Trial Discussion Thread #19 - 14.04.07, Day 17

[Interested Bystander]

He said he took off his jeans/trousers and legs in two ways:
1) Removed both as a set, just slipped out of his pants leaving the pants and prosthetics paired together. Makes sense if he intended to wear the same pants in the morning to get a cup of coffee.
2) Remove them both separately and place the pants on top of the prosthetics.

I'm leaning toward option #2 that evening because the pants were apparently thrown across the room as he grabbed for his legs. And they were most likely on the right side of the bed. IMO. This right side left side thing does't bother me really, but his saying he was on the left side has no advantage to his story that I can see, but there is one or he would not say that.

I think I may have misunderstood. For your (2) I thought he meant he removed them separately and then placed the pants over the prosthetics (he said on top of). So you may well be right.

 

[screecher]

~snipped~...He doesn't (and shouldn't) need to speak for Reeva.

Yeah, IMO, he was being highly insensitive and insulting to Reeva's loved ones. Christ on crutches, WTH was he thinking?

 

[Interested Bystander]

Any police officers reading, please don't get offended, but I've noticed in public they have a very distinct style of relating a crime incident to the public. They get very formal and a little stilted.

OP seemed to drop into that style when relating the party incident. It wasn't 'a man' approaching him, it was a 'gentleman', and he didn't tell him to go away, but said something like 'I'd rather not discuss that' or something? It was very odd.

He didn't want the media attention, apparently, so didn't report it for two days. But then he did. So that's a bit confusing too.

I thought many of his responses were typical of someone who had been coached.

 

[soozieqtips]

I think he was playing to the Judge and to the assessors.



OP is in a Court of Law, answering to the charges of unlawful and intentional killing of a human being.

It is absolutely NOT appropriate for his therapist to stroke his face or to otherwise physically comfort him.

His therapist is not his mother. It is not her role to offer OP motherly affection - in fact, it crosses ethical and professional boundaries for her to do so.

Why, may I ask, should he be provided privacy for his alleged 'breakdown'?

BBM - Cynical me thinks he doesn't want privacy at all. He wants his 'anguish' to be witnessed by all and sundry.

To the Steenkamps, he said:

"I've tried to put my words on paper many, many times to write to you".

... but didn't manage it in over a year... and then

"But no words will ever suffice."

... and yet they sufficed today while everyone was watching. Sorry, I don't believe he'd 'tried' to put pen to paper at all. He wanted the apology to be seen. As for taking anti-depressants, sleeping pills, being scared to sleep and having nightmares etc, it doesn't really seem to have stopped him moving on with his life. He's not a recluse, he's not being treated in a psychiatric hospital, and if the Mail is to be believed (which often, it is not) he has a new girlfriend that he met last December. So he must still be able to function normally enough to live his life on a day-to-day basis.

From the BBC:

In his quest to show he has been living in fear of a violent society - never feeling safe even in his highly secure estate - he will need to find a balance and not try to appear to be the victim.
That was Reeva Steenkamp.
Anything else would lose him favour in the court of public perception.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26916912

 

[04009margaret]

I think he was playing to the Judge and to the assessors.



OP is in a Court of Law, answering to the charges of unlawful and intentional killing of a human being.

It is absolutely NOT appropriate for his therapist to stroke his face or to otherwise physically comfort him.

His therapist is not his mother. It is not her role to offer OP motherly affection - in fact, it crosses ethical and professional boundaries for her to do so.

Why, may I ask, should he be provided privacy for his alleged 'breakdown'?

To avoid all this, the Oscar show. What was everyone talking about after court finished today? Oscar & his breakdown, having to be comforted by his therapist. And once again Reeva isn't the headline, the apology is & Oscar's breakdown is.

 

[zwiebel]

I thought many of his responses were typical of someone who had been coached.

Definitely, some parts did not seem spontaneous. All the parts about his career did though. There was a huge difference in the language used, the tone of it and the speed, I think.

I would go back and highlight all the differences, but I think it was so obvious in his testimony, I probably don't need to.

 

[Viper]

I think I may have misunderstood. For your (2) I thought he meant he removed them separately and then placed the pants over the prosthetics (he said on top of). So you may well be right.

Aren't we both saying the same thing? Over or on top of is the same thing, right? Anyway the two ways are pants and prosthetics still together as when being worn, and pants and prosthetics not together but the pants DRAPED over the prosthetics. :thumb:

 

[zwiebel]

"Oscar Pistorius apologises for killing Reeva Steenkamp"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26916912

 

[zwiebel]

"Oscar Pistorius weeps as he tells Reeva Steenkamp's mother, "I'm sorry" '

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-tells-Reeva-Steenkamps-mother-Im-sorry.html

 

[jay-jay]

Christ on crutches

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: .. I'll have to remember that one!

 

[DebinGA]

To avoid all this, the Oscar show. What was everyone talking about after court finished today? Oscar & his breakdown, having to be comforted by his therapist. And once again Reeva isn't the headline, the apology is & Oscar's breakdown is.

Today's therapist scene was so bizarre I think it's possible OP has been programmed to cry on cue at the word "Reeva" and others to come like "baba" - " My Angel".

 

[sorrell skye]

To avoid all this, the Oscar show. What was everyone talking about after court finished today? Oscar & his breakdown, having to be comforted by his therapist. And once again Reeva isn't the headline, the apology is & Oscar's breakdown is.

Ah - I see. I thought it may have been because some believed that OP deserved to allegedly 'grieve' in private.

He deserves nothing, as far as I'm concerned.

OP and his supporters may think he's the headline, but they would be wrong.

Nel, and by extension the person he's fighting for justice for - Reeva Steenkamp - are the headlines today as far as I'm concerned, regardless of what the MSM may report.

 

[Mango33]

Actually, your post a few pages back stated that people are using 'code words' and being racist by proxy. Code words imply that some secret handbook or list is being passed around with the secret code so that people can purposely say racist things publicly and get away with it. Unless someone can turn up a msm article with proof of this racial code word documentation, such comments should not be stated as fact of representation of certain people, political groups, or areas of the country, IMO.

"Urban" is often used as a euphemism for hip-hop/black/minority culture . This is nothing new. It is only racist if the context is racist. If you have never heard it used this way, no worries. Check out the Urban Music Awards (hip hop and soul awards). The term "urban music" has even made it into the Oxford dictionary.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/urban

I know what the original poster meant by this word. But this is all off topic, so I'll get back to OP!

 

[zwiebel]

"I have terrible nightmares....I can smell blood"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-trial-live-recap-3383787

In my opinion, Oscar is a very visceral, physically reactive person. I dunno what the words are, but he seems to react physically to life. He needs to be physically stroked and touched when sad, and reacts with his body to stress and trauma by vomiting etc.

So is it too far out for me to guess he also reacts in a physical way when angered?

 

[Duchy]

Me too, and I always heat the milk, very yum!

Wheetabix with butter on are yummy:blushing:

 

[04009margaret]

Stress. Dewani's still not on the plane for Cape Town and this trial's adjourned because OP was so tired....Both men are so traumatized by their experiences they present themselves as the real victims.

Meanwhile, two lovely women are dead and their families wait and wait, for answers. It's so sad. I've noticed neither of these families have cried out for punishment - they just need to know what happened. They want the truth and feel thay have not been given it, so far.

Who is Dewani?

 

[Duchy]

lawd, I think OP is going to make a mess on the stand, I wonder how Roux has prepared him? Its going to be awful is he is sobbing and hurling while sitting up there! We may not be able to make out what he is saying!

interpreter?:whoosh:

 

[soozieqtips]

Or four Weetabix. There were old ads in the UK featuring a cricketer that implied only a superman could eat more than two....

Actually, that ad was for Shredded Wheat! "Who could eat more than two"?

I still eat them with hot milk and lots of sugar. Yummy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rMl53u1J70

 

[DebinGA]

"Oscar Pistorius weeps as he tells Reeva Steenkamp's mother, "I'm sorry" '

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...e-tells-Reeva-Steenkamps-mother-Im-sorry.html

From that link:

'In a detail that could prove vital to the defence case, he said he struggled to balance on his stumps.'

"It throws my weight off completely,” he said. “I don't have balance as such, if I have to stand without holding onto something. I have to move around continuously."

So that's why the DT had to have him on legs for the door banging. His moving around continuously on stumps and hitting his target 3 out of 4 times is even more amazing though.

 

[zwiebel]

Wheetabix with butter on are yummy:blushing:

Well, I did not know there was another person in the world like my friend. I tried it once. Like eating butter with, well, sawdust.

I don't like any breakfasts that much, except in France, where their early morning baguettes are just lovely with anything, or even on their own. Later, they set like cement. I would live in France just for their breakfasts.....if they didn't all speak French. I'm not good with languages. Just ask my German neighbours, if they can stop laughing long enough.