trial day 45: the defense continues its case in chief #137

[Mykeru]

BBM

I would venture a wild guess that someone on the DT has.

The "waxing blame" is about as dumb as "my feet hurt due to my excessively impractical high heels, so men are to blame".

As far as I can make out, as a student of sociological gynecology and "The Junk" Studies, the depilatory trend has a few aspects:

1. The overall trend towards hair removal. Really, look at some nudes from the history of photography. Seems as soon as exposure times were fast enough to allow subjects more mobile than a rock, people were taking photo naughties. I defy you to find a nice, demure Carte De Vista nude of a perfectly nice young lady who wasn't also as hairy as you please in every area hair naturally sprouts. I could be wrong, but from old advertising, I have an impression that pit shaving wasn't even a thing until the 1920s, probably due to a complete move away from 19th Century women's clothing that persisted until WWI.

2. The advent of bathing suits which were cut in such a way that some form of hair removal was necessary not only for aesthetic reasons, but because tufts could get pinched. Also, as a commuter and recreational cyclist, the shaving done for that activity has nothing to do with aerodynamics and a lot to do with the effects of chafing and what happens at the juncture of body hair and elasticized Lycra. My bike shorts are actually ringed with a gasket-like rubber seam at the bottom of the leg, and that can pinch.

3. movies. The idea being leaving a clear line-of-sight to the bits people like to see in action. 'Nuff said. Said industry can also be blamed for the evolution from the "natural" to the "landing strip", the "pubic topiary landscaping" and the dreaded "Hitler".

You can see the single thread running through that is "if people don't see it, we don't shave it". If that's the case, I encourage women to shave as much as they want, and then come 'round to my place, 8-ish.

None of the above has anything to do with pedophilia any more than women shaving their legs and armpits could also be an attempt to preserve a neotonous (juvenile) appearance. Maybe there's something to do that, but both men and women try to appeal by being youthful and, in my case, actually work hard so as to never grow up.

The idea that shaving, considering all the factors that go into it, is imposed on women by the evil child rapist patriarchal conspiracy is just another one of those "just so" stories where people start with their cynical little baggage-laden conclusion. Which, like many of these types of observations, tell you a lot more about the flea-butt narrow mind of the person making it.

 

[Angel Lady]

I do feel that the judge is prejudicial towards the defense. When asking some of the more probing questions of ALV that have a slant towards supporting the prosecution, she looks disgusted and a few times she actually seemed to slam the offensive question down on her desk. Anyone else pick up on this?

 

[a/k/a me]

Dont know if this was noted before, but after yesterday with ALV, we all know where the archaic word....courting, came from. Did ya'll catch that?

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

They are also forgetting to point out that Jodi was also living this same double life. She was also supposed to be chaste but I guess her deception doesn't matter do the defense. Was she letting the guys know on the Mormon Linkup that she was having sex?

It's because Travis is the one with the "power" and Jodi is just some girl who doesn't know how to say no.

Sorry, did I say girl? I meant "victim."

 

[InTheGarden]

JA and her cohorts really show an amazing lack of intelligence, especially when it comes to social media. JA's life is on the line and she is cracking short jokes about the prosecutor who is trying to get her the death penalty. Meek, mild, low self-esteem, I don't think so.

She lost MM as a witness when he said he would lie for her on the pro JA innocent website, which made himself completely impeachable.

Unbelievable.

 

[iSleuth]

https://www.facebook.com/ProsecutorJuanMartinezFanClub

excerpts from- the mouths of (old) babes- alv:

I read a lot of info from her family and boyfriends prior to that so I got a pretty good picture of JA.

A. She had a hard time looking at herself ---She kept things from her parents…typical of a teenager…lying is not unusual- The Arch Bishop lied, Lance Armstrong lied, Bill Clinton lied…about image…a lot of us lie about stuff less serious than killing someone.



6. Is it possible friends and family may have embellished in an effort to help her? I guess, except that friends and family didn’t seem to go overboard. I read Mr. A.’s words directed at her, the disrespect…looked at the escalation process. They didn’t say ‘Gee, she’s this wonderful person.’

She could be seen as aggressive when she kicked and hit her mother in the past.

15. Do you feel it’s possible Jodi could be exaggerating abuse events? I think anything’s possible when I look at the kind of escalation with Travis and listen to friends

Often murder cases don’t have the story

18. Is it possible Jodi could be guilty of psychological abuse towards Travis? Anything’s possible,

24. It has been proven Jodi has lied multiple times since killing Travis, how are you able to know everything she is saying is truthful? I don’t…

35. Please state how confident you are that Jodi did not lie to you? That she did not lie to me about what? Like ever? I don’t believe she lied to me about significant things…it’s possible.

61. Why would you believe the things Jodi told you happened before the killing? I believe those things because
see question
1. Did you read entries from before Travis’s and Jodi’s relationship?
No, I didn’t…I had limited information from 2006-2008.

62. Hypothetically, if you were to discover Jodi exaggerated rather than understated the abuse would you have a different opinion? I would certainly re-look at things because that would be important.

 

[molly333]

Well since Lifetime is supposedly doing a movie...what actress gets the job of AVL..or maybe she can play herself.

K

I think that's a great idea.

Put the real ALV on the stand in the movie and let her talk and talk.

Maybe people will finally learn something about domestic violence.

IMO

 

[concernedmother]

One thing that really bothered me yesterday was ALV's very rehearsed answer to whether or not she believed JA is a liar. She said something like, we'll she would have come up with a good lie if she was a liar but she didn't. (Paraphrased)

I have known liars and they always come up with terrible, stupid lies!

Just such a dumb answer it bothered me to no end.:banghead:

I would like to know just what good lie ALV thinks would have covered all of the evidence. And if ALV hasn't noticed from the jury questions, this latest lie doesn't seem to working for JA either.[/QUOTE]

JA should have paid Casey Anthony to coach her with her stories. JA isnt that good of a liar. She is a Casey want- a- be. But its not working for her.

 

[Wake_me]

Thanks to Schuby for typing the questions....

Q: "Is there any reason we should believe that Jodi has not manipulated you, as she has others?"

IIRC she begins by feigning confusion as to how to the jury got the impression JA was manipulative before answering. Not 5 minutes later there was a Q referencing ALV talking about JA being manipulative with men as reported by a fellow waitress.

I had to LOL at that.

 

[Becky Sharp]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I never heard of "tossed salad" before this trial. I still don't know what it means, and I don't want to hear what it means. (I always skip those posts)

I'm old fashion this way.:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Next time there's a re-run of "Frazier" on tv, I'll have to mute its concluding theme song!

 

[RadarLuv]

I wonder if she is still going to think the most "bitter words she will ever eat" are still "no jury will ever convict me", when Juan plays the footage of her saying "I would beg for the death penalty".

 

[nursebeeme]

I have a hard time believing a few things in the sex tape/testimony.

1. Travis never masturbated before he met Jodi.
2. As a virgin and someone with no experience, Travis jumped right to anal sex.

I call BS on both of these.

No guy wants to admit to #1 but I'm not buying that he NEVER had a guys night out with himself, if you know what I'm saying.

#2 is ludicrous because it would require alot more ah, preparation, to consummate than the good, old-fashioned way.

there has been no past testimony from past girlfriends or otherwise to indicate that Travis was having sexual relationships with anyone other than Jodi.

There HAS been testimony that Arias has had anal sex with other partners.

 

[sammie]

I think the Defense has no choice because these things have to come out for their case to be argued and understood.

However, the more I see of this trial, the more I think the Prosecution should have cut a murder two deal with the Defense and just put a longer time period on it--maybe 25 years to life.

Maybe everybody's wishing they did that now.

Nice to meet you, too!

IMO

Wow I completely disagree that they should have allowed her to plead guilty to 2nd degree. This evil woman premeditated and planned this killing, and this poor man suffered a brutal and painful death. She doesn't deserve to get out of jail...ever. I agree with the state's decision to go for murder one.

 

[Sleuth5]

The "waxing blame" is about as dumb as "my feet hurt due to my excessively impractical high heels, so men are to blame".

As far as I can make out, as a student of sociological gynecology and "The Junk" Studies, the depilatory trend has a few aspects:

1. The overall trend towards hair removal. Really, look at some nudes from the history of photography. Seems as soon as exposure times were fast enough to allow subjects more mobile than a rock, people were taking photo naughties. I defy you to find a nice, demure Carte De Vista nude of a perfectly nice young lady who wasn't also as hairy as you please in every area hair naturally sprouts. I could be wrong, but from old advertising, I have an impression that pit shaving wasn't even a thing until the 1920s, probably due to a complete move away from 19th Century women's clothing that persisted until WWI.

2. The advent of bathing suits which were cut in such a way that some form of hair removal was necessary not only for aesthetic reasons, but because tufts could get pinched. Also, as a commuter and recreational cyclist, the shaving done for that activity has nothing to do with aerodynamics and a lot to do with the effects of chafing and what happens at the juncture of body hair and elasticized Lycra. My bike shorts are actually ringed with a gasket-like rubber seam at the bottom of the leg, and that can pinch.

3. movies. The idea being leaving a clear line-of-sight to the bits people like to see in action. 'Nuff said. Said industry can also be blamed for the evolution from the "natural" to the "landing strip", the "pubic topiary landscaping" and the dreaded "Hitler".

You can see the single thread running through that is "if people don't see it, we don't shave it". If that's the case, I encourage women to shave as much as they want, and then come 'round to my place, 8-ish.

None of the above has anything to do with pedophilia any more than women shaving their legs and armpits could also be an attempt to preserve a neotonous (juvenile) appearance. Maybe there's something to do that, but both men and women try to appeal by being youthful and, in my case, actually work hard so as to never grow up.

The idea that shaving, considering all the factors that go into it, is imposed on women by the evil child rapist patriarchal conspiracy is just another one of those "just so" stories where people start with their cynical little baggage-laden conclusion. Which, like many of these types of observations, tell you a lot more about the flea-butt narrow mind of the person making it.

Impressive....most impressive.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I think that even ALV possesses that level of technology.

I hope Mr. Nurmi cleans his glasses after he reads

 

[molly333]

What does Travis leading a double life or keeping secrets have to do with Jodi's so called self defense?

I think the defense planned for their case to come together a little differently than it has taken shape.

This is not the first abused woman's defense case you've seen, is it?

She said on the stand yesterday, in answer to a Jury question, that she has seen abused women kill their abusers, but only in self defense.

IMO

 

[kayice]

If Jodi was sucking on Travis' ear at church events when they were first going out, a lot of people was forming opinions about what type of woman she was...probably expressing it to Travis in subtle ways.
.
That surfing trip, where Jodi is in the wet suit next to the blond guy picture. I read the 2 guys plus Travis even changed the location because Jodi invited herself along, but she wouldn't defer even then. When Travis went into the water, Jodi hung (literally) on the guys on the beach, trying to make it seem to Travis that they were hitting on her..trying to make him jealous. Perhaps that's why T said she acts like a ho.
None of them, including Travis, wanted her to go in the first place. She just invited herself along. Wonder how many times Jodi has invited herself along or showed up to say later; she was always welcome or someone said they begged her to come along. All lies.

 

[seguek9]

I say, a smashing good morning to you, Seque! How is that massive bear problem this fine morrow? I hope your trusty companions have kept the brute at bay. :seeya:

'Tis a brisk sunny morn! :seeya: Ursa appears to have found greener pastures, so I must be content with watching the deer and zombie turkeys whilst enjoying a fine Kona blend...

 

[momof7]

I think that's a great idea.

Put the real ALV on the stand in the movie and let her talk and talk.

Maybe people will finally learn something about domestic violence.

IMO

I will disagree on how much will be learned or that it would be a positive experience. IMHO

K

 

[G&AMom]

Morning everyone! :seeya: I am in the midst of a severe ice storm... lease: to the Hydro Gods today.

Raining here in the DC area and so humid my living room windows are completely fogged up. At least it's not brutally hot.