Trial Discussion Thread #21 - 14.04.09, Day 19

[Deleted member 102539]

Exactly what I was thinking - I mean, that's an instance where we have an actual photograph of the police manipulating the chords for the fan.

I don't see that Nel gained anything today - nothing of substance anyway to suggest that OP's account is fabricated and that there was an argument that led to an intentional shooting.

All Nel can do is sort of mock Oscar and play word games and engage in trickery to try to get him rattled, perhaps hoping that will be perceived as lacking credibility.

Roux had the prosecution witnesses badly treated and tricked. In contrast to OP they are not the perpetrators. Nel may take OP quiet a bit harder, I think; that's only compensatory justice. I personally want OP to confess the truth, for Reeva and for her poor parents.

 

[minor4th]

From the BAS:

"During the early morning hours of 14 February 2013, I woke up, went onto the balcony to bring the fan in and closed the sliding doors, the blinds and the curtains. I heard a noise in the bathroom and realised that someone was in the bathroom."

During todays testimony:

I never went onto the balcony.

That is a lie. Either OP lied during his BAS or he lied during his testimony today.

If that's what the state is resorting to in order to prove their case or to disprove Oscar's account ....then they are in big trouble!

 

[soozieqtips]

I agree that there's a difference - Mrs. Stipp was clearly lying (or she was tricked by the police into signing a statement that they fudged) and Oscar's was an in-artful use of words that has now been clarified - no reason for him to contradict himself and give a different version now.
It's not like he totally made up seeing a person that he didn't see.

Yes, it was a mistake to shoot through the door - he mistakenly believed it to be an intruder. That ain't murder. Is he minimizing it at times? YES, of course he is.

BBM - He totally made up an 'intruder' he couldn't see.

 

[minor4th]

Roux had the prosecution witnesses badly treated and tricked. In contrast to OP they are not the perpetrators. Nel may take OP quiet a bit harder, I think; that's only compensatory justice. I personally want OP to confess the truth, for Reeva and for her poor parents.

And what if he has confessed the truth? What if it happened as he said? It seems that is not enough for many people.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, I guess I wasn't paying close attention the first time around.

He did say it was accidental. He goes on later to explain that yes he pulled the trigger but he did it without actually forming the thought or intent to kill someone in the bathroom.

How can he say that he had no intent to kill anyone, when he shot 4 times through the thin door, using black talons?

That is why Nel wanted that watermelon video shown. To point out that OP knew exactly what happens when he fires his weapon.

 

[TorisMom003]

66 seconds seems like a pretty long call to emergency responders - hey, I shot my girlfriend in the head and she's dying, send help quick, my address is blah blah blah ...we'll send an ambulance but you will get help for her more quickly if you drive her to hospital yourself if you're able.

I've always thought that 66 seconds was not long enough.

Dispatcher answers phone. OP says he needs an ambulance. Dispatcher asks for address. OP gives it. Dispatcher asks what is wrong. OP tells dispatcher ALL of Reeva's injuries. Dispatcher then would need to say to bring her in instead of waiting for ambulance.

Now, would the dispatcher really tell someone to bring Reeva in in the car instead of waiting for an ambulance IF the extent of Reeva's injuries had truly been explained? I don't think so.

MOO

 

[minor4th]

BBM - He totally made up an 'intruder' he couldn't see.

No he didn't. He believed there was an intruder and he gave all the reasons why he thought that.

 

[04009margaret]

Originally Posted by 04009margaret
I think his whole story is a lie & he has now convinced himself that it's true, including emotions that go with that story. He only becomes distraught when he has to confront what he has done to Reeva & when he thinks of the consequences for himself.




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OP is distraught because he said he doesn't know what the implications of his answers would be. He wants to give the answers that will keep him a free man. He is messing up with this attitude I fear.

How weird, I read this post at this exact moment lol I was watching Sky & pressed pause to read some posts & guess what is paused on my screen? A transcript of OP's words "Of course I think of every single word I say when I'm sitting here".......spooky

 

[minor4th]

How can he say that he had no intent to kill anyone, when he shot 4 times through the thin door, using black talons?

That is why Nel wanted that watermelon video shown. To point out that OP knew exactly what happens when he fires his weapon.

Well of course he knows that shooting someone will likely kill them.

I think he was only trying to articulate that he didn't stop and actually form the thought "I am going to shoot 4 black talon bullets through the bathroom door to deliberately kill the intruder."

If that's what he was trying to get across, I believe him - he panicked and shot his gun before he really thought about what he was doing.

It doesn't matter as far as his culpability goes IMO

 

[Interested Bystander]

That is so m'lady. Gun will keep on firing once safety is off.

:smile:


ETA: you need to squeeze trigger each time tho.

How much pressure needs to be applied to the trigger to make it function or does that vary a great deal with different pistols.

 

[katydid23]

I disagree that he has "repudiated much of his bail affidavit"

wow. I have to say that this is odd to me. OP has said that he didn't draft the document, and wasn't there when it was written, even though he signed it. But he wants to distance himself from it's contents now. And you have no problem with this stance by him?

 

[TorisMom003]

How much pressure needs to be applied to the trigger to make it function or does that vary a great deal with different pistols.

It varies depending on the gun.

 

[minor4th]

wow. I have to say that this is odd to me. OP has said that he didn't draft the document, and wasn't there when it was written, even though he signed it. But he wants to distance himself from it's contents now. And you have no problem with this stance by him?

I heard him say a number of times that his Bail affidavit was true and is true.

So, I don't see him trying to distance himself from it or repudiating it.

 

[G.bng]

I think it was a stupid thing to say. I read it as him being guarded and trying to make himself look better to the judge - but it likely had the opposite effect.

I saw it as OP moving like a cat on a hot tin roof to avoid admiting to having intended to shoot the intruder/s/burglar/s behind the door... and not very convincingly either because every time he repeated how he believed the intruder/s/burglar/s were about to come through the door and attack him and Reeva and how he was scared, it was, imo at least, pretty obvious what he would be trying to shoot at not once but 4 times... or was the door attacking him?

 

[crasshopper]

66 seconds seems like a pretty long call to emergency responders - hey, I shot my girlfriend in the head and she's dying, send help quick, my address is blah blah blah ...we'll send an ambulance but you will get help for her more quickly if you drive her to hospital yourself if you're able.

Things may be different in America, but when you call 911 or an emergency responder they try to keep you on the phone after getting your address to keep tabs on the condition of the victim, they make sure you are doing CPR if indicated and will provide instructions if needed. I have never heard of a case where someone was instructed to bring a seriously wounded patient/victim to the hospital themselves. (I'm a physician so I have experience with this).

 

[MeeBee]

wow. I have to say that this is odd to me. OP has said that he didn't draft the document, and wasn't there when it was written, even though he signed it. But he wants to distance himself from it's contents now. And you have no problem with this stance by him?

Did he say he wasn't there when it was drafted?

 

[katydid23]

I think it was a stupid thing to say. I read it as him being guarded and trying to make himself look better to the judge - but it likely had the opposite effect.

And I read it as a lie. :liar:

 

[soozieqtips]

No he didn't. He believed there was an intruder and he gave all the reasons why he thought that.

BBM - I don't believe he thought there was an intruder, so I can say he totally made up an intruder he didn't see.

 

[Viper]

I'm sure we had a similar conversation about repudiate quite a while ago?

BIB. Hum... that's funny, I don't recall having a conversation with you about a word. Please refresh my memory Steve.

 

[Gryffindor]

Yes, he let his mouth run a bit, but really if the guy has nothing to hide it's not so necessary that he only give quick concise answers. He got into some difficulty when he was trying to anticipate Nel's thinking and answering questions or explaining things that were not yet asked.

And trying to digest, interpret and guess reasoning for certain questions of Nel's didn't translate to me as Oscar "covering his own arse" , protecting himself, saving his neck or being perversely egocentric.

He didn't want to be led / guided into inadvertently answering a closed question with an open/ambiguous answer, to be interpreted incorrectly, which would oppose what happened that morning.