trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #137

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Yeah me too because its a serious matter. I can't imagine anyone doing something that crazy. I hope they are held accountable.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...sheriff-joe-arpaio-contained-explosive-device

There are so many people after Sheriff Joe Arpaio...I hope they find whoever is responsible.

 

[Mintedlace]

I was a little doubtful at first but then remembered that the jurors questions are asked in the order submitted which would have been days and days before. I did notice they were getting quite cynical of ALV in the last so many questions for today AND there's more questions to come yet. I wonder if some of the last questions might be more snarky?

Yes! Sometimes we get excited and forget! LOL
I bet the questions just get worse from here. Because, honestly, her testimony got worse by the day.

 

[Whisperer]

Since my mom died on Monday (no condolences needed, I know you all have HUGE hearts) you are my family now. I'm watching day 43 pt.1 Juan vs ALV and I want witnesses. If I'm EVER MURDERED I want Juan to speak for me.....he's very, very, good.

Glad to have you hear chijojo. I'm glad to have you in the family..:great:

 

[Myvice]

Since my mom died on Monday (no condolences needed, I know you all have HUGE hearts) you are my family now. I'm watching day 43 pt.1 Juan vs ALV and I want witnesses. If I'm EVER MURDERED I want Juan to speak for me.....he's very, very, good.

I'm so very sorry. Thoughts and prayers for you.

 

[katydid23]

I heard Beth Karas say today that not ALL jurors put questions in the basket. How does Beth know this? She is probably assuming. I like Beth, but how does she know which jurors asked questions and which ones didn't or how many asked questions and how many didn't? Just curious.

THe people sitting in the gallery can see when the jurors drop notes in the basket. And I guess there is also a form that needs to be filled out, and the people can see when a juror takes a for and fills it out. Some jurors have been seen placing multiple questions, others none.

 

[Dana]

I think the 'Son of Sam' law means the convict cannot benefit from the crime. Nothing can stop their Family (or anyone else for that matter) from selling the same story but saying it's from their own POV.

IOW... There are many ways around the Son of Sam Law.

Aw pooh

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

My question to 'ALV would be how many male abusers have killed their ex-GF while soaking wet and nude?

I think one of the questions from the jurors today was something like, "Have any of your past patients killed their partner?"

Answer: Yes

I wondered if the Juror that asked that question wanted to see how effective she was as a Counselor.

 

[Bada Bing]

hopefully they can get the money she's making by selling her "artwork"

Yes, a civil suit would be Juanderful!

 

[lisasalinger]

Butting in with a possible answer to your question.

1) Her previous relationships ended when Jodi wanted to end them. For example, she met TA at a PPL convention, went home to her boyfriend of 4 years and informed him that they would no longer be sharing a bedroom or a life. Just like that!

2) I believe JA thought TA's circle (Mormons + PPL) were her ticket to a wealthy husband and the beautiful life. Just compare the pics of the cramped room she was living in at her grandparents' home to TA's house, and the difference is immediately obvious.

BUT Travis started pulling away (he apparently went to his bishop, confessed about the sex, and was trying to clean up his act). It wasn't Jodi's idea, it was Travis'. Travis was only a year away from losing access to his main marriageable Mormon dating pool being, as he would be reassigned from a "singles" ward to a "family" ward when he hit 31. (All this is my just my understanding; if someone has better info, please correct me!)

He needed to get Jodi out of his life, and out of his social circle too. He was a PPL salesman and a Mormon. His reputation in his community was his world. By threatening Jodi's access to the (comparatively) wealthy circles he'd introduced her to, he made her feel like he was threatening HER. That was just not acceptable in Jodi-world, and I believe he died for it. She'd already lined up Travis' replacement in Ryan, which her normal pattern. She always kept the next "love" interest in the wings. It wasn't losing Travis that made her homicidal, it was the prospect of losing access to all that he had introduced her to.

Jodi IMO taped that phone sex and threatened to out TA if he revealed her true behavior to his buddies in PPL, etc. I don't believe TA was aware that the call was being taped! In fact, according to Jodi, they always erased any sexual pictures right after taking them. We know TA had an active sex/fantasy sex life, yet no of any kind was found on his computer. Why on earth would he agree to Jodi taping him? He wouldn't.

Sorry if my post rambled a bit, just trying to get out the conclusion I've been coming to. Hope you can see what I was trying to say.

Great post, Puzzler! Such good points. I've heard a lot of people say that she killed him because if she couldn't have him, nobody else would. But I don't necessarily think it's that simple. I don't think it's just a scorned love thing, I think it goes deeper. And let's face it, Jodi is not capable of any type of love.

Did you notice how when Detective Flores tells her during the initial interrogation that her motive was jealousy, she genuinely (I use that word loosely) seems to deny that and almost catches herself up in wanting to explain more of a motive for just a quick second but doesn't really say more. But she's pretty direct that it wasn't jealousy. I just found that moment to be interesting.

I agree that this was much more about control and her ticket to opportunity. Yes no doubt she definitely was jealous of those other girls, but not so much because she was head over heels in love with him. Rather more so because she couldn't control him and those girls were getting something she wanted.

She so desperately wanted him and his life - the whole package. He held the ticket to her getting out of Yreka and staying out of Yreka once and for all. All those trips they took, the big house, the business opportunities, the potential of marriage... was all a taste of the good life for her. And he could take it all away from her at any moment, and was fighting hard to do that. It was his life and his circle, not hers. I do think she desperately tried to blackmail him and he wasn't having it.

I think she wanted him gone because her opportunity had clearly passed, she was furious about that and had run out of options. She couldn't let him stand in her way. All of those horrific wounds are clearly from somebody who has intense rage and hatred, which I have to imagine is born out of more than simple jealousy.

Of course, this is all just speculation. Just my take on all I have absorbed.

 

[wsreader]

My question to 'ALV would be how many male abusers have killed their ex-GF while soaking wet and nude?

...and in their own bathroom, in their own house, and were shot with their own nonexistent gun.

 

[Whisperer]

:coffeews:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...sheriff-joe-arpaio-contained-explosive-device

There are so many people after Sheriff Joe Arpaio...I hope they find whoever is responsible.

I know one that has been after him for the past five years...:coffeews:

 

[SuperTmo]

I'm glad that in answering juror questions it becomes patently evident just how much Laviolette's assessment of Travis' alleged abuse is based on texts/e.mails.

Can you imagine how your own character might be assessed based on how you interact with people in electronic formats? To me, they are far too often the domain of exaggeration, mischaracterization, ambiguity, etc. to be taken as anything approaching a faithful represenation of character.

Talk about an embarrassingly tenuous argument to make in a murder trial. It is hard to tell at this point if she is simply a puppet of the defense or is genuinely this naive or delusional regarding domestic violence in general.

Whateve the case, it is truly a sorry state of affairs.

BBM. Very good point! It reminded me of how easily it can be to add your own interpretation to electronic interactions, and how maybe there are somewhat different rules for verbal communication vs. text vs. written/emails.

I was really interested in statement analysis for awhile and read a lot about it from various sources. I think there is definitely something to it but one example that was used was text messages and they were used to show how a parent "distanced themselves and weren't connected" to their child, and that the parent didn't take ownership of wrongdoings... The mom would text things like, "love you" instead of "I love you." The dropped pronouns were the reason the analyst said there was a disconnect between the mom and child, and that by not "claiming" the love, it was not actually there. It was just such a turn off to the whole idea... that one could interpret whether someone loves their child or not based on lazy text messaging.

Another example was how Madeline McCann's mom would call her "M" in her journal writings. The analyst said that the "refusal" to write Madeline's full name showed that the mom was trying to dehumanize the child and couldn't even give her the respect of referring to her as who she was. She wasn't "Madeline" she was just "M".

Both of those things bothered me because I refer to my daughter by her first initial when I'm talking to her via text message all the time. It's quicker than spelling out her name and trying to force autocorrect to accept it. And I often will drop pronouns during texting because I'm just that lazy, not to hide guilt or try to get out of ownership of something or any other reason. It's just easier.

So all that to say yes, you are right... I don't think emails or texts are an accurate representation of what a relationship is like.

 

[sourgrapes]

Is that a bullet-proof vest?

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

THe people sitting in the gallery can see when the jurors drop notes in the basket. And I guess there is also a form that needs to be filled out, and the people can see when a juror takes a for and fills it out. Some jurors have been seen placing multiple questions, others none.

OK - Then I want to know EXACTLY how many jurors asked questions and on WHICH days. I was not aware there was someone keeping an "Eagle Eye" on the jurors. I mean if someone is keeping track, I want the full results, don't you?

 

[ShadyLady]

I don't think Alyce had ANY interest in investigating anything other than what the defense

gave her, since then she could not have help Jodi create her defense.

I am sure it was "she" that coached the defense on how to paint Jodi as a battered

women.

 

[DairyGirl]

From this point forward I will refer to Jodi Arias by her initials only, JA and I will refer to Travis as Travis to keep his memory alive and give him the dignity he deserves.

That's funny because that is exactly what I have been doing. I do not want to acknowledge her humanity with a given name. Since WS doesn't allow (rightly so) disparaging nicknames I choose to refer to her only by her initials. I always refer to Travis by his given name because that is all he has left behind, his good name and even that JA is trying to steal from him. She took his life. She should never be able to take away his good name.

 

[Bada Bing]

I guess the strain on ALV is too much and she went to the ER over the weekend with palps and anxiety. Just heard this.

 

[AuburnSchnauzer]

Is that a bullet-proof vest?

That is not how I would describe that photo but I'm not going to get in trouble.

 

[Bada Bing]

Is that a bullet-proof vest?

Looks like hand-me-downs from the 70's.

 

[Boytwnmom]

attorney-client privilege. The privilege means neither party can be required to divulge the contents of such communication. Attorneys also have an ethical obligation to keep such communications private so they are prohibited from telling anyone what their client tells them in the course of representation. The client can waive that privilege. If the client decides to talk to the attorney on camera, in public etc anyone who hears it can repeat it or do whatever they want with it-they are not obligated by any privilege.

That said, I am sure the HLN counsel put the kibosh (is that a real word?) on any lip reading plans of DD. It is not something a network or publication would want to do. It's just...unseemly to try and overhear communications between lawyer and client that are obviously not meant to be overheard by the public. So, yes, it's Jodi's own fault if she isn't careful when breathing into her attorneys face and getting all cozy with her but I don't see any lawyer letting his corporate client "go there" and have someone intentionally try to "eavesdrop" on such communication.

OK, way too tired to continue. Hope this makes sense. Have been traveling for work all week and just got home tonight and am really tired....

It is MY HUMBLE opinion that the lip reading is NOT a violation of attorney client privilege.

In order for that to be so, the information would have to be relayed FROM Jodi TO her attorney and the attorney then would have to turn around and divulge what she was saying.

Jodi, speaking with her attorney on national TV is agreeing to the presumption that the general viewers in this venue will be able to see her actions and this includes reading her lips.

No different than interpreting her facial mannerisms.