trial day 48: REBUTTAL #147

[The Farm]

Welcome hookedontv! And Good Morning.

 

[Nhic]

I said it in one of posts because antisocial personality disorder with violent features was not brought out in the Defense Teams Case in Chief and/or it has been ruled as too prejudicial. The DT focused totally on the PTSD and Battered Woman Syndrome.

However, after sleeping on it (hahahaha) Dr DeMarte did describe antisocial characteristic when she talked about the top 3 clinical scales on the MMPI without naming the categories.

If I remember correctly, DrD mention, rage/anger, blaming shifting for causing her behavior, etc. This are indicators of antisocial traits at the min.

My :twocents:

Yes, I did hear Mr. Demarte say "psychopathology" related to JA. What I don't understand is why socio/psychopath would be too prejudicial, yet BPD is not? Confused here. :floorlaugh:

There is something else going on with JA's BPD IMO and the jury should hear about it as well!

 

[Really?]

I see she was very attentive when DeMarte read the v-day email. Fascinated by her own words no doubt.

 

[pipkins]

Morning all


Dr D is first-class!


Particularly loved the cross when JW was trying to pick her credentials apart and instead ended up proving her expertise even more to the jury. Every single time JW tried to 'pick her apart' she failed miserably and would end with " Oh ok err ummm"

I hope Travis's family will have found some strength and hope yesterday to see them through until justice is finally served

 

[Alexander family fan]

The highly competent clincal psychologist employed by Arizona knows about what she speaks. She helps me understand Jodi a lot better, for sure. Makes mean lean further toward guilty of 1st degree.

I've found JA's stories unbelievable, but I'll admit, I'm a softie. Perhaps many of those coincidences are just those, coincidences. After all, we are talking about death penalty, to which I am opposed. JA's DT hurts immensely, but I've tried not to hold their incompetence against her. And, knowing quite a lot about the brain, I do find it extremely difficult to believe that TA was shot in the frontal lobe first, because he would have been too stunned to do anything for quite a while like go to the sink or move down the hallway. In that I agree with the ME. JA could have just finished him off in the shower with the knife. And knowing quite a bit about episodic amnesia, I totally don't believe that JA's "fog" set in and cleared with precision, like the curtains on a Broadway play. And, her voice tone during her discussion of the "fog" is weirdly rhythmic and matter-of-fact, like when she "called" TA from Nevada after she had already killed him.

But, what makes me ABSOLUTELY convinced she did it was her mother's interview with Flores that I recently saw on YT. It just pains me as a parent and I feel so sorry for the mother. But, after the mom heard about TA's death and with JA wailing in her house, the mother got the courage to ask JA whether she was in AZ, even though JA had previously told her that the trip was only to UT. Her mother's asking is itself quite gut wrenching - it's almost like she doesn't rule out that her own daughter is crazy enough to be a murderess.

But, then, according to the mom --- JA tells her mom that she wasn't in AZ because SHE HAS THE RECEIPTS TO PROVE IT.

Gosh darn it. That's it for me. Gas cans, receipts, Tesoro, WalMart, upside down license plates, everything. Total BS. No question. JA had already fully thought out her alibi and she used it first, of all people, on the one person that should have loved her the most and had absolutely no question about it at all --- her own mother. Pathetic. JA should be toast.

I stopped dead in my tracks walking by the computer when I heard her mother say that too. I liken it to when Detective Flores asked her, "What would you say if some of Travis' neighbors saw you there that day?". She told him, no ....every time I have ever been to his home I had platinum blonde hair, and this time I was a brunette.

People tell on themselves.
She planned it alright.
I loved that Darrell admitted on the stand and to Dr. Samuels that Jodi had called him in late MAY asking for the gas cans, as she was planning a trip to Mesa! Along those lines Jodi answered Mr. Martinez , "Yes, he was, actually, " in answer to a question he posed to her, so Ryan Burns was just an afterthought. Then he said, "He was just an aliby", in a rhetorical tone. One of the best moments in the trial is going to be when the Walmart employee takes the stand and proves Jodi lied about the gas can return, and the Tesoro employee that will testify that at the time of early morning Jodi was there, making three purchases, the store was indeed closed, she could ONLY HAVE BOUGHT GAS.

You are right....she thought she was clever keeping the receipts. Much like her interview with 48 hours, in so many ways she tells on herself.

 

[carnnell]

Yes, I did hear Mr. Demarte say "psychopathology" related to JA. What I don't understand is why socio/psychopath would be too prejudicial, yet BPD is not? Confused here. :floorlaugh:

There is something else going on with JA's BPD IMO and the jury should hear about it as well!

Well, for the jury to hear antisocial personality disorder with violent features or psychopath disorder has a sinister sound and prejudicial reaction. The defense wants the jury to feel sorry for Arias to see her as the "victim" not the cold-hearted killer that she became.

My :twocents:

 

[pipkins]

Lurker here.

I gotta say, I think Dr. D stole the show today, even upstaging JM. Her mentioning pedophilia during cross was the highlight of the day. It left JW speechless and without a response. wow.

Dr.D: "...for example the pedophilic behavior."
JW: "Okaay. (7 sec pause) ..and later on in your career...well..i think just..i guess..."

Well said but disagree about upstaging my future husband er I mean ... man... :loveyou:

 

[Mare10]

On what Photography jobs was JA paid to take pictures. From what I've heard so far, she did it for free, for friends etc. She mentioned wedding pictures on one of the interrogation videos but I don't remember her saying she was paid to take the pictures. The reason I ask this is because the TH's call her a professional photographer. She has had no real education in Photography and if she was not paid to do so then she is not a professional. Even if she was paid a couple of times, she is not what I would call a professional. The TH's are claiming that she was a professional and she would KNOW that you cannot completely delete the photo's. I don't think she KNEW that, she really had no clue about how a camera truly works.

 

[Alexander family fan]

I see she was very attentive when DeMarte read the v-day email. Fascinated by her own words no doubt.

OMG the things she divulged in that e mail. I am elated the jury got to learn about that!!! Does anyone have a screen shot of it?

 

[raisincharlie]

I don't know why they would make a big deal about her age. She's almost 33 years old. At what age does one start being taken seriously as a professional? Or are they trying to make her seem younger because she's the same age as their client over there colouring in her book with her hair in a style usually reserved for an 8 year old? In fact I think I saw a couple of pics of JA in elementary school on NG tonight with that same style.

It is a sharp contrast. It really hits home that this is not a young lovesick girl who committed this act but a full grown woman who should have been able to support herself at least.

MOO

I believe the first sentence of your second paragraph is exactly the reason Ms. Wilmott is trying to slay the good Dr.'s experience - the contrast is too difficult to overcome. Then again perhaps I give Ms. Wilmott too much credit, I suppose it is equally possible she doesn't see the jury as being able to see this contrast.

 

[camcneishg]

Good Morning all....it is gonna be a Juanderful day today!! Off to another doc apt this morning, but I will be back in time.....I woke up with this thought, this thread should be called RE-BRUTAL........lol

 

[Alexander family fan]

On what Photography jobs was JA paid to take pictures. From what I've heard so far, she did it for free, for friends etc. She mentioned wedding pictures on one of the interrogation videos but I don't remember her saying she was paid to take the pictures. The reason I ask this is because the TH's call her a professional photographer. She has had no real education in Photography and if she was not paid to do so then she is not a professional. Even if she was paid a couple of times, she is not what I would call a professional. The TH's are claiming that she was a professional and she would KNOW that you cannot completely delete the photo's. I don't think she KNEW that, she really had no clue about how a camera truly works.

I agree, she did not. What she was ( and there is nothing wrong with it )....was a waitress, who had a hobby of taking photos. She didn't even own an expensive camera, she had one my thirteen year old nephew got for his birthday. We know this was her skill set because when asked by Mr. Martinez on the stand about why she couldn't find a job , and why she was willing to work to clean Travis's home, she said something to the effect of the months they were in ...were slow for restaraunt work. He then asked her, well couldn't you have tried something else. She answered, "Well, I guess, I just never thought of that." If she were a legitimate photographer, she would have been out looking for a job in her field. Her work history from soup to nuts was in the food industry. She had a hobby. My husband likes to play golf, but he it is not something he could earn a living at. It is a hobby.

How we know you are correct is when she was asked on the stand about the video features on the camera, she said she couldn't figure them out quickly so she and Travis had to switch to her camera for that. Also when asked on the stand about photos being recovered from a camera card, he only knowledge was it would probably take a lot of money to do that. When she deleted the photos , she thought it was over.

 

[carnnell]

OMG the things she divulged in that e mail. I am elated the jury got to learn about that!!! Does anyone have a screen shot of it?

Arias said, ever so slick moment, in her testimony she had lost her temper a "1000 times". I sat up when she said that!!! Very revealing and significant contrary to her "poor little helpless ol me" syndrome. The email JM presented backed Arias' slip slid statement during her direct testimony. Yippee

So much for her helplessness PTSD Battered "Poor Me's"

Just My :twocents:

 

[Little Mel in ATL]

:seeya: Good morning all!



During JW's cross of Dr. Demarte yesterday the camera panned over to JA at one point and the look in JA's eyes was sheer hatred - I have never seen that look in anyone's eyes ever. Don't want to again either. Maybe someone else here has a pic of it. Truly jaw dropping.

Is it true that JM cannot have Dr. Demarte testify that JA is a sociopath/psychopath?

:seeya: Nhic! I missed JA's sheer hatred look (sounds pretty creepy), but will re-watch JW's cross more carefully and see if I can catch it!

I sure hope it's not true that JM can't have Dr. Demarte testify that JA is a sociopath/psychopath... Where did you hear that? If it's true, it could explain why Dr. JD seemed to only mention JA's signs of psychopathology in passing, when it's clearly so relevant to this case! Maybe it will be discussed more in depth during the sentencing phase, as a valid reason why JA should not ever be allowed back into society??? I don't know...

 

[VALee]

Yes, I did hear Mr. Demarte say "psychopathology" related to JA. What I don't understand is why socio/psychopath would be too prejudicial, yet BPD is not? Confused here. :floorlaugh:

There is something else going on with JA's BPD IMO and the jury should hear about it as well!

Neither Psychopath or Sociopath are listed as a diagnosis in the DSM-IV, while Borderline Personality Disorder is.

 

[carnnell]

Neither Psychopath or Sociopath are listed as a diagnosis in the DSM-IV, while Borderline Personality Disorder is.

Psychopath is Antisocial Personality Disorder w/o Violent features or with violent features

 

[Wake_me]

On what Photography jobs was JA paid to take pictures. From what I've heard so far, she did it for free, for friends etc. She mentioned wedding pictures on one of the interrogation videos but I don't remember her saying she was paid to take the pictures. The reason I ask this is because the TH's call her a professional photographer. She has had no real education in Photography and if she was not paid to do so then she is not a professional. Even if she was paid a couple of times, she is not what I would call a professional. The TH's are claiming that she was a professional and she would KNOW that you cannot completely delete the photo's. I don't think she KNEW that, she really had no clue about how a camera truly works.

It is almost amusing how many young women consider themselves photographers because they have a digital camera and know how to use a few filters in photoshop.

The media has also called her "The Mormon Casey Anthony". She's no more a professional photographer than she is a Mormon.

 

[boonedock]

I loved Dr D yesterday she made everything common sensicle not sure if that is even a word because I am not as smart as JA!!!!! But as far as the PTSD goes (avoidance) no she went to the memorial, sent flowers, etc etc thank you Dr D finally someone sees what everyone else sees.
Cross did not go as JW expected yes she is young and she does not have the 60 plus year experience of your two expert but so far she has not left important papers at home, filled out test results whilst on the stand, made sense when talking about stressful or traumatic events, shows no bias of men, has talked to more than just JA.
Go Dr D
:great:

 

[Mare10]

Both my kids have superior IQ's, my daughter's is 135 and my son is 120 iirc, I never put much stock in IQ scores. The IQ's were done in school and they were admitted to the gifted program in middle school. I let my daughter do it (big mistake) and I did not allow my son in the program as I thought it was a waste and very stressful on the kids.

I don't consider either of them superior in any way, lol. Both are smart in ways but not smart in many ways. Both are creative, music and art and very good writers but in other ways totally just like every other 20 something. My daughter does suffer from Bipolar disorder which she was diagnosed a few years ago.

I do not believe the TH's stating that because of her "superior" IQ (as if she was a genius). Nope an IQ of 119 is not genius. Also they claim that with that IQ she would have planned it much better if she had premeditated it. I totally disagree with that, totally and completely.

 

[josie1986]

I loved Dr D yesterday she made everything common sensicle not sure if that is even a word because I am not as smart as JA!!!!! But as far as the PTSD goes (avoidance) no she went to the memorial, sent flowers, etc etc thank you Dr D finally someone sees what everyone else sees.
Cross did not go as JW expected yes she is young and she does not have the 60 plus year experience of your two expert but so far she has not left important papers at home, filled out test results whilst on the stand, made sense when talking about stressful or traumatic events, shows no bias of men, has talked to more than just JA.
Go Dr D
:great:

I agree, if I was wilmott I would skip trying to degrade her credentials and get to the main points and finish with her as soon as. She isnt going to be able to un ring the bell, the jury have already heard it and it fits with everything that I see it jodi.

Back to house work i go

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