PROSECUTION ADDED NEW WITNESS Hollie Guptill Mefford AND Jacob Mefford of Hesperia CA
JACOB MEFFORD: We were at a convention, actually, in Oklahoma City. It was a big company convention. And, we were all hanging out afterwards. And, for some reason, my wife felt compelled to videotape this story because we`d heard him say it before.
And so, we`re all as friends, close group, just hanging out around midnight and he`s just talking about a near-death experience that he had had at a robbery. And anyway, we were flipping through some old files and found it. So --
PINSKY: Can we -- in the control room, can we play it again with the sound? Is that possible?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To think this is how you die. This is it. And there was this woman that was seeing all this from like 10 feet away, and she started crying uncontrollably. So, I got a gun against my temple and he keeps like doing this with his gun, and she`s over here. So, I`m looking in my peripheral because I don`t want to turn this way, and I`m like, shut up, and he`s like shut up, shut up, shut up. And I got this gun against my head.
And all he needs to do is squeeze, you know? So, I`m like this woman is going to get killed. And I`m like looking at her with all the despair I can muster up in my retina. You know what I mean? It was -- it was -- it sucked.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: There`s much more to that tape. We`re going to show it later and tomorrow. Jenny, do you have a reaction to that.
JENNY HUTT, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: Jodi looks bored.
PINSKY: Yes.
HUTT: And, like she wants to focus on her rather than listening to him tell a scary story.
PINSKY: A really important story. A near-death experience of his. Hollie, is that how you react to that video as well?
HOLLIE MEFFORD, KNEW TRAVIS, KNEW JODI: Yes, and I also think for Jodi to be on the stand saying that Travis never showed affection, and he was embarrassed of her. This shows right here that -- I mean, there were - - you can`t see in the rest of the video, but there were 20 other people standing opposite to Travis listening to this story, and she was laying there -- and this is how she always was around the group.
She, you know, was apathetic. She didn`t care about anything. And, she was, you know, always trying to get Travis away from the group.
HUTT: So, basically, what you`re saying is it was a lot of public display of affection --
PINSKY: She`s like a feline (ph), a cat rolling up in his lap. It`s like extreme shows of affection. And then, again, you say, Hollie, isolating him from his friends and family. That`s kind of a move that people do when they`re up to no good.
HOLLIE MEFFORD: Yes. And Travis wasn`t overly affectionate in public. You know, he was not inappropriate, I guess, would be the way to say it. And she definitely forced public affection on him, but he wasn`t embarrassed. He certainly wasn`t trying to hide her until much further in the relationship after they broke up.
HUTT: I think cat-like was exactly right.
(CROSSTALK)
PINSKY: And Hollie, you said -- I guess, you have a story about a friend`s house, the Skye Hughes (ph) home?
HOLLIE MEFFORD: Yes. The Hughes home. Jodi showed up one day while I was there with Skye, and she showed up unannounced. She came over to ask Skye why Skye hated her, and Skye, for 15 minutes, told her why we didn`t like her, why we didn`t want her around, why we didn`t want her to be with Travis. And I told her to get out of her house, to never come back.
And then, I was in the kitchen making lunch for Skye`s kids, and Jodi, after, you know, being yelled at for 15 minutes, comes into the kitchen, sits at the dining room table and just sits there and stares at me while I`m cooking macaroni and cheese. And, I didn`t say anything to her. It was really awkward, and I didn`t want to be around her. And she just sat there for 10 minutes, and then, finally, she got up and left.
PINSKY: Weird.
HOLLIE MEFFORD: It was weird. I know if i was at someone`s house, and they yelled at me and told me to get out, I would run to my car crying, probably.
PINSKY: Yes. You would leave. You would feel, what have I done? You`d feel responsible. You`d be upset.
HOLLIE MEFFORD: Yes.
HUTT: Dr. Drew, does this sound like somebody who`s a shrinking -- or someone who`s afraid and timid?
PINSKY: This sounds like someone who is empty and sort of missing social cues, but feels sort of self-righteous and entitled. Janine, if you can see the video from where you were there, did you have a chance to look at it? Did you get anything out of that?
JANINE DRIVER, DECEPTION EXPERT: I did. So, we see her, you know -- like, I think the cat analogy is perfect, this sheepish person, and it`s imploding. And this does not look like a woman who is a battered woman. You know, usually, when you`re a battered woman, you`re on your toes a little bit. You`re off to please him. And instead, she doesn`t look like she`s pleasing him because she`s not impressing his friends, obviously, as we can see, from your guests tonight. So, this is -- it contradicts what she`s saying today in court.
PINSKY: And Mark, looking at this, anything about his shirts or sartorial comments?
MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The only thing I keep thinking seriously is just how sad this is. You know, I see it with every image. And now, newer (ph) images, I just think that this shouldn`t have happened. It`s so unbelievably tragic. And I`m telling you, the people I feel the most for are his family who somehow have to show restraint and not physically jump up and just want to hurt this girl for what she`s doing in the courtroom.
PINSKY: Yes. And Janine, I know -- I`m sure you looked at the family and what`s going on in their faces and body movements and I feel like what Mark is talking about is actually going on inside the family. They would love to jump up and throttle.
DRIVER: Dr. drew, we know from a murder trial -- when someone`s life is on the line for a death sentence, a death penalty, we know that the jury, when they are polled later, what made you decide to give someone the death penalty or not, they look at the victim`s family and then they look at the murderer`s family.
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