Trial Delayed until at least January

[otto]

That's it!! It really isn't surprising that eight adults refused to buy it.

JMO

It makes no sense whatsoever. What's with the other four adults ... were they posting on some forum before the trial?

 

[MyBelle]

Some other judge declared him the slayer without so much as a trial ... all based on the bold claims from an investigator that believed him to be guilty and a bunch of crazy drunken party stories. When I hear crazy stuff like that I have to wonder what's in the water in the courthouse.

it's the same judge, iirc and the same investigator who testified before the grand jury that indicted Young.

Very crazy stuff is what drew me to this case. The other day when I heard the Judge booted a potential juror for posting on a forum I wondered why forums were on anybody's radar. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

JMO

 

[otto]

Thank you for posting this!! I've been going back and trying to find it without luck. A picture is worth a thousand words!! Good job, JTF!!!

The width of an exterior door is 3 feet. The distance between the door and the bush appears to be three feet. When the door is wide open (about 135 degrees) it's not much of a reach to grab a stick. It's a much bigger leap to tamper with a camera that is 10 feet above the floor.

When was the bush last trimmed? If the photo was not taken at the time of the murder, it's kind of useless ... since bushes grow quite fast and need to be trimmed annually.

 

[MyBelle]

It makes no sense whatsoever. What's with the other four adults ... were they posting on some forum before the trial?

I think it's more likely one or more of the jurors were posting or reading forums during the trial and the Judge found out about it.

JMO

 

[otto]

it's the same judge, iirc and the same investigator who testified before the grand jury that indicted Young.

Very crazy stuff is what drew me to this case. The other day when I heard the Judge booted a potential juror for posting on a forum I wondered why forums were on anybody's radar. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

JMO

If it's the same judge that previously declared Jason guilty even though he did not have a trial and did not utter a word, then I think the judge may indeed have an opinion about guilt.

After the Cooper trial, lawyers in NC are very aware of forums.

 

[MyBelle]

I never said that Mr. Hicks testified to that. I would appreciate it if you would read my posts before you call me out, please.

LE testified that it was unplugged at 11:20 because that was the last time an image was recorded from that camera until it was plugged back in the next morning.

I did read your post as did another poster who challenged you on it. Here's your posting I replied to where you claim the camera was unplugged at 11:20When another poster, Otto, asked you where you got this information, you replied "testimony." It's a known fact that Mr. Hicks is the only witness who testified about the time he noticed the camera was unplugged. It might be your opinion the camera was unplugged at 11:20 but there is nothing to prove it is fact. LE did NOT testify about a time the camera was unplugged.

JMO

Originally Posted by tarheel8600
I'm just not buying that in the case of JY. He went to get his charger around 11:20 (the same time the security camera was unplugged).

 

[Just the Fax]

The width of an exterior door is 3 feet. The distance between the door and the bush appears to be three feet. When the door is wide open (about 135 degrees) it's not much of a reach to grab a stick. It's a much bigger leap to tamper with a camera that is 10 feet above the floor.

When was the bush last trimmed? If the photo was not taken at the time of the murder, it's kind of useless ... since bushes grow quite fast and need to be trimmed annually.

What would you grab, otto?
A rock, 1 foot away or break off a twig 4 1/2 feet away:waitasec:

BTW, my pic was taken 2007...useless?

 

[borndem]

I think it's more likely one or more of the jurors were posting or reading forums during the trial and the Judge found out about it.

JMO

Forgive me, Belle, but your opinion is, IMO, stepping onto dangerous territory.... (Again, JMO)

Don't you rather think he would have separately interviewed each one under oath and possibly charged him/her with Contempt, excused the juror, and called the next alternate? Judge Donald Stephens?

 

[MyBelle]

It's really quite shocking to know that investigators wasted money testing rocks outside a hotel door to see if any had 3 alleles that matched their preferred suspect, or to know that they wasted money tested the soil under a running hose to see if there was any trace of blood. I think they should have stepped back, taken it from the top and tried harder to avoid tunnel vision.

Absolutely agree! It is astounding and also more than a little sickening.

At the time the rock was tested, I do wonder if the prosecution knew it was a random rock or if they discovered it was random when they heard the testimony from Hicks.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Forgive me, Belle, but your opinion is, IMO, stepping onto dangerous territory.... (Again, JMO)

Don't you rather think he would have separately interviewed each one under oath and possibly charged him/her with Contempt, excused the juror, and called the next alternate? Judge Donald Stephens?

My opinion is just that and discussing a trial is not stepping into dangerous territory.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

If it's the same judge that previously declared Jason guilty even though he did not have a trial and did not utter a word, then I think the judge may indeed have an opinion about guilt.

After the Cooper trial, lawyers in NC are very aware of forums.

Forums and twittering. The Judge in the Cooper trial seemed totally clueless about technology and social media.

I think the fact that this Judge allowed Jason bail is a reflection of his opinion about Jason's guilt.

JMO

 

[Madeleine74]

Yep just as I suspected.

Investigators look in depth and have tunnel vision. Crime labs test and it's a waste of $$$.

However, if it's on an episode of CSI it's brilliant!

But done in real life? dumb, waste, too narrow a focus, sickening.

If only real life investigators had the magic crystal balls some posters seem to have.

Otherwise they shouldn't really bother to investigate anyone because it's not fairrrr and only evidence that jumps up and waves should be collected and tested. But if they don't test everything they're still incompetent. Yep, I see how this works.

 

[tarheel8600]

About those bloody footprints ... it doesn't sound like she was carried from the bedroom to the bathroom ... since her footprints were tracked between the two rooms.

"Investigators testified they tracked her bloody footprints in the bedroom and into the adjacent bathroom."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/michelle-y...sband-charged-murder-begins/story?id=15386290

She is heard in the 911 call discussing a wash cloth. Why are we assuming that she couldn't use the wash cloth to clean off her feet ... she seemed well aware of the concept.

BBM

Otto, Cassidy was definitely carried from her mom's bedroom to the bathroom.
Here's a link to the picture; it's picture 42:
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/image_gallery/9727548/

As you can see there are no bloody footprints in the hallway. It has been theorized that Cassidy could have been cleaned with baby wipes. They could have been easily put into a trash bag and thrown away later. That would explain no blood in the sink drain.

What person do you believe would carry her from the bedroom to the bathroom, clean her, and then place her in bed? I don't think a robber who would beat a pregnant woman to death so mercilessly and with such rage would then turn around and care for a child he is not connected to. It doesn't make sense.

During the 911 call, CY does say that her mommy needs a washcloth and that her mommy has boo boos. Because CY had taken many baths where she was cleaned with a washcloth, it makes sense that she said that her mommy needed a washcloth because her mommy was covered in blood and needed cleaning. That doesn't, however, mean that she could actually use a washcloth and clean herself thoroughly. Most children don't master that concept until years later.

If CY had cleaned herself, you can bet she would have missed some spots and they would have been transferred into the bed. Lastly, if CY cleaned herself, where is the bloody washcloth?

 

[MyBelle]

The width of an exterior door is 3 feet. The distance between the door and the bush appears to be three feet. When the door is wide open (about 135 degrees) it's not much of a reach to grab a stick. It's a much bigger leap to tamper with a camera that is 10 feet above the floor.

When was the bush last trimmed? If the photo was not taken at the time of the murder, it's kind of useless ... since bushes grow quite fast and need to be trimmed annually.

It's kind of useless not only because we don't know when it was taken, we don't even know for sure that it is of the same hotel.

JMO

 

[gracielee]

Well, when you have 1/2 gallon in the tank, there are not too many options :floorlaugh:

I'm still curious as to what kind of gas supply JLY kept on hand at his house. Right now we have at least three, possibly four, 5 gallon cans of gas on hand. He had nearly 2 acres of land, didn't he? We only have one acre, but we also have a generator in case of power outages, hence we keep gas on hand. He could have added a bit to his tank while at home murdering his wife.:furious:

 

[MyBelle]

I'm still curious as to what kind of gas supply JLY kept on hand at his house. Right now we have at least three, possibly four, 5 gallon cans of gas on hand. He had nearly 2 acres of land, didn't he? We only have one acre, but we also have a generator in case of power outages, hence we keep gas on hand. He could have added a bit to his tank while at home murdering his wife.:furious:

LE didn't testify what kind of gas supply they found on hand so apparently they found no evidence to support your theory.

JMO

 

[tarheel8600]

It's kind of useless not only because we don't know when it was taken, we don't even know for sure that it is of the same hotel.

JMO

JTF took the photo in 2007, and it is the same HI where JY stayed the night of the murder. Or should I say, it's the same HI where JY didn't stay the night of the murder?

 

[tarheel8600]

LE didn't testify what kind of gas supply they found on hand so apparently they found no evidence to support your theory.

JMO

Maybe LE didn't find any on hand because JY took the gas cans with him and then disposed of them to get rid of the evidence. He got rid of his clothes, shoes, the murder weapon, and the jewelry so maybe he got rid of the gas cans, too.

 

[MyBelle]

JTF took the photo in 2007, and it is the same HI where JY stayed the night of the murder. Or should I say, it's the same HI where JY didn't stay the night of the murder?

I think it bogus but it also is irrelevant. It isn't actual evidence.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe LE didn't find any on hand because JY took the gas cans with him and then disposed of them to get rid of the evidence. He got rid of his clothes, shoes, the murder weapon, and the jewelry so maybe he got rid of the gas cans, too.

LE didn't testify they didn't find any gas cans. While it may be your opinion items were missing, your opinion isn't fact.

It is a fact that the prosecutor went with the witness at the convenience store. They didn't remotely suggest JY took additional gas from home.

JMO