trial day 51: REBUTTAL; #158

[moonshyne]

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So was thinking again about Jodi dragging Travis back to the shower.

I still can't fathom how she physically did this? Part of me thinks there was a 3rd party involved. What do you guys think?




I am 5'1", weight 115, my DH is 5'11" weights 190lbs....our tiled hall is 11'7"...I convince him to let me see if I could pull him naked down the hall...he watches the trial with me so he knew what I was doing....and agreed...BLESS HIS HEART!! :floorlaugh: I did it and it was difficult...his butt/back/thighs/heels were scrapped. And his head knocked on the tile. :scared: I pulled him by grabbing is wrists, his arms were extended over his head...it was kind of like a heave ho motion, over and over. We didn't have any water or blood to help with the movement. No 3rd party needed. And if there had been a 3rd party JA would have given them up a long time ago. SHE DID THIS ALONE!! :moo:

I agree, difficult but far from impossible. When you factor in adrenaline too it becomes easier. I dont know about a slippery floor except for the bathroom because if I recall the hallway is carpetted but no matter, I used to be about the same height and weight as Jodi (pre-baby days lol) and I would have no problem. I am naturally very physically strong and you really cannot tell to look at me. The adrenaline would have made it even easier for her to do and I agree, if there was a third party involved sshe would have ratted years ago!

 

[DebinGA]

She's scary, I would have nightmares. I have to wonder if she has any way of making voodoo dolls in her cell.

She seems demonic, as if she radiates an evil force that she could direct to cause harm.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm optimistic too. Researched the Wendi Andriano verdict and saw that the jury deliberated for 2.5 hours to find her guilty and another 8 to decide on death over LWOP. Her trial was significantly shorter, but given the viciousness of Jodi's crime, the overwhelming evidence and the nature/tone of the juror questions, I can't imagine they'll decide on anything less than first-degree. I understand why the judge may allow a limited surrerebuttal, but much less so when it comes to the jury even considering manslaughter as an option after a four month trial built around a bogus self defense claim.

JMO - the DT should rethink the issue of bringing on one more head doc with a reputation of being a hired gun to continue the bogus claims of DV, PTSD, or debate BPD or any other freaking thing supposedly wrong with Ms. Arias. The jury is as over this garbage as we are, they know they have been lied to, and all they want to do IMO is fulfill their duty and be done. If the DT thinks for one minute that JM will not go after their third hired gun and destroy him as well, they are living in Jodi's alternate reality surrounded by fog and blood.

 

[neesaki]

After Nurmi made the statement about her having a different kind of relationship with Travis, I was so hoping that she would have replied "I am a different kind of woman than Jodie"

I think Nurmi questioned Deana just so he could wallow in the gutter some more with that vile sexually explicit language he is so fond of. And he just had to have the last word didn't he, with that petty pointless comment he made at the end. How pathetic that was all he could come up with in that whole entire line of questioning. This DT is totally desperate and are looking more foolish by the day, imo.

 

[LindaFaye]

I am 56 years old and the past 4 months I have heard more sex talk than my husband
and I have ever talked about and we have been married 26 years

 

[livelife]

It's still blows my mind how few "visible" injuries (finger, scratches she later blamed on the cat) she sustained during her murderous rage. I don't know how any juror could look at what happened to Travis vs. Jodi's lack of injuries and remotely buy into her claim of self-defense.

My bet is that she incapacitated him early on in the incident... I agree with your observations

 

[dani]

You are so right. I've noticed when she talks, she spews the big words but every now and then something will pop out that sounds surprisingly unpolished. Someday I'd love to go back through all those big words and count the times they were used incorrectly. She and Casey Anthony definitely have that in common.

Funny you say that! I was daydreaming about what it would be like if CA & JA were roommates. :bigfight:

 

[Paintr]

Can't blame 'em. Watermelon is great!

Thank you kindly, Sleuth! :blowkiss:

 

[audreyparker]

That's one of JA's absurdities that Dr. Horn will debunk on rebuttal.

I heard that the defense is objecting to him as a rebuttal witness, does anyone know if that is true?

If it is true that the defense doesn't want him to be able to be a rebuttal witness I'm sure that it's because he is going to highlight even more of JA's lies, just like what happened yesterday!

 

[Kamille]

I have been thinking about the camera thing, and had kind of light bulb moment, which is prob not so light-bulbish cause I'm sure someone on here has said it before but....putting the camera in the washer was her plan all along...however I think her plan originally was for the murder to occur earlier than it really happened (maybe she couldn't get Travis in the shower "on time"?), so therefore she thought she would have time to stay for the washer load to finish. I don't know. Then she was gonna take the camera back out and put it BACK IN ITS CASE, put the case back up neat and tidy in its orginal place...thinking no one would ever know the camera was even involved. This must have been her original plan. Anyway, turns out her time was running out, so she went along with the first part of her plan which was to put it in the washer to get all the DNA off, b/c at the time she didn't have time to make another plan.
I believe she had EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of the murder planned out...in the aftermath of it she did EVERYTHING SHE HAD PLANNED b/c she had gone over the steps in her head over and over again. She didn't know how to re-adjust b/c this was her plan and she wasn't smart enough to re-formulate it at the time.

I was also of the mindset that she intended to take the camera out of the washer and return it to the case but she either ran out of time or just forgot. She would have known that the missing camera would be a red flag pointing to her. If that camera had been put through the washer and returned to it's case, I'm not sure it would have been checked at all in relation to this case. Or if it was, as in all electronics would be checked, I'm sure she would have thought that it was rendered inoperable and that the deleted pictures at least would be unretrievable. Most people would think that. And that there was no blood or DNA evidence left on it either. So if anything, she may have concluded that LE might just think that the camera had been inadvertantly dropped in water by Travis himself and was no longer operable.

JA obviously had no idea what LE can do to retrieve information and the fact that they found the camera in an unusual place made it that much more imperative to try to get any and all information off of it. I wonder if they would have done this if the camera was just found in it's place? Either way, thank goodness they were able to get the information that they did from it.

MOO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

You are so right. I've noticed when she talks, she spews the big words but every now and then something will pop out that sounds surprisingly unpolished. Someday I'd love to go back through all those big words and count the times they were used incorrectly. She and Casey Anthony definitely have that in common.

While it's true that Jodi misuses many words, she has an innate ability to express herself verbally, and she is quite confident in doing so. I'm sure that Jodi's speech patterns are much different when she's in the jail where she probably tries to fit in with others there who don't have the same level of verbal intelligence that Jodi does. Many people "dumb down" their speech patterns when they're with people who are not in the same intellectual league. I do it, and I'm sure that others here do it, as well. :moo:

 

[ElleElle]

Great Post!

I agree, the last week before the killing seemed to be intensified.

Travis was clearly done with Jodi and her she went to extreme levels to rid of him. What did she do/say that was so bad? Did she threaten to release the phone sex tape to everyone? I think something with regards to their private sex life was the catalyst of Jodi' premeditation to kill.

BBM~ Then why, oh why, did he have sex with her on Jun4? Did she walk in? Did she sneak in? Did she call him parked nearby and said she was in Mesa? I doubt that as we have no phone calls made in AZ. All the questions, ugh.

Finally, if Travis was in fear for his life, he would've texted/called someone?

I believe she told him her cell phone was hopelessly lost, and sadly, according to her, she was just trying something out, and she recorded the sex call, she planned to delete it, and now....geee gad, it is out there, floating around and could come into anyone's hands.
Of course he would not have believed that. If I recall correctly some of his friends said that the week before his murder he started to get REALLY freaked out about some stuff Jodi was pulling, that even for her....was way out there. I believe it was Taylor that he read , what I call his "go f yourself and the horse you rode in on" message to Jodi, he read it to Taylor to show how explicit he was being telling her it is OVER, FOREVER. The friend asked him, OMG, buddy, aren't you afraid she is going to hurt you after getting something like that? He mentioned that Travis had already went to the Bishop about him and Jodi, so there was nothing she could do to him in that way, but his friend was literally afraid for Travis' LIFE. I am just surmising that it was after the sex tape.

She got the Helio phone, that records, from Gus, who seemed to have a real disdain for Travis and Chris Hughes. Gus said that he told Jodi straight up that Travis was using her for sex, and dating his good Mormon girls, looking for a wife, she was just being used. I think between Gus and Jodi the plan to record him, not being so Mormon was hatched.

Travis was blogging about how he had decided the time to come to grow up, look for a wife and begin his family. No where in that mindset would he be wanting someone he is just having sex with, that he is trying to get away from for the most part having something in another state.....that he would have no control over ....to record.

I know the rule is , if you are going to declare something ...provide the link, so let me say this is just what I remember Taylor saying, but I could be wrong. Let me try to find the link.

 

[Nhic]

Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 16h I posted an older art piece "Blissful Ignorance" on my site.


She posted it? :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

The lies will never stop with JA.

 

[Davia18]

:rockon:

It seemed he was very affectionate. If you watch the entire video, she sits up and you can see their hands are clasped. Instead of letting her hand go when she moves his arm from around her, he keeps holding it.

Certainly doesn't seem like a man who had no affection for her at all and wanted to keep her as a secret.

That's exactly what caught my attention.

That small gesture spoke volumes to me.

Really wish the jury was given the entire video.

 

[Boodles]

<snipped for space>
This constant scribbling that JA is up to - who knows, it may be a 'calming' technique she's been told to do. Hey, she may be working on updating her journals, and including her version of what's going on at the trial, thinking she'll write a book afterward. Or perhaps she'll get a prison degree in psych like Samuels and ALV. I also think she thinks her scribbling is a diss to whomever is testifying for the prosecution, that's how self deluded she is. She gave Deanna the oddest stare down though when Deanna was speaking about Napoleon - not sure what that was about.

BBM. I have never seen so much manic scribbling in my life! WTH is she doing??? It's just the craziest thing. I agree, it must be some way of dealing with her anxiety AND also, at certain times, a "diss" - like to Demarte. JA was losing it when Demarte was testifed - IMO both due to what Demarte was saying, and also because JA detests this woman.

But the constant writing/drawing/scribbling (who knows what's going on on those papers?!?) between JA and JW is nutso. It reminds me of middle school when we passed notes, but their pace is far more frantic and manic.

 

[websurfer]

Trial does not start today till 1:30 pm,here it is only 8:30 am
how long will it go do you think?Considering the lateness it starts?
usually it is about 7 pm here when it ends. East Coast...:twocents:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I wont be listening to Nurmis and Wilmers closing argument. They are way to annoying.

:seeya: Good idea ... it will be "torture" to listen to either one of them do the closing !

I think I will just have to read here at WS when they do closing ...

:rockon:

 

[TudorRose]

It would be interesting to know what date was on the cheque that JA gave TA the day he was killed. She went to great lengths to avoid detection that she was there that day, such as turning off cell phone, gas cans etc. The cheque was found on TA's desk, I'd be surprised if it was dated the day she gave it to him. Also why not just give him cash for a relatively small amount of money, particularly as she'd been to the bank depositing cash so recently?
I also think returning this money is the only reason TA initially agreed to see her.

The check was dated May 25th and was for $200.

 

[GoAskAllie]

While it's true that Jodi misuses many words, she has an innate ability to express herself verbally, and she is quite confident in doing so. I'm sure that Jodi's speech patterns are much different when she's in the jail where she probably tries to fit in with others there who don't have the same level of verbal intelligence that Jodi does. Many people "dumb down" their speech patterns when they're with people who are not in the same intellectual league. I do it, and I'm sure that others here do it, as well. :moo:

I "contemporaneously" agree and I'm sure Jodi would appreciate your edification of her awesome vocabulary.

 

[marlap]

Morning all...

Just wondering....Someone on TV mentioned last night that if Jodi is convicted of murder one, the jury will be there another month for the penalty phase. If Jodi is convicted of any lesser charge, the jury gets to go home. The TV people were saying they were worried the Jury will convict of a lesser charge so they could go home sooner.

I personally think the jury will convict of murder one even if they have to stay another month. Partly cos i have faith they want to do the right thing and partly cos they may feel all those months were wasted if they don't convict the way they really feel.

There is so much evidence of premeditation, I really do think they'll give her murder one regardless of how much longer they have to stay.