Trial Delayed until at least January

[Madeleine74]

I know lots of people who will drive out of their way just to save a few cents on a gallon of gas. I bet everyone knows people who do that.

I have yet to find anyone who would intentionally pump $15 worth of gas, pay $20 for it, and not retrieve their $5 in change. I doubt even Warren Buffet would do such a thing (assuming he pumped his own gas).

It's not a normal activity and it's just another "coincidence" in a series of coincidences encompassing that night and morning.

But don't forget that Gracie also described the vehicle the person was driving--she said it was a white or light colored SUV.

 

[Just the Fax]

I know lots of people who will drive out of their way just to save a few cents on a gallon of gas. I bet everyone knows people who do that.

I have yet to find anyone who would intentionally pump $15 worth of gas, pay $20 for it, and not retrieve their $5 in change. I doubt even Warren Buffet would do such a thing (assuming he pumped his own gas).

It's not a normal activity and it's just another "coincidence" in a series of coincidences encompassing that night and morning.

But don't forget that Gracie also described the vehicle the person was driving--she said it was a white or light colored SUV.

So a white SUV is seen at 3:30AM at Birchleaf, then again in King NC at 5:30AM....Then the camera is tampered with again at 6:35AM?

Come on jury, use some basic common sense next time.

Put this sleazy murderer away !!!

 

[MyBelle]

JLY himself says he left the hotel (to "smoke a cigar and read the newspaper sports scores" and oh yeah..."get his laptop computer power cord") right before midnight. He claims he then used a twig to prop the door. There is video evidence of him heading out toward the exit. So yes, he was out of the room and left the hotel.

What isn't available is any video of him coming back into the hotel and in a massive coincidence, the security camera covering that exit was unplugged on this night of nights. And after the camera was plugged back in and repositioned around 5am or so, it was shoved up towards the ceiling a mere 60 to 90 min later in yet another coincidence.

So many coincidences befalling this one guy and his movements and actions.

The prosecution failed to offer any credible evidence Jason left the hotel PREMISES, which a return trip to Raleigh required. I doubt the next jury will consider a photo of Young walking down a hallway is sufficient proof he left the premises for a round-trip to Raleigh.



JMO

 

[Madeleine74]

The C.E. is there and if the state would just bring it all out, in a cohesive way, and not take any shortcuts, then down some caffeine, and give a few triple shots of espresso to Spivey too, they'd have a compelling case to present start to finish.

They need to not dwell as much on the affairs because (apparently) that doesn't seem to matter to people.

I wonder if Ms. Montana camp friend will be brought back for round 2.

 

[Just the Fax]

The prosecution failed to offer any credible evidence Jason left the hotel PREMISES, which a return trip to Raleigh required. I doubt the next jury will consider a photo of Young walking down a hallway is sufficient proof he left the premises for a round-trip to Raleigh.

JMO

JMO

Come on Belle, you know Jay told us he left the hotel at midnight.
Where is the evidence he returned?

1- door keycard?
2- Video?

Nope

 

[Just the Fax]

The C.E. is there and if the state would just bring it all out, in a cohesive way, and not take any shortcuts, then down some caffeine, and give a few triple shots of espresso to Spivey too, they'd have a compelling case to present start to finish.

They need to not dwell as much on the affairs because (apparently) that doesn't seem to matter to people.

I wonder if Ms. Montana camp friend will be brought back for round 2.

No doubt, she was the last to see his very active pecker.

 

[Madeleine74]

The prosecution failed to offer any credible evidence Jason left the hotel PREMISES

I find his Hush Puppies shoe prints in blood at the crime scene pretty darn credible as corroborating evidence that he "left the hotel premises." What are the odds that someone else wearing the exact same size and style of shoe as JLY murdered M.Y.? That's just one item that corroborates.

Now where exactly did those shoes go? I know he bought another pair a few days later...

 

[Just the Fax]

I find his Hush Puppies shoe prints in blood at the crime scene pretty darn credible as corroborating evidence that he "left the hotel premises." What are the odds that someone else wearing the exact same size and style of shoe as JLY murdered M.Y.? That's just one item that corroborates.

Now where exactly did those shoes go? I know he bought another pair a few days later...

He told us Michelle sent the 15 month old shoes to charity

 

[MyBelle]

I haven't flipped. I've held the belief that Jason was guilty since a few weeks after the murder. Now that we've heard the prosecution's argument, I no longer perceive this as a discussion about beilefs, but moreso about known facts. Prior to the trial, we didn't know what the prosecution had. Now we know.

In terms of legal arguments, I don't see a strong case. That doesn't change the fact that I'm of the opinion that Jason murdered his wife, but in terms of whether it can be demonstrated that he murdered his wife ... I'm unsure. For example, after the murder and before an arrest, it was widely said that the reason police delayed making an arrest was not because they lacked evidence, but because they wanted to ensure that they had a death penalty case. I accepted this as truth. We now know that wasn't true, as the victim's family was never in favor of the death penalty. What that means, today, is that the delay was due to the absence of sufficient evidence to bring charges ... nothing to do with a death penalty case.

I think it's important to revisit what we believed and what is true, from time to time, to ensure that we're not part of a group mentality that perceives all actions, statements and evidence with colored glasses. For example, Jason claimed that he picked up the paper to check scores, or whatever. There's nothing sinister about that, yet it has been suggested that this is illogical and suspicious if it occurs at midnight. I don't buy that and don't want to be part of the mentality that blindly accepts those opinions. Stating that I find nothing suspicious about reading a newspaper for any reason at any time of day doesn't mean I believe he is not guilty, it means I'm looking for the facts and the truth amidst the opinions.

Why do you continue to hold the opinion he's guilty? In all spousal homicides I've followed, there is usually a clear motive as well as evidence of opportunity or planning or the suspect's own words to police or family or friends. In this case, I've yet to see any such evidence. He was an unfaithful man but that's not evidence he wanted his son dead.

I have no problem whatsoever forming the conclusion there is no evidence because the man is innocent of the crime.

JMO

 

[otto]

JLY himself says he left the hotel (to "smoke a cigar and read the newspaper sports scores" and oh yeah..."get his laptop computer power cord") right before midnight. He claims he then used a twig to prop the door. There is video evidence of him heading out toward the exit. So yes, he was out of the room and left the hotel.

What isn't available is any video of him coming back into the hotel and in a massive coincidence, the security camera covering that exit was unplugged on this night of nights. And after the camera was plugged back in and repositioned around 5am or so, it was shoved up towards the ceiling a mere 60 to 90 min later in yet another coincidence.

So many coincidences befalling this one guy and his movements and actions.

Coincidences don't imply cause. Jason's wife was murdered while he was on a business trip. Investigators have failed, thus far, to demonstrate how he could have committed the murder.

Who else was staying at the hotel that night ... were there any wedding parties or other partiers that could have been fooling around with cameras? We can't know that, but maybe the coincidence was that there was a party and the cameras were moved or unplugged.

What we know is that police focused exclusively on Jason from the moment they discovered the body. Jason knew this, his family and friends knew this and Jason's lawyer advised him to avoid the police. It was good advice. Police set about trying to prove that Jason could have committed the murder. Thus far, they have failed.

 

[otto]

$5.00 cash is a "little money" at a gas pump?
Really, for a guy in a white Ford Explorer?

I understand that a 5 foot tall man in a bad mood went to that particular gas station and, just before leaving, he gave the clerk a $5 tip. Maybe that person felt bad about being rude.

 

[Just the Fax]

I understand that a 5 foot tall man in a bad mood went to that particular gas station and, just before leaving, he gave the clerk a $5 tip. Maybe that person felt bad about being rude.

Your "understanding" is nowhere like mine.

 

[Madeleine74]

He told us Michelle sent the 15 month old shoes to charity

Well the case is now solved! The person who purchased his 15 month old used and donated shoes obviously came back and murdered Michelle. Some show of gratitude, eh?



Yeah I remember that one. :liar:

Funny since those were the shoes he was wearing at The Cracker Barrel the same evening.

 

[otto]

Why do you continue to hold the opinion he's guilty? In all spousal homicides I've followed, there is usually a clear motive as well as evidence of opportunity or planning or the suspect's own words to police or family or friends. In this case, I've yet to see any such evidence. He was an unfaithful man but that's not evidence he wanted his son dead.

I have no problem whatsoever forming the conclusion there is no evidence because the man is innocent of the crime.

JMO

There aren't any other known viable suspects. Investigators had tunnel vision in this case, which is a shame. What we are left with is that the husband is the most likely suspect, but there isn't enough evidence to demonstrate that he committed the murder. Some murders happen simply because one person is really angry at the other. Regarding the fact that his wife was pregnant, he may have perceived that as a reason to murder her - that she was trapping him with a big family and too much responsibility. I think it's quite common for men to be apprehensive about a pregnancy.

Jason was a really lousy husband, a chauvinist, ill-tempered, dishonest and manipulative with a sense of humor that usually involved humiliating others. With a character like that and a murdered wife, one does have to wonder. There's no way that I would rule him out ... ever. Still, I don't see enough evidence to conclusively demonstrate that he is guilty.

 

[Just the Fax]

Tunnel vision?
Are you serious otto?
Did you see the 2007 SW's questioning MF's involvement?
The investigation lasted 3 years. No stone left unturned.
Everything lead straight to JLY.

I thought you followed this case early on?

 

[otto]

So a white SUV is seen at 3:30AM at Birchleaf, then again in King NC at 5:30AM....Then the camera is tampered with again at 6:35AM?

Come on jury, use some basic common sense next time.

Put this sleazy murderer away !!!

Just the facts would be that it was a "light colored" SUV, not a white SUV. Jason had a white SUV, so the evidence is twisted just a wee bit to match the facts. Similar, not the same.

Basic common sense dictates that it's important to revisit the facts, not to blindly believe.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081417-20080818133617555.pdf

 

[Grammy Jean]

Why do you continue to hold the opinion he's guilty? In all spousal homicides I've followed, there is usually a clear motive as well as evidence of opportunity or planning or the suspect's own words to police or family or friends. In this case, I've yet to see any such evidence. He was an unfaithful man but that's not evidence he wanted his son dead.

I have no problem whatsoever forming the conclusion there is no evidence because the man is innocent of the crime.

JMO

I'd say there was evidence of planning when he decided to stay at a Hamton Inn half way to his business meeting rather than one right in the area.Also showed planning when he would not use his key card to get back in the room. Also showed planning when he printed off papers about he Coach purse and then "forgot" to take them off the printer. Also showed planning when he called Meridith to go to the house. Also showed planning when he got rid of the shirt that he was wearing when he left the hotel at midnight.

 

[MyBelle]

I find his Hush Puppies shoe prints in blood at the crime scene pretty darn credible as corroborating evidence that he "left the hotel premises." What are the odds that someone else wearing the exact same size and style of shoe as JLY murdered M.Y.? That's just one item that corroborates.

Now where exactly did those shoes go? I know he bought another pair a few days later...

The shoe prints aren't evidence he left the hotel premises. The prosecution's own witness could not positively conclude the shoe prints were made by Jason Young's shoes. Has nothing to do with "odds" because there was also testimony that there were a variety of styles of Hush Puppies that used that same sole pattern. Not just one shoe was made and sold to Jason Young.

Also no evidence whatsoever that Jason Young was wearing the shoes that made the shoeprints. Again, if there is no proof he left the hotel premises, no proof he was at the crime scene that had evidence pointing to someone else with unidentified prints and DNA, it will be impossible for an entire jury to ever agree that Young is guilty.

JMO

 

[Just the Fax]

Just the facts would be that it was a "light colored" SUV, not a white SUV. Jason had a white SUV, so the evidence is twisted just a wee bit to match the facts. Similar, not the same.

Basic common sense dictates that it's important to revisit the facts, not to blindly believe.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081417-20080818133617555.pdf

Just the fax is the name. Please don't insult me by calling me Kim Young -just the facts:crazy:

She said "light" could have been white. It is for me, not you?

 

[Just the Fax]

The shoe prints aren't evidence he left the hotel premises. The prosecution's own witness could not positively conclude the shoe prints were made by Jason Young's shoes. Has nothing to do with "odds" because there was also testimony that there were a variety of styles of Hush Puppies that used that same sole pattern. Not just one shoe was made and sold to Jason Young.

Also no evidence whatsoever that Jason Young was wearing the shoes that made the shoeprints. Again, if there is no proof he left the hotel premises, no proof he was at the crime scene that had evidence pointing to someone else with unidentified prints and DNA, it will be impossible for an entire jury to ever agree that Young is guilty.

JMO

Belle, no offense, but if you were the jury forewoman, I think you would be impeached.