some lube? With the last man? Really?
 
  • #726
I"m just getting to watch the rest of Juan's cross-examination, and I am so proud of Juan -- he performed with such precision, such grace and finesse and intelligence today. He did not get gruff with her or "loud" -- he was just tenacious about getting actual answers to his questions.

The more LaViolette testifies, the more obvious it is that she is biased to the point of being blinded or she is biased to the point of lying about the relational dynamics and behaviors of Travis and Jodi.

I thought she was a pretty good witness for the defense until Juan got to her, and if she had just answered Juan's questions with yes or no, like she was supposed to, her testimony would have still maybe had some value for the defense -- However - her refusal to answer any question without qualifications and excuses, and concluding that Travis was lying when he told a friend he was extremely afraid of Jodi's stalking behaviors (a month or two before she slaughtered him), refusing to even acknowledge the possibility that Jodi's behaviors were stalker-ish or even evidence of jealousy, and repeatedly concluding that a behavior is abusive if it's done by Travis but it's a sign of being an abuse victim when the same behavior is done by Jodi -- her testimony has been rendered completely worthless for the defense.

Also, I caught Wilmott cueing the witness with head nods and shakes from defense counsel, as well as conspicuously leading the witness during redirect and her inappropriate speaking objections -- and LaViolette was trying hard to follow the cues she was given like a good hired gun, even when it meant changing her answer on the spot.

I do not understand Wilmott's behavior most of all. It's clear that Laviolette is biased, so I understand that. But Wilmott - why would she do these things that are so obvious and so unethical? No one is going to blame the defense team if Jodi is convicted of 1st degree murder and even sentenced to death, and there's no way Wilmott really believes that Jodi killed Travis in self defense ...so why put her integrity and reputation on the line like this for Jodi?
 
  • #727
My heart breaks for the Alexander family as they have to sit and witness their brothers’ execution of character and good name. Just deplorable.

Wow...how wonderful it would be for your story to be read in court, just one example of what actual domestic abuse really is.

God bless you my friend. I hope you sleep so peacefully tonight, knowing you blessed alot of people with your story. Thank you for sharing it..
 
  • #728
I struggle with the term verbally abusive because it alludes to an abusive relationship being diminished to simple name calling and it is just so much more destructive and debilitating than that term conveys (I know that wasn't your implication at all) - just gotta get that out there. Psychologically (or emotionally) abusive relationships often have verbal abuse as a major theme, in addition to many other psychological manipulators and abusive tactics - physical and sexual abuse very often have elements of psychological abuse in addition to more overt acts like sexual coercion, battery, and rape.

Regardless of type and severity of abuse though an abusive personality, and an abusive relationship, almost always have certain markers. Abusers tend to be insanely possessive of what they deem to be theirs. So, theoretically, yes - someone who is actually abusive could snap on someone over something as insignificant as a camera in an instant...a rage attack by an abuser is absolutely terrifying to experience...

However, they'd be a whole lot more likely to snap and rage over their ruined BMW than a camera, while also wet and naked. ;)

And congrats Raine on your 33 years of 'abuse' - may you have many, many more! :great:

For some reason my "Thank you" button isnt available so I wanted to let you know I really appreciate your insight.
 
  • #729
I've read the WS forums for years and just registered because of this case. I read about it initially in 2008, saw the first broadcast of the 48 Hours show, and didn't pay to much mind til I got caught up in a conversation about it right after the trial started. Am a lifelong resident of Arizona, but my interest was PTSD with memory loss of the Trauma (OMG), because I too, have PTSD, but w/ALL the memories...but that's on another thread.
Just wanted to make a few observations:
Taken into fact that this occurred in June of 2008.....
1. The port of entry at the Hoover dam was in a different place, and "post 911", there was a closer scrutiny of vehicles. JA wouldn't have gone through with an upside down license plate w/o being stopped. (I believe her plate was turned upside down in Utah, to give an "Official" alibi to her story, via Law Enforcement)
2. Arizona only requires the rear license plate. Removing the front would allow the vehicle to be backed into a parking area and not be "identified" unless a person got behind the vehicle to read the plate.
3. Most of the main highways coming and going between Calif. and Ariz. were heavily watched on the Az side by DPS, Border Patrol, and County Sheriff Depts. due to the upsurge in drug cartel trafficking. A single female, driving a rental, with an upside down plate, and the weight of 15 gallons of gas in cans in the trunk weighing the rear of the vehicle down more than usual, would be enough for any Law Enforcement Officer to pull her over. Run that by any of your Law Enforcement friends and they'll tell you it smells like drug running, if not just strongly suspicious of something. (My bro in Law is retired Law Enforcement)
4. JA worked at a restaurant, which more than likely had "Professional Grade" chef's knives in the food prep area. These are far more sharper than the regular knives found in the average home kitchen. None of the knives photo'd at the scene looked like they could have been used. We raise our own meat for the freezer, and have to continually sharpen the knives we use when processing, and these are knives specifically made for the job. J/S
5. In 2008, you were still required to have a CCW in Ariz, if you had a concealed weapon on you, or concealed in your vehicle. JA would more than likely have disposed of the .25 cal immediately in case she was stopped by Law Enforcement. (Upside down plate would have made it a done deal driving through Mesa, Phoenix, or the highways surrounding)
6. The above brings up the issue of:
a.) Why would Travis have a .25 cal, a "boot/vest" gun preferred by women because of it's small size
b.) If he bought it for protection outside of the home, he would have needed a CCW, unless he wore it unconcealed in a holster (ok, it's a mute point, no one carries a .25 cal unconcealed, it's small to specifically BE concealed)
c.) As a gun owner, wouldn't he have felt the obligation to tell the other 2 adults in his household that there was a fire arm in the house
d.) If it was for protection, why wasn't it in his night stand, instead of back on the top shelf of his closet
e.) No one buys one .25 cal FMJ hollow point mag bullet, or 7, if you believe it had a 7 cartridge magazine, (it wasn't a revolver because of the spent shell casing) you can't, you have to buy a BOX....... so where's the box
f.) Where's the gun cleaning kit/holster
g.) Why would he not tell his friend he went shooting with
Just some random thoughts. I don't believe Travis had expected her, she snuck in like she had in the past, took pics of him on the bed as he was just waking up and he threw her out. She later came back, hid, and waited for him to be otherwise occupied and took pics of herself with the timer on the camera, (hey, we all know she's beyond strange) secrets herself again until he's in the shower and surprises him. The bed linens were thrown in the washer because she laid on them for her pics and wasn't going to take any chances. The fibers? She possibly used a throw pillow off his bed or chair to silence the gun (No GSR, stippling, etc,) and took it with her.
Another very odd, and possibly telling, item. An inmate at the Estrella jail told NG (on camera) that JA told her she was in there because she had killed her pedophile BF, dismembered, and "scattered" him around the county. (I ended up watching that because it had been inserted during the noon break of a trial day video on Youtube) Did JA's original plan not go the way it had been arranged? The neck wound was far more extreme than one would expect, unless?
Just my random thought, folks, had to purge them. :desert:
 
  • #730
Good heavens, TXHoney. That is totally disgusting. She just can't keep her darn mouth shut, can she?? I'll bet Donavon and Arias BOTH are just loving the spotlight. BARF

I really wish they hadn't bothered to print that "news" article until after the trial when the PRISON she is sent to can hopefully get a handle on her behaviour. This is just going to ramp up her "followers", bring more "fans" of murderers into her web and start a whole Casey Anthony like circus around her.

MOO
 
  • #731
I think she's an expert in taking a 30yr old college degree and turning it into a lucrative business doing seminars, mandatory anger management courses, getting her name on books written by other people and "fudging" her CV to make people think she's an "expert". IMO, she's nothing more than a person with a gift of the gab and an ability to BS with the best of them. Oh and a sneaky "business woman". She did this for the money. Period. And her attitude with JM is just her absolute dislike for him which likely started in the pre trial hearings and interviews. She had it out for him before she ever took the stand in the actual trial. For her it's about power and control over him and trying to get him to "lose it" in front of the jury to prove her point about abusive men.

MOO
Very true. If the cause was really that important to her, she would have contributed some research or innovation to the field. She's all ego and self-promotion. Don't know how that jibes with being licensed to do what she purports to do.
 
  • #732
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Spiderman, spiderman, does whatever a spider can!
 
  • #733
I've got to call it a day peeps. But I will go to bed with prayers on my lips for the Alexanders and Juan. Listening to ALV trash Travis must be devastating for them all.
Good night, friends.
 
  • #734
Oh dear oh dear. I was just watching a Dr Drew rerun from tonight and they said the defense is going to have another witness .

I wonder who it is going to be

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  • #735
I was somewhat amused tonight when I heard HLN on the tv while I was working tonight. Apparently, my hubby, who hasnt been following the trial other than my rants, decided to sit down and listen to some of the THs discuss alyce's testimony.

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  • #736
Aha !!! That's what I was trying to think of earlier.....Would an abused woman tell a Man that was "abusing" her that she looked forward to a well-deserved spanking? IMO, she used sex to draw Travis in and he couldn't resist - He let the "Devil" in unfortunately.....

BTW, I'm still searching for testimony where violette says that jodey said she shot Travis in the closet.
 
  • #737
Oh dear oh dear. I was just watching a Dr Drew rerun from tonight and they said the defense is going to have another witness .

I wonder who it is going to be

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From what I have seen on here, I believe it will be someone that talks about the validity of the "Phone Sex Tape".
 
  • #738
As I understand it, the attorneys will plead their cases before only the judge - then she will decide. And she is SO afraid of an appeal, I can guess what her answer will be.


BTW - I'm NOT even close to being an attorney. lol

They'll get the self defense instruction and the "history of abuse" instruction because that is part of their affirmative defense that was plead in 2010. The instructions are very, very specific, however, and there's no way to fit the evidence (even if believed) into a battered woman self defense.
 
  • #739
(BBM)



Sayyyyyy....now you are good. Yesterday and today I was :banghead: trying to think of what her possible motivation would be to spar with JM the way she has been. I was looking at it from a character flaw.

BUT, what if this is actually a very swift plot as you say to make JM look bad by losing his temper in front of everyone....very good. You get a gold star.

ALV's life has been spent telling men that they are abusive to women and putting them in timeouts in her little groups. She has this job because of her need to control and exert power over men. JM, however, is not having it.
 
  • #740
Have you guys seen this article: http://wap.myfoxphoenix.com/w/main/story/89085749/

FOX 10 News has learned that Jodi Arias is operating her own Twitter page from jail, communicating with hundreds of followers -- mocking the prosecutor and even taking shots at cable host Nancy Grace.

Whoever is behind this is nuts...
 
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