trial day 44: the defense continues its case in chief #134

[Juli]

BBM - That is what JA wanted the law enforcement to believe. That there was two people involved - hence the gunshot wound and the stabbings and slashing of the throat.

I think that very well may be the case too. She was going with that "two people" story from the beginning. I can't remember her exact words, but she even suggested it to the detective (before her Ninja story). She said something like two people would've had to of been involved because Travis was so strong. It's quite possible that she took two weapons for that very purpose with the intent to use both as one more way to deflect attention away from herself.

 

[Turnadot]

BBM - That is what JA wanted the law enforcement to believe. That there was two people involved - hence the gunshot wound and the stabbings and slashing of the throat.

This is what I think too, hence her original story of two people breaking in etc.

Arias acted alone, IMO.

 

[TartLemon]

I don't understand how a complete list for Pros rebuttal witnesses already could be released. They don't know what needs to be rebutted until the witnesses for the DT have finished their testimony.

 

[PenElaine]

You know, putting aside all the angst I feel for the defence's awful expert witnesses, Wilmott and Nurmi would have been much better off to get them both over and done with, in two days respectively. 'State your findings, and how you came by them.'

All I can remember of Samuels now is that he:

1. talked about a shrinking hippopotamus;
2. diagnosed 'fog';
3. cheated on test sheets; and
4. had a crush on Arias

LaViolette has left me with the memory of;

1. a man-hating control freak;
2. incredibly rude and obnoxious to both the prosecutor and the judge;
3. a disgrace to the Domestic Violence movement; and
4. had a crush on Arias

ETA: (and a weak bladder) :floorlaugh:

That was the funniest thing I read all day!!! Well done and thanks!

 

[MaryNo]

She's a psychopathic, stalking, narcissistic, cold blooded killer who would never allow someone else to steal her pleasure. She would never share the enjoyment of killing Travis - he was hers; her possession. She enjoyed it. It was personal (stabbing is an upclose and personal assault).

She believes she's smarter than anyone in the room (courtroom), and is going to hang this jury, get manslaughter at retrial, sentenced to 6 yrs. and be out with time served.

If this demon isn't sentenced to death, she'll be talking like a magpie, bragging about what she did. She's already told others in jail that she's in there for killing her pedo bf, dismembering him, and scattering his parts throughout the county. This is not someone who ever wanted or needed help.

Telling Gus that Travis was dead, but not telling him she did the deed tells me she just needed to tell someone how she'd "won", without admitting anything that would get her the needle.

I believe Matt is helping her post-murder to avoid a murder 1 conviction. Though, self defense as a verdict, in my opinion, has been totally blown out of the water.

I've entertained that thought too (going to Cancun then being rejected) but then the car rental time-line wouldn't fit in.

True, she could've told the agent one thing (returning car on 6/6) especially after lying to him to begin with (saying she wanted it to run errands around town) and do another but to rent a car for that amount of time would've cost her a lot of money, no?

I still think there was someone else involved. Perhaps she had a back-up plan and was going to have the rental car stolen?.....like her grandfather's gun/DVD player?

My gut tells me Matt and/or Gus were involved.
The fact that she called Gus the night she killed Travis, to tell him that Travis was dead doesn't bode well with me.
Why?.....why would she call Gus to tell him that? He was a work associate of hers, not a BFF!
I just can't tie it all together.

Then we have Matt.
Somewhere during Jodi's cross-exam she said something about not being able to contact Matt until he got 'there'. Where's 'there'????

 

[Juli]

I do agree that the prosecution should have had a Domestic Violence Expert. The Defense Expert Domestic Violence Expert - to me - comes across as overly biased to The Defense. Of course, this makes sense (since she is 'their' witness). However, she contradicts herself all of the time. IMO, I think that a person familiar with terms such as 'battered women syndrome,' the DSM - could be sitting in court as The Defense Expert Domestic Violence Expert.

The Defense Expert Domestic Violence Expert, I do not feel as though she really is an expert in this field. Plus, I think that this expert gives testimony that is very manipulating. For instance, "throwing" in comments such as, "when we have children things we swore we would never do, we end up doing."

Children do not have any merit in this case - Arias, and, Travis Alexander were not a married couple with children. This witness although her true ability as a Domestic Violence Expert comes across as questionable from her own testimony - this witness is very skilled at weaving irrelevant stories with a clear motive to get someone in the jury to say, "I said things to my children I swore I never would - Arias must have had reason to murder Travis Alexander." Plus, this expert witness, IMO, behaved inappropriately towards The State by saying things such as, "are you mad at me ... Mr. Martinez ... I am being bullied by you (JM).

Really - this expert witness felt bullied by JM? This is a witness that is supposed to be "hands on" with both abuse victims and abusers. Yet, JM bullied this witness?

No, I do not believe so. I think that the above is another example of how this witness knowingly, willingly, and happily said things on the stand to purposely try to make JM look bad in front of the jury. Also, why couldn't this witness answer The State's questions? She could answer the defense questions without any forced difficulty.

I do think that the prosecution should have had a domestic violence expert. If for no other reason, just so that a reasonable, well trained, well educated, and person motivated with having the best interests, and, well being of abuse victims / abusers could have been heard.

I think Dr. Janeen DeMarte will speak to all of this. One of her specialty areas is domestic violence. She has a wide range of specialties, so it seems as though she'll be able to touch on every issue the DT has labeled JA with in their effort to portray her as the victim.


http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/name/Janeen_DeMarte_PhD_Phoenix_Arizona_136525

 

[Whisperer]

During Juan's reading of the text to ALV about when Travis called JA a sociopath, JA kind of perked up. Strange thing is, she really has that look, I mean of a psychopath. The way she sits there with that blank, empty stare and that smirk or half smile. Shiverrrrrr.... that girl really is creepy.

All I do is focus the area beneath JA's lower lip. It is really strange. I can't get past it. It detracts from her entire face.

 

[SunDawnn]

BBM - That is what JA wanted the law enforcement to believe. That there was two people involved - hence the gunshot wound and the stabbings and slashing of the throat.

I realize that but I also think her intruder story has an element of truth to it.

I've been all over this for months now. I know what she said, how she said it and perhaps 'why' she said it but once I inject another person into this tragic event, it makes a lot more sense.

Because the mere fact that Travis let her into his house that day, blows my mind. I just can't imagine him agreeing. But I do have some wiggle room with that however, that doesn't negate the possibility that Jodi was dropped off, did her thing (lured him to bed then) pretended to leave.....sneaked back as an intruder (taking clandestine photos from the closet) with a cohort then attacked him.

I don't believe she parked her rental car in his driveway as she stated (because the roommate didn't see an extra car) nor do I believe she parked it down the street and walked nonchalantly with a gun, knife and blood gambling the chance of not being seen.
I know she has moxie but I can't fathom anyone having THAT much, ya know?

 

[SuperTmo]

My Mom died on Monday I have missed the trial since the and was wondering if anything worthwile has happened?

I'm so sorry.

 

[PPKik]

JMO
What really upsets me with ALV is that she had to have known that Jodi is lying about being physically abused and yet she chose to testify to the contrary just for money.

Some people were trying to give her the benefit of the doubt that maybe she was duped by the defense team, but IMO, I firmly believe she was not duped at all and just sided with the defense just for money.

The main reason I feel this way is because she herself said that she tries to use other information to corroborate what someone is telling her. Weeeelllllllllllllll, then why didnt she talk with her parents for 5 minutes each, which is the exact amount of time it took both of her parents to practically yell out to LE officer that Jodi has had serious mental issues.
We know the reason that ALV did not takl with her parents. Its because she KNEW. She totally knows what she is doing and she totally knows she is feeding a bunch of crap under oath just for MONEY!!!!

What an evil person ALV is. This is beyond cruel what she is doing. It is CRIMINAL. And if she has her way, and Jodi walks, and Jodi kills again, then that future blood will be directly on her hands.

And that is not even counting the public thrashing of Travis based all on Jodis lies, of which she has to know are lies.

I hope she can sleep at night with what she is doing, because I think KARMA is right around the corner for people like her.

Great post! I too believe ALV is evil and what she is doing is criminal. It's also frightening to know she is not just trying to influence the outcome of this trial but has perpetrated her dishonesty professionally for decades.
I hope she can't sleep because of worry about her future after what she has done against truth, justice, Travis Alexander. and the Alexander family

Banality of evil comes to mind.

 

[Whisperer]

Sundawnn writes:

.."Why?.....why would she call Gus to tell him that? He was a work associate of hers, not a BFF! I just can't tie it all together."...


IMO, Gus was her sugar daddy. He is weak and gives her stuff. :censored:

 

[dani]

About Jodi's dang finger...has a doctor ever x-rayed it?? Can one please x-ray it and get back to us about if it ever was broken? I've had fingers slammed (and bashed) in car doors...never "treated" and I can straighten them just fine.

This is the "Jodi as a bridesmaid" video taken in 2004. Pause it at 43 seconds and check out her finger. (Left ring finger.)

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/04/04/exclusive-video-jodi-arias-bridesmaid

 

[minor4th]

With respect I disagree. When you go to a judge and ask for relief from a stalker you only need to present that this person is causing you distress. Because each stalking case is so specific in the details of that case, it depends on how the person is feeling about it.

I clarify that this is in our state. I have no knowledge of other states.

I think you're talking about getting a restraining order for that type of behavior, and that is something that happens in civil court and is not the criminal offense of stalking. That's the kind of behavior that is sometimes referred to as "stalking" in everyday usage -- e.g. monitoring someone's email account, calling 15 times in a row, looking through someone's window to see them with another girl, etc. Those things are probably more accurately characterized as harassment, not stalking. Tire slashing, threats, following someone -- and letting them know you're watching them, sending anonymous, threatening emails to the new girlfriend, showing up at someone's house in the middle of the night AFTER being told to stay away -- those kinds of things, if they can be proven, would be stalking, and a person could be arrested, convicted and jailed in a criminal court.

This is why I wanted to know how Alyce defined stalking because I didn't know if she's just throwing the word around or if she's actually talking about the criminal offense. Either way, the behaviors are wrong and dangerous and scary.

 

[MaryNo]

I agree! Little by little she's become creepier. I spend very little time looking at her. I just can't stand to look at her. I think the mask is almost off, and we're seeing the ugliness within.

If the verdict is worse than the hung jury scenario she's written for herself, we're going to see the rest of the mask slide off.

During Juan's reading of the text to ALV about when Travis called JA a sociopath, JA kind of perked up. Strange thing is, she really has that look, I mean of a psychopath. The way she sits there with that blank, empty stare and that smirk or half smile. Shiverrrrrr.... that girl really is creepy.

 

[Whisperer]

ALV brings me back to the bad ole days when I was reprimanded for calling a baby raper (three month old) a monster in a staff meeting. An ALV clone spoke up and said, "He is not, he is a human being"...

That sure brought back old rotten feelings when I heard her say how bad Travis was for writing those things. He should NEVER have been so mean, according to ALV. She then says it is ok to get angry but not to express it. ALV lives in a logic free zone. I notice she always uses the "feelings' word when she makes a decision...sure sign of there's going to be nothing good following that word.This woman is full of it. Some people shouldn't work with criminals and ALV is a good example!

 

[SunDawnn]

She's a psychopathic, stalking, narcissistic, cold blooded killer who would never allow someone else to steal her pleasure. She would never share the enjoyment of killing Travis - he was hers; her possession. She enjoyed it. It was personal (stabbing is an upclose and personal assault).

She believes she's smarter than anyone in the room (courtroom), and is going to hang this jury, get manslaughter at retrial, sentenced to 6 yrs. and be out with time served.

If this demon isn't sentenced to death, she'll be talking like a magpie, bragging about what she did. She's already told others in jail that she's in there for killing her pedo bf, dismembering him, and scattering his parts throughout the county. This is not someone who ever wanted or needed help.

Telling Gus that Travis was dead, but not telling him she did the deed tells me she just needed to tell someone how she'd "won", without admitting anything that would get her the needle.

I believe Matt is helping her post-murder to avoid a murder 1 conviction. Though, self defense as a verdict, in my opinion, has been totally blown out of the water.

I respect what you think. I don't necessarily agree. If she is as demented as we all seem to believe then, who knows WHAT thrills her.

I don't think we're in a position of knowing how her mind worked. There's an umbrella explanation for certain disorders (sociopath, psychopath etc) but they don't all come out of the box the same way.

Some sub-humans like Jodi, hire hit men to kill their prey so, no two sickos are the same.

No doubt in my mind, Jodi wanted Travis dead because his happiness became her hindrance.

There is no way she'll get less than a death penalty and her expert witnesses are literally...... walking her to the death chamber!

 

[Whisperer]

About Jodi's dang finger...has a doctor ever x-rayed it?? Can one please x-ray it and get back to us about if it ever was broken? I've had fingers slammed (and bashed) in car doors...never "treated" and I can straighten them just fine.

She would need an MRI. She may have received a deep incision and cut the tendon during the fight. Sure would be worth the cost if we could find out the tendon was cut and it didn't happen with a kick. That injury doesn't happen with a kick anyway.

 

[minor4th]

Let's all hope that Juan doesn't bring this up. This is actually very true and is a symptom of hypervigilance.

So if the defense can really prove that JA has a history of domestic violence in her LIFE not just with TA, then they COULD successfully state that she may indeed suffer from hypervigilance. Hypervigilance, a component of PTSD can make a person strike out in a situation where they feel threatened and someone not suffering from this wouldn't see the threat.

But I think Dr. "I sent Jodi greeting Cards" Samuels probably dumped water on that fire.

Well, in AZ the battered woman self defense only includes a history of abuse BY the victim (Travis) AGAINST the killer (Jodi). So if she was hypervigilant from PTSD from some other abuse by someone else -- it doesn't matter for purposes of her defense. It might be relevant to punishment, but not to guilt/innocence.

In any event, there has not been evidence of any of that, other than unbelievable tales by Jodi that would be insufficient, even if they were true, to make her reasonably fear for her life.

 

[SunDawnn]

Sundawnn writes:

.."Why?.....why would she call Gus to tell him that? He was a work associate of hers, not a BFF! I just can't tie it all together."...


IMO, Gus was her sugar daddy. He is weak and gives her stuff. :censored:

I'm not so sure he wasn't her John!!! I don't put it pass suspicion that Jodi had sex for money with some of the plethora of men in her life. The way she so effortlessly spoke 'pillow talk' to Travis tells me, she's not shy when it comes to expressing sexual desires. Especially for a soft spoken Mormon.

She had way too much disposal money for a chick who worked in these Yreka restaurants. And she sure as hell wasn't making money from that PPL pyramid.

Something ain't right.

 

[mollyf]

She would need an MRI. She may have received a deep incision and cut the tendon during the fight. Sure would be worth the cost if we could find out the tendon was cut and it didn't happen with a kick. That injury doesn't happen with a kick anyway.

I'm dying to see an x-ray, but some wise sleuths pointed out that it may not be a good thing for the prosecution if that finger had in fact been broken at some time in the past. The number of stories of how the injury occurred lead me to believe it would be a fairly safe bet that it would not show a break. It's still a bet.