Trial Discussion Thread #22 - 14.04.10, Day 20

[strydohj]

Don't know actually

No, it would not because it was not in HIS possession...

 

[soozieqtips]

With these types of hand guns with a slide there is semi-automatic and could be made illegally fully automatic. A semi-automatic requires someone to pull the trigger each time a shot is fired. A fully automatic would only require the trigger be pulled once and held back to empty the contents of the gun.

If a magazine holds 15 rounds it would take 15 pulls of the trigger to empty the gun. A fully automatic would require only one trigger pull (holding the trigger back) to fire all 15 rounds. The trigger must be pulled to fire the weapon.

Hope that helps a little.

Thanks. I was kind of being tongue-in-cheek when I asked if that's what 'automatic' meant - the gun going off by itself without OP pulling the trigger. Maybe someone should test that gun and see if it discharges itself on its own again :smile:

 

[04009margaret]

Well, Margaret, there have also been rumors since the outset of trial that Henke P would attend trial at some point, maybe at the end.
But perhaps what came out today might deter this.

I have long said that I doubted .38 ammo was Henke's because Henke lives far away in Capetown area and the 2 have been estranged for circa 5 years.
Today we learned that Henke was not willing to give Pros. an affidavit saying that ammo was his.

Thus perhaps from Oscar's view...more estrangement?

To me that speaks volumes. Family fall out all the time but in a crisis will come together & support each other

 

[jay-jay]

The title of the song itself says a lot. It is also enough to upset Reeva when OP was already upset with her. Biatch don't kill my vibe. Yea, that's a great song to play with your "beloved" girlfriend in the back seat when she knows that you are already ticked off at her and have let her know it.

ETA: I did actually listen to the song instead of just reading the lyrics. The lyrics are clear in what they say. You can pick out exactly what he is saying.

MOO

Yep, totally know what you mean .. just that I listened to the track and have to admit that I quite like the actual music and don't tend to take that much notice of the lyrics (maybe that comes from being a punk in my teenage years and listening to the Sex Pistols all the time and I've just got used to controversial lyrics .. dunno?!)

 

[aa9511]

N: I never meant to pull the trigger?

O: That's correct Milady.

How can Oscar be this dumb?? Why would he use exact same line he used for the restaurant incident, when he knows that he is lying about that? Does he not realize that everyone knows that he's lying about the restaurant incident?

This is just mind-boggling.

 

[clearskies1]

Just joining in -- did not watch today's testimony but read excellent summaries here. I think the case is over. OP: no credibility whatsoever. My heart goes out to Reeva's family and friends. Truly horrible to think that your loved one's last moments were filled with abject fear.

As always, above is just my opinion.

 

[TorisMom003]

Listening to todays testimony and I had to laugh a little when Nel asked OP about the "picked on me incesstantly" and what is that about. OP said "I can't remember my lady." Nel then says quickly "I know you wouldn't....."

 

[aa9511]

OP just admitted there was no objective reason to fire his gun.

It's just sad to me that, IMO, if this case were being tried in the US, specifically Florida, Oscar would walk away with not-guilty.

 

[turaj]

Isn't that him that's been sitting next to June all this week

Well I sure thought that was her dad although he looks quite good if he had such serious health issues. I wish someone could clarify who he is and some of the others too...I guess OP's father is not there at all so the guy I thought was him in the OP camp is someone else.

 

[Emz73]

Yep, totally know what you mean .. just that I listened to the track and have to admit that I quite like the actual music and don't tend to take that much notice of the lyrics (maybe that comes from being a punk in my teenage years and listening to the Sex Pistols all the time and I've just got used to controversial lyrics .. dunno?!)

What did he say when she asked him to turn it off?? He moaned the way she asked him or something. She shouldn't of asked him.

Have you ever asked an abuser to do anything? I'm being a bit black and white but in my experience.. You cant ask them to turn anything off or down, you cant ask them to slow down in their car (they go faster). Didn't this happen as well.

It just paints more of a picture for me that makes me shudder......still doesn't mean he intentionly killed her though......

Slowlee slowee catchee monkee

 

[turaj]

It's just sad to me that, IMO, if this case were being tried in the US, specifically Florida, Oscar would walk away with not-guilty.

I agree because Roux is good at putting up the smoke and mirrors. Also so much of what Nell is doing and frankly I am enjoying ...that is exposing OP for what he is would never be allowed but it does alot to put his mind set on display and see how this happened. A jury could well let him walk feeling sorry for him...probably not this judge.

 

[04009margaret]

Thank you, but IIRC Nel was questioning him about the extension cord and the fan cord, so his answer was not the fan itself but the cords on the floor.

I am so blown away with OP stating clearly in his answer today that he could not get out on to the patio with the fan where it is in the photos. That so many things were moved by the police before the photos were taken. That he has experts that will prove that things were moved, and incredulously that includes that very large fan blocking the door! That is his testimony, that is his version of the events. That has zero chance of being believed by the Court. This is opening up to be even more bizarre than I even could have imagined. Honestly I do not understand why Mr. Pistorius did not flee the country months ago, truly.

I honestly believe his ego is so big he honestly believed he would walk away from these charges purely on the contamination point he constantly talks about

 

[Carol70]

Well, Margaret, there have also been rumors since the outset of trial that Henke P would attend trial at some point, maybe at the end.
But perhaps what came out today might deter this.

I have long said that I doubted .38 ammo was Henke's because Henke lives far away in Capetown area and the 2 have been estranged for circa 5 years.
Today we learned that Henke was not willing to give Pros. an affidavit saying that ammo was his.

Thus perhaps from Oscar's view...more estrangement?

Yep, I also think the relationship went further south after the pistorius family distanced themselves from OP father after his less than unfavorable comments about the ANC.

 

[turaj]

Listening to todays testimony and I had to laugh a little when Nel asked OP about the "picked on me incesstantly" and what is that about. OP said "I can't remember my lady." Nel then says quickly "I know you wouldn't....."

I love it Nell says what most of us are thinking...but he says it right out loud. That would never fly here in US...sort of getting to like this SA system.

 

[strydohj]

On the ammo charge, I do suspect that OP bought the ammo with the intention of getting the relevant firearm.
It's one of those things whereby an extra charge arises from an unrelated incident, the same as the Tasha's and sunroof incidents.

Even illegal to sell ammo to someone without a license for that calibre... you cannot legally buy ammo in SA without presenting YOUR corresponding fire arm license. Just concede it was illegal.

 

[TorisMom003]

Oh boy.

OP "We can go through the whole message......"

Nel "We're going to."

I like that Nel is not tip toeing around with OP. IMO He has had that luxury for far to long. Can't upset SA's "golden boy". Have to do what he wants, when he wants. There is that entitlement again.

MOO

 

[aa9511]

O: The outside balcony light was on

O says there was just enough light to see the fans and Reeva's jeans but when he drew the curtains it was pitch black. He didn't see Reeva when he got up, 'because I had my head down, in my hands'.

He must have thought she said "I want to play a game of peek-a-boo" instead of "can't sleep Baba?"

 

[TorisMom003]

Concerning the engagement party and OP dropping Reeva off and him leaving. He "dropped her off because she had a friend with her.......it wasn't the time to talk." So is he saying that he can only "talk" to Reeva about their problems when they are alone or his friends are around but not her friends? Because that is how it came across to me.

OP didn't mind getting into an argument with her out in the parking area when Reeva didn't go straight to the door when his friend and his friend's girlfriend could hear them.

MOO

 

[aa9511]

N is questioning that OP found the denim?? only because he saw it earlier, not because there was enough light to see it.I think Nel means the jeans by that. Dunno why he's calling them 'the denim'.

bbm

Oh wow. Just lie after lie. It was pitch black, but yet he managed to locate the jeans, I guess he had some kind of military night-vision goggles on.

Also, why would he risk walking back to the bed, on his stumps, in the "pitch-blac," when he doesn't have good balance on his stumps in the first place?

No, what he would have done is turn on some kind of light before-hand to be able to see back to the bed after he finished "bringing in the fans."

 

[nastasya]

So the killer claims that on two different occasions different guns that he was holding accidentally fired a total of 5 shots.

The fact that he's simultaneously on trial for BOTH of those "incidents" as he likes to call them does not bode well for him.

The judge would have to be an idiot to buy his version that guns magically shoot themselves when he's holding them.

Dude must have the worst luck in the world....