Trial day 53: REBUTTAL; #162

[elementary]

Well, actually, a big part of Travis' schtick in his motivational speeches was referring to himself as a "30 year old virgin" in a sort of "aw shucks" way. Emphasizing how his faith and chastity were indicative of the character he possessed, and therefore his success. Sadly, he possessed those traits even without the whole "virgin" thing and I hate he felt pressured to lie about it that way.

So, in effect, Travis perpetuated a false image of himself. I am ONLY referring to the statement you made saying nobody made him out to be a paragon of virtue. Not "deserving" to be murdered-so no flames, please.

It makes me have that much more respect for Deanna's frank honesty. No matter what it cost her. I am in awe of that girl.

Could you direct me to this 'schtick'? I am not aware of any video where he refers to himself as a '30 year old virgin'. The OP actually vaguely referenced media making him a paragon, not Travis.

 

[lucegirl]

Where are these photos that were shown in court today-TIA

Apparently the ones posted by josie upthread were not the ones. I thought they were as I had not scene the 1st one and it really, really rattled me because it was close up of his face and it is so distorted. After I posted I saw another comment that the ones posted earlier were not the ones in court. Beth K just described the pictures on JVM and she said it looks like the one Juan flashed at Lisa Andrews - the close up of the neck wound.

 

[seguek9]

I do have the link to them. If it's ok with mods to post, otherwise can PM them to you

I pm'ed you....are these the same Pics leaked months ago to some (i will not name them) death sites? I believe maybe the jury hasn't seen them before (except that one time weeks ago when JM slapped the neck photo up for a second...)...but we have seen them...right?

TIA.

 

[Nhic]

Hate talking about the victim, but I have to agree with you...about the sex part with the monster on that fateful day....I haven't wanted to bring that up but I must admit I've wondered about it and WHY Travis why ??

Why? JA could very well have been blackmailing him.

Do what I want or I'll go to your bishop with these pics and tapes.....

Travis' religion was very important to him. JA knew it. And exploited it. IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I pm'ed you....are these the same Pics leaked months ago to some (i will not name them) death sites? I believe maybe the jury hasn't seen them before (except that one time weeks ago when JM slapped the neck photo up for a second...)...but we have seen them...right?

TIA.

I believe so


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[Mrs G Norris]

Hate talking about the victim, but I have to agree with you...about the sex part with the monster on that fateful day....I haven't wanted to bring that up but I must admit I've wondered about it and WHY Travis why ??

I think he was trying to placate her, I think he thought he'd just get this visit over and done with .. he certainly doesn't look to enthused in any of the pictures

ETA: It's impossible to understand ..

 

[legalmania]

I should of known better than turn on JVM... she's always has the loudest Defense attorneys on there..sending me running for the Tylenol

I always think of the movie Airport when she is on, "I picked a bad day to stop smoking pot."

 

[Nhic]

Ita, I think the reason he is willing to get into this case is money and Attention and the reason dt are calling him Imo is because he is willing to look at half the story. Ja's half which is based on lies.

He will not be willing to look at TA's story. Sorry but I have no respect for him already

Agreed. I also think one of his main reasons for getting involved is to try and repair the tattered reputation of his friend and colleague ALV.

I too have zero respect for him.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

The qualifier "I'm not saying he deserved it or anything" concerns me, too. But for the opposite reason to yours, I think. I hear this qualification used again and again because the speaker is anticipating the wrong words being put into his/her mouth. It's a preemptive move, lest someone accuse them of excusing Jodi.

That Travis, like any homicide victim, didn't deserve to be murdered is a given. That he was "just a guy being a guy" is not. Some of us are not satisfied with the pass men are given to behave in ways that women would be condemned for. We think men can do better--much better--and that the world would be a better place if we stopped making excuses for them.

Who has used the phrase "just being a guy" in relation to this murder? What "pass" has Travis (or any man) been given to "behave in ways that women would be condemned?"

That sounds like 1970's ALV BS to me. Men and women are equally free to do whatever they want in a relationship. Women can now become men and have babies and go on Oprah. There is no rigid societal standard in our current culture--my God, our society is so sexualized that I'd love to know where these "condemned women" are hiding. Did these ladies not see the " Walk" parade passing by? JMOO

Travis had a mutually pleasing sexual relationship with a woman that turned out to be a psychotic murderer.

Travis did not do one thing wrong, except continue to allow a stalker to have access to his home and bed. And he paid a dear price for that.

The FULL BLAME goes to Jodi Arias. I don't give a hoot that she loved "**** in her face" as she said on the stand. She's not on trial for that. So she likes to put candy in her nether regions...I still do not give a flying f!

She is only being condemned for slaughtering a human being. Nothing else.

JMOO!!!

 

[princesspjs]

I agree with you. And going by her questioning of Dr Horn first time around, she's going to argue imo that exhibit 162 aka the drag pic shows Travis with arm up and head elevated. She's gonna argue the blood seen pouring down his back was from the gun shot to his head and he was alive when the camera accidentally snapped Arias's pant leg. iow Travis was still a threat to Arias and the jury has to fill in the blanks as to what happened next and why Travis was stabbed 29 times and had his throat slit from ear to ear. :stormingmad:

IMO this helps the prosecution prove the cruelty and suffering factor that constitutes the death penalty - GO FOR IT JW - let's see how that works out for you! :great::great:

 

[Bravo]

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Really liked your post. I'll add that now I am totally desensitized to many sexual maneuvers! That said, I never want to hear the phone sex tape again. I will miss JUAN! He is so professional and gallant and wise.
Also, I will miss coming here to follow along with the daily trial doings. It is time for it be over but I still will miss you all. You are sharp, witty, and awesome correspondents.

No reason to leave after. Many more cases. Unfortunately sigh......

 

[Linda7NJ]

I pm'ed you....are these the same Pics leaked months ago to some (i will not name them) death sites? I believe maybe the jury hasn't seen them before (except that one time weeks ago when JM slapped the neck photo up for a second...)...but we have seen them...right?

TIA.

I've seen 3 head photos. One primarily the throat wound, one face and another kinda of the back of his head with ear wound. Have you seen those?


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[gngr~snap]

That is a clear photo of the gunshot wound above the right eyebrow. Thank you very much, josie1986. I can feel the pain of it, just looking at the location. What a terrible target!

i know she did the best she could but jw look really silly trying to debate the ME, trying to imply maybe only ta's sinuses were damaged. his comeback was priceless. :moo:

For real! With the downward trajectory too.
She was above his head.

How dare her try and say it missed his brain!
Really?

Never mind that it went through skull entered brain went though skull again and ended in his cheek.

 

[garthmax]

If someone else has already said this, please forgive me.....
Am I following JW correctly when, in her final questioning, she asked the ME all about the neck wound and wouldn't the neck wound be incapacitating enough that he would not be able to hold his head up...
In her closing - is she planning to argue that Travis was holding his head up in the picture where Jodi is dragging him down the hall? That's what I gleaned from her question. What do you think?

I could not see much of anything in that photo until it was pointed out.

 

[kaRN]

Surrebuttal can only address new testimony presented during rebuttal...Kevin Horne testified to this during the CIC so it wasn't new.

He mentioned seizures today for the first time though. :facepalm:

 

[Lilly12]

Wow. Per Beth K-

I just received an update to the defense costs paid by the county. As of April 25, 2013, $1,687,328.21 have been paid. The previously released figure, $1,402,668.84 was as of March 28, 2013. This comes from Maricopa County Communications Director. #JodiArias

Can some one answer this for me. Why is this trial so expensive? And does every defendant get this kind of money for their defense? Why does Jodi get a $250.00 hr. lawyer and another ? per hour lawyer. If I were a defendant I certainly would want no less (monetary) treatment than Jodi received. moo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I could not see much of anything in that photo until it was pointed out.

Same here... Until someone posted a much better quality photo I couldn't make it out either.


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[Words2Serve]

I still think it is a waste of time for the DT to bring their sur-rebuttal witness to dispute the BPD diagnosis. Do they really think it is going to make a difference at this point to the jury? She said she committed the crime, she lied about it, they have gruesome autopsy pics, did I mention she lied?

My dream is if this witness did the typical psychodribble and really didn't say anything new, or different, and JM stands up and in his cool way says I never needed this witness thank you... only because I feel like the defense will be planning more for his cross.

 

[pferrin]

Who has used the phrase "just being a guy" in relation to this murder? What "pass" has Travis (or any man) been given to "behave in ways that women would be condemned?"

That sounds like 1970's ALV BS to me. Men and women are equally free to do whatever they want in a relationship. Women can now become men and have babies and go on Oprah. There is no rigid societal standard in our current culture--my God, our society is so sexualized that I'd love to know where these "condemned women" are hiding. Did these ladies not see the " Walk" parade passing by? JMOO

Travis had a mutually pleasing sexual relationship with a woman that turned out to be a psychotic murderer.

Travis did not do one thing wrong, except continue to allow a stalker to have access to his home and bed. And he paid a dear price for that.

The FULL BLAME goes to Jodi Arias. I don't give a hoot that she loved "**** in her face" as she said on the stand. She's not on trial for that. So she likes to put candy in her nether regions...I still do not give a flying f!

She is only being condemned for slaughtering a human being. Nothing else.

JMOO!!!

If I was allowed to hit Thanks a thousand times...I would have. Thanks for standing for Travis ..the Victim ..

 

[kaydono]

Oh, I know some people will disagree with me here, but I don't believe for one minute that JW has any illusions about her client. She will not be cuddling up to her once this trial is over.

You are most likely correct. JW, basically, is her babysitter, for the duration of the trial. I would make certain, if I was JW, that JA had zero access to any personal information about me, or my family. She scares me almost as much as Manson.... if not more so, spooky, dead eyes. :eye::eye: I would have a difficult time, if I was JW, letting her get so close to me, having her look into my face so closely. I would require strong medication, maybe more than one kind. :gasp: