Trial Discussion Thread #22 - 14.04.10, Day 20

[turaj]

Bet OP will need all of next week off (Holy Week) as he is so "religious" per his testimony.

 

[BritsKate]

Isn't that him that's been sitting next to June all this week

Sorry if its been covered - on my phone so can't check - but that's the Steenkamps attorney. Dup de Bruyn - very well known and respected from what I've read.


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[emmavoberry]

He did say that, but went on to say that it was because she was scared of how he reacted to her.

As is his pattern, Op said one thing, Nels hammered him, so he took it back. I'll give you this. Oh, you don't like it? It does sound stupid now that think of it. Let's try this...

Other have pointed this out: he tries scripted; when he is forced to, he fudges and elaborates on a statement, twisting it to his own advantage. When he gets his hand slapped, he tries another tact, concedes grudgingly or does not recall.

But what can he do? It's on record that Reeva said she was scared of him at times. How does he dress that up? In his own fashion.

 

[katydid23]

I don't really understand the whole thing about the duvet. Where's Nel going with that? Is it that Reeva kicked it off when she ran to escape? And if OP put it there himself for some reason, wouldn't it stand to reason he'd put it back if its position on the floor was incriminating? I'm a bit lost with the whole duvet saga.

I am not sure, only thinking out loud here. But OP says that it was once covering her and he could see her legs sticking from underneath? And then it was on the floor. So does that mean she got up and it fell to the floor? If so, it would seem to be something he would notice/hear/see at the time. Also, would he have had to step over or on top of it, on his stumps, during the time he was setting up fans, and getting guns etc? And, if there was no duvet on the bed, wouldnt it be even more obvious that there was no body laying on he bed either, when he retrieved the gun?

 

[aa9511]

N: The only reasonable inference from circumstantial eveidence that there was an argument
...the deceased ran screaming from there and that door was never closed.

O: That's not true milady.

Thank you, Nel. Tell it like it is.

 

[steveml]

What's your opinion on OP not willing to concede the obvious - that he had to have pulled the trigger for the gun to have gone off in Tashas?

He definitely pulled the trigger, and should be saying that he did.

The charge is for discharging a weapon in a public place, so if there was nothing unusual involved that charge is correct.

I'm not convinced he was aware it was ready to fire, as the gun must have been aiming downwards, and if he intended it to fire he wasn't far from blowing his mates **** off!

He'd have lost sponsorship and many other things had that happened, something he seems very precious about, so I can't see him knowing there was a bullet ready.

I think he's guilty of all the gun charges, though I still think the storing of the ammo (which I believe was always intended for a gun that was on order) still has some wriggle room. I'll let you know if I can figure out what technicality they will use to avoid a conviction on this.

 

[Carol70]

I was pronouncing it just as Bow-tha. Similar to the cricketer Ian Botham (but without the 'm'). :smile:

Lol.. I also can't think of the "o" sound, but the H is silent..(English version)
If I try to spell it like you say it, it goes something like this - bwoo-ta hehe. Sure MsY would also know.

 

[turaj]

You know I find the description of the events of the evening sort of strange for a young couple on the brink of a "love" relationship ...no mention of any romance...even cuddling etc. mostly he texting and she doing yoga etc. Frankly it does not sound normal..something is very off and not being told. At that age and stage of relationship...tv etc. does not sound very romantic.

 

[Gbtaketwo]

I am not sure, only thinking out loud here. But OP says that it was once covering her and he could see her legs sticking from underneath? And then it was on the floor. So does that mean she got up and it fell to the floor? If so, it would seem to be something he would notice/hear/see at the time. Also, would he have had to step over or on top of it, on his stumps, during the time he was setting up fans, and getting guns etc? And, if there was no duvet on the bed, wouldnt it be even more obvious that there was no body laying on he bed either, when he retrieved the gun?

I thought it was just covering her legs. Which ever though the fact is he has now stated that he could see her ,which I kind of figure all along .
I have never felt that she could have got up and gone to the toilet without him noticing . As she knew he was awake she would have put a lamp on IMO

 

[Emz73]

He definitely pulled the trigger, and should be saying that he did.

The charge is for discharging a weapon in a public place, so if there was nothing unusual involved that charge is correct.

I'm not convinced he was aware it was ready to fire, as the gun must have been aiming downwards, and if he intended it to fire he wasn't far from blowing his mates **** off!

He'd have lost sponsorship and many other things had that happened, something he seems very precious about, so I can't see him knowing there was a bullet ready.

I think he's guilty of all the gun charges, though I still think the storing of the ammo (which I believe was always intended for a gun that was on order) still has some wriggle room. I'll let you know if I can figure out what technicality they will use to avoid a conviction on this.

So you don't believe Derren said it was one up? or the boxer that heard this too?

 

[04009margaret]

Sorry if its been covered - on my phone so can't check - but that's the Steenkamps attorney. Dup de Bruyn - very well known and respected from what I've read.


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Thanks,I saw him wipe a few tears away today, that's what made me think it was her dad

 

[steveml]

I am not sure, only thinking out loud here. But OP says that it was once covering her and he could see her legs sticking from underneath? And then it was on the floor. So does that mean she got up and it fell to the floor? If so, it would seem to be something he would notice/hear/see at the time. Also, would he have had to step over or on top of it, on his stumps, during the time he was setting up fans, and getting guns etc? And, if there was no duvet on the bed, wouldnt it be even more obvious that there was no body laying on he bed either, when he retrieved the gun?

That's the way I see it as well Katy.

Nel's suggesting that if the duvet was anywhere but on the bed, OP would have felt it underfoot (well, understump is probably more precise).

:smile:

 

[Emz73]

Lol.. I also can't think of the "o" sound, but the H is silent..(English version)
If I try to spell it like you say it, it goes something like this - bwoo-ta hehe. Sure MsY would also know.

I think Trooper had it right 'uet' for the o. He said Buet(d) haa

 

[Gbtaketwo]

Thanks,I saw him wipe a few tears away today, that's what made me think it was her dad

If he is the family solicitor then that would explain his body language .
He sat and folded his arms and shook his head in disbelieve at quite a few statements yesterday .

 

[G.bng]

He definitely pulled the trigger, and should be saying that he did.

The charge is for discharging a weapon in a public place, so if there was nothing unusual involved that charge is correct.

I'm not convinced he was aware it was ready to fire, as the gun must have been aiming downwards, and if he intended it to fire he wasn't far from blowing his mates **** off!

He'd have lost sponsorship and many other things had that happened, something he seems very precious about, so I can't see him knowing there was a bullet ready.

I think he's guilty of all the gun charges, though I still think the storing of the ammo (which I believe was always intended for a gun that was on order) still has some wriggle room. I'll let you know if I can figure out what technicality they will use to avoid a conviction on this.

If OP didn't know the gun was "one up", ready to fire, why did he empty the chamber ? According to a lawyer interviewed on Sky who has the same Glock, what OP obviously didn't know nor did he check as any responsible gun user should, was that gun also had a magazine inside and when he emptied the chamber in order to be able to test the trigger another bullet was chambered so when he pulled the trigger it fired. That's how the SA lawyer being interviewed on Sky explained it.

 

[ShadyLady]

You know I find the description of the events of the evening sort of strange for a young couple on the brink of a "love" relationship ...no mention of any romance...even cuddling etc. mostly he texting and she doing yoga etc. Frankly it does not sound normal..something is very off and not being told. At that age and stage of relationship...tv etc. does not sound very romantic.

I noticed that too...no passion either, i.e. sex. Just odd. And the ? Has this been confirmed?

Reeva with nice new contract, and OP with problems. Hot night, Valentine Eve, no plans, no romance, no passion....just cars and ?

 

[Emz73]

You know I find the description of the events of the evening sort of strange for a young couple on the brink of a "love" relationship ...no mention of any romance...even cuddling etc. mostly he texting and she doing yoga etc. Frankly it does not sound normal..something is very off and not being told. At that age and stage of relationship...tv etc. does not sound very romantic.

Also no sexy or even flirting messages??? On Reevas twitter account, In Nov/dec she posted a fhm type pic of a 6 packed man....saying "just giving the ladies something to look at" . Interestingly OP went away that day abroad, she said she would miss him or something and she posted it that night.

Just "I like you" "No I like you" mush.

Where was the teasing, passion, cant wait to rip your clothes off stuff?? Had a great time last night wink smiley face.....

or is that just me :blushing:

 

[TorisMom003]

I noticed that too...no passion either, i.e. sex. Just odd. And the ? Has this been confirmed?

Reeva with nice new contract, and OP with problems. Hot night, Valentine Eve, no plans, no romance, no passion....just cars and ?

And Reeva treating him as if he is a child instead of her boyfriend.........OP come brush your teeth.

 

[TorisMom003]

As an aside, just heard a gunshot here at home.......or perhaps it was a cricket bat. Then again, since I live very close to an Air Force Base and not to far from an outdoor shooting range, I'm thinking it was definitely a gunshot. Of course it also helps that my dad is an avid hunter and I have grown up listening to the sounds of gunshot my entire life.

 

[BritsKate]

If he is the family solicitor then that would explain his body language .

He sat and folded his arms and shook his head in disbelieve at quite a few statements yesterday .

I bet, seeing as he's also a criminal attorney. He managed an acquittal for Fred Van der Vyver, also accused of murdering his girlfriend.


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