trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #137

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It is easy to say that she removed hair from her girl parts because Travis liked it ...

Didn't she say during her testimony (and by the way, isn't it miraculous that during those 18 interminable days, not once did she have a migraine or look frail and weak or super skinny ... in fact, she absolutely glowed while testifying. Remember the day she took the stand as Juanderful began his questioning and she was removing her jacket and carefully folding it over the back of the chair while she considered the question and she shrugged as if she were at Starbucks talking about her day with friends) that just before the infamous uninvited oral sex whilst she slept (twisted Snow White reference if ever there was one) she'd had a Brazilian?

So it seemed she's the one who introduced the whole hairless lady parts to Travis and each time she probably asked the waxer to make that runway narrower and narrower until there was no hair at all.

I know, I know. I spend waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time obsessing about this trial. lol
 
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And she means that literally and figuratively. I think *she* has family of origin issues re: abuse and I think she may have had abuse in previous relationships, perhaps her marriage.

When she said she was "old-fashioned", she didn't say it in a way that excuses why she couldn't bring herself to ask Jodi about more explicit sexual details. She wore it as a badge of honor.

We all construct realities to some extent and when you're a kid it can be your only escape. Her generation had a different view of "proper" things to talk about in public and "improper" things to ask another person. She never made the distinction between being an advocate for an abused person and being a dinner party guest. You have to ask the hard questions as an advocate. You don't ask personal questions at a dinner party.

She needs everyone to always say "please" and "thank you" and to do everything you say you're going to do and her standards for behavior for men in "relationships" are completely different from her standards for women.

And she brings those personal beliefs about acceptable social behavior to her weird belief that Travis was an abuser because he didn't call Jodi back on occasion or he had sex with her and immediately left or he didn't say please or he raised his voice to her or he was rude in an e-mail or he insulted her or said negative things about her family.

Seriously lady? If we physically struck back with Jodi-esque force at every man who failed to remember an important date, chose football over going out to dinner, told (as opposed to asking politely) us to bring them a towel or were just plain crummy boyfriends, it would be a bloodbath.

The concept of a friends with benefits relationship or even a purely booty call agreement is so foreign to her.

And for some reason she thinks Jodi's 5 month sexual romp with Travis was a committed relationship that should have led to marriage if only TRAVIS hadn't foiled Jodi's plan by breaking up with her and seeing other women.

Since I'm already into a thesis, I'll just say that I think Jodi ran this hustle on Travis after he told her he didn't want anything serious with her: "No, no, I agree with you. I don't want a serious relationship either. Let's just hang out and if it goes somewhere, great. If not, we're still great friends" ...:rolleyes: He was naive and inexperienced so he took her at her word.

She made a telling comment earlier when JW was questioning her about Jodi's sexual boundaries that she (meaning DV Lady) "may be comparing my boundaries to Jodi's". Shouldn't the evaluator separate herself and her issues from the person she's evaluating? She doesn't get to make moral judgments in her role AS A CRISIS INTERVENTION/CONFLICT RESOLUTION/DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVOR ADVOCATE.

She could even somehow see Jodi as representative of what she wishes she could have done to a man who truly abused her (or even behaved in a way that she defines as abusive) or maybe she wishes her mother had been able to take action against her father ... whatever the issues are with DV Lady, there is no arguing the issues are there. And glaring.

Long-winded way to say DV Lady is totally projecting. :D

The defense team should have seen this bias in spite of their glee at having found an expert willing to testify. JW is a death penalty approved attorney so surely she's seen this kind of desperation to save a client thing before.

The defense team should have had another psychologist or therapist come in to confirm DV Lady's findings or at least put her through a tough grilling about her assessment. I would have, especially knowing Juanderful would be the prosecutor.

I'm stepping down from my soap box now and going to get a much needed cup o' joe.

Great post-( smilies not working for me- maybe the big rain storm we're having here in NYS?)

I think the word "projecting" herself , is very apt.
I wish I could express myself so well as all the WSers on this forum. I'd probably post more often. I really appreciate all the clever ideas that everyone has.

Good morning everyone.:seeya:
 
  • #1,183
it came from day 36 of the trial from doc Samuels....he READ about it....thinking from her journals....it happened in April of 2008....I have been reviewing this and do not find any follow up from JW on the matter with him, yet....

so did she kick her mother when her mother went to mesa to help her move back to CA?

the jurors obviously know the answer, even if i don't!
 
  • #1,184
Google Chrome...Control-Shift-N...is your friend.

:floorlaugh:

As this trial has underscored, digital file deletion doesn't usually mean gone.
 
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One thing that really bothered me yesterday was ALV's very rehearsed answer to whether or not she believed JA is a liar. She said something like, we'll she would have come up with a good lie if she was a liar but she didn't. (Paraphrased)

I have known liars and they always come up with terrible, stupid lies!

Just such a dumb answer it bothered me to no end.:banghead:
 
  • #1,186
Pretty sure it was "cork" and yes Travis did say it in the tape. However, I believe the case can be made that Jodi is the master mind behind this little girl stuff. It is easy to say that she removed hair from her girl parts because Travis liked it, it is easy to say Travis liked the braids and spidey undies. However, I have this feeling after seeing the pictures of Jodi with Bobby in her braids and superman shirt - it is more likely Jodi used the fantasy on her sexual partners. With all the evidence out there, it seems to me there is plenty to support that Jodi instigated this roll playing and the fella's were dumb enough to go with it. JMO - she's a flame thrower.

BBM

Exactly Jodi was doing the cartoon superhero and braids thing long before she met Travis. Wish the Jury would see that picture.
 
  • #1,187
BBM

Alyce LaViolette's methodology sucks. I'm not talking about the fact that she only interviewed Arias, has been both duped by Arias' Journals and verbal claims, and - maybe unwittingly - encouraged/influenced Arias to even greater excesses.

I can well understand why relatives and friends of TA would not want to talk with Ms LaViolette. It would interest me to know if she made any attempt to do so, though. It's inconceivable that she didn't talk with Arias' family and friends. Again, I'd like to know if she even tried.

It's her 'analysis' of the written materials that gets me. She keeps emphasizing, over and over again, just how much 'reading' she has done. She 'read' oh so many of Travis Alexander's and Arias's texts, emails and IM's, (much of the time not sure of which title went with which form of communication).

Now she's telling everyone what she 'thinks' and what she 'believes' some of the written material means/signifies, but has entirely missed out the method she used to evaluate it all.

'There was a lot of written material', is where her analysis began. 'I read a lot of it' is where it apparently ended.

Her method, in this case, genuinely seems to have been: (1) Interview Jodi. (2) Review provided materials for evidence that support claims of Jodi. (3) Deposit check.
 
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ALV mentioned a couple times he said he wanted to "pork a little girl" on the sex tape. I never heard this. Like you said, only the comment about her sounding like a girl having her first orgasm. Those two statements are not interchangeable.

Did he actually say he wanted to "pork a little girl" or is ALV being misleading?

..I wonder if this statement was on one of the other rumoured six sex tapes that have been alluded to.... maybe that is why the computer expert is being called back by the defense...now that ALV has brought it up in her expert testimony (cough), JW will be able to bring it in for questioning... I so hope not!:furious:...it's just curious that ALV kept bringing it up...:furious: anything to trash the victim :moo:
This may be why Juan didn't object to it though.... he may have known it was out there but didn't want to have another tape brought in. In any case, as previous posters have noted, it was probably Jodi's fantasy to begin with...
JA probably goaded Travis what to say all along...
 
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BBM

Alyce LaViolette's methodology sucks. I'm not talking about the fact that she only interviewed Arias, has been both duped by Arias' Journals and verbal claims, and - maybe unwittingly - encouraged/influenced Arias to even greater excesses.

I can well understand why relatives and friends of TA would not want to talk with Ms LaViolette. It would interest me to know if she made any attempt to do so, though. It's inconceivable that she didn't talk with Arias' family and friends. Again, I'd like to know if she even tried.

It's her 'analysis' of the written materials that gets me. She keeps emphasizing, over and over again, just how much 'reading' she has done. She 'read' oh so many of Travis Alexander's and Arias's texts, emails and IM's, (much of the time not sure of which title went with which form of communication).

Now she's telling everyone what she 'thinks' and what she 'believes' some of the written material means/signifies, but has entirely missed out the method she used to evaluate it all.

'There was a lot of written material', is where her analysis began. 'I read a lot of it' is where it apparently ended.

Well, she's a "big picture" kind of thinker, dontcha know. And as for those pesky interviews with Travis' family and friends, they were entirely unnecessary because of the "over the top rage" he displayed in his "tirades." Frankly, I could try to figure that out 'til St. Swithen's day, but it wouldn't make any sense to me.

You're right, it just boils down to, "I looked at what I looked at and came to the conclusions that I did. It is not possible for me to explain exactly how, because I did not engage details in isolation. Only by viewing the big picture (with my extra wide-angle and fashionable glasses) can someone such as myself accomplish this feat. Thank you, and please consider buying my book on the way out of the seminar!"

:cow:
 
  • #1,190
Good morning all..Just back to W/S so please forgive if this has been asked..The defense keeps making a mockery of Travis' virginity..Could it be that he WAS a virgin before this temptress(JA) came along? His circle of friends were mostly people from his Mormon community and they knew the vows of chastity. Seems Jodi did everything to entrap him from the beginning..That could be why he behaved the way he did with his "first timer"..

welcome back Dolly!!!! (((((()))))

yes, in the sex tape he pretty much says that he was a virgin before he met Jodi (said he didn't even masturbate until he met her: says this in his own words in the sex tape)
 
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ALV mentioned a couple times he said he wanted to "pork a little girl" on the sex tape. I never heard this. Like you said, only the comment about her sounding like a girl having her first orgasm. Those two statements are not interchangeable.

Did he actually say he wanted to "pork a little girl" or is ALV being misleading?

Yes, he said something like "corking the pot/pop of a little girl" I posted it last night. I'll go back and find it.
 
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Good morning all..Just back to W/S so please forgive if this has been asked..The defense keeps making a mockery of Travis' virginity..Could it be that he WAS a virgin before this temptress(JA) came along? His circle of friends were mostly people from his Mormon community and they knew the vows of chastity. Seems Jodi did everything to entrap him from the beginning..That could be why he behaved the way he did with his "first timer"..

They are not making a mockery of it.

They are pointing out he was leading a 'double life.'

ALV said yesterday, one half to two thirds of abusers are leading a double life, and the implications of that.

IMO
 
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Didn't she say during her testimony (and by the way, isn't it miraculous that during those 18 interminable days, not once did she have a migraine or look frail and weak or super skinny ... in fact, she absolutely glowed while testifying. Remember the day she took the stand as Juanderful began his questioning and she was removing her jacket and carefully folding it over the back of the chair while she considered the question and she shrugged as if she were at Starbucks talking about her day with friends) that just before the infamous uninvited oral sex whilst she slept (twisted Snow White reference if ever there was one) she'd had a Brazilian?

So it seemed she's the one who introduced the whole hairless lady parts to Travis and each time she probably asked the waxer to make that runway narrower and narrower until there was no hair at all.

I know, I know. I spend waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time obsessing about this trial. lol

BBM
Doh!! Is that what a brazilian is???
 
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Cheerio and a glorious Good Morning to all, Sleuthers!

I say, I have the strangest feeling that I am going to be smelling burning bacon or justice by noon.

Mmmmmmm......bacon.
I love the smell of justice in the morning.....
 
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As this trial has underscored, digital file deletion doesn't usually mean gone.

Ummm...correct. When my laptop went down and I scuttled my rear to Best Buy and explained to the GEEK squad they must fix it in record time so that I can have it back, they informed me I had a virus of the worst sort. Someone was on my laptop researching it appeared crime scenes.:blushing:

I did mention I had a son in college...could happen.

K
 
  • #1,196
What in the live-long day would Ms. Arias know about a syllabus of any kind? Why in the world is she bringing it up?

You know--she's as intelligent as Einstein! She wants us all to know that despite dropping out of high school and jumping from man to man to man, using them for food & shelter, working solely as a waitress who does not hold one job for very long, being a pathological liar and stalking and terrorizing Travis before killing him--SHE'S A GENIUS. JUST LIKE EINSTEIN.

I'm not an expert, but didn't Einstein accomplish things? Or was he a parasitical drifter, too?
 
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I'm sure many people took screen shots, knowing some of the tweets would be deleted. :floorlaugh:

ETA: I know I sure did ;)

TigerBalm, looking at the pigtail pics. in your signature, there is another one out there where she looks to be well into her twenties, wearing a cap. I don't know where to find it now, but it adds to the fact that she liked herself in pigtails.
 
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Dr Drew said to check out the slang on urban legend.

The only salads I know how to toss contain lettuce and tomatoes.

I'm old fashioned that way.

IMO

I have learned so many things from all the websleuthers, but this, hmm, I will never look at a tossed salad the same.
 
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Her method, in this case, genuinely seems to have been: (1) Interview Jodi. (2) Review provided materials for evidence that support claims of Jodi. (3) Deposit check.

You left out, "put on Elton's glasses for that extra fancy smarty-pants look and wide-angle, big picture focus."
 
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welcome back Dolly!!!! (((((()))))

yes, in the sex tape he pretty much says that he was a virgin before he met Jodi (said he didn't even masturbate until he met her: says this in his own words in the sex tape)

**warning sex tape is below; adult content :wink: **

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNFSY5x-3w"]Jodi Arias & Travis Alexander Sex Tape - YouTube[/ame]
 
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