Trial Discussion Thread #22 - 14.04.10, Day 20

[zwiebel]

O: I said to Mr Lupas it was my fault...I paid the bill, I'll pay for the damages, I completely took the blame for everything.

N: Nobody else remembers that...

 

[BritsKate]

Wow. He assumed all responsibility and blame when the gun went off in Tasha's according to him. Nel correctly questioning why the only one who remembers this version is Oscar.

 

[Really?]

Lol, I do. I know I do. Everyone does. No one is perfect.

Seriously . Not me. I never suck...I am nice and easy going.

 

[zwiebel]

O: If I remember, when Mr L testified....I-I don't have a recollection of what they testified to...

O seemed to catch himself there, and decided not to quote their testimony he remembered?

 

[sorrell skye]

Mangena (a ballistics & firearm expert) testified that it's impossible for that gun (a Glock) to be discharged without someone pulling the trigger.

Mangena's testimony was not challenged by Defense, therefore it's accepted as a fact by the Court.

IMO, OP knows damn good & well that he pulled the trigger on that gun in a crowded restaurant, despite what he's claiming today.

 

[04009margaret]

How did the gun go off if his finger wasn't on the trigger? I know nothing about guns at all but this is not good for OP, can this happen?




EBM Typo

 

[G.bng]

What about the text message in which OP notes specifically Fresco took the blame? Why doesn't Nel bring that up?

This is totally bizarre... OP is actually claiming HE took the blame when the owner, Fresco, Darren, and ST and OP himself say Fresco took the blame !!!

 

[Trooper]

Nel now this is amazing amazing...... how can this be??

Oscar.... I didn't have my finger on the trigger.. yes, a shot was fired... but I didn't pull the trigger..

Nel.. yousaid to mr Loupus.. Oscar..--- Darrin said the thing had caught on his pants pocket.. I paid the bill. I will take the blame for it.

Nel no one heard yu offer to take the blame or pay the bill.

Oscar.. I can understand that everythings against me..... all I said to mr L that it was my fault. when Kevin Larena testified... I cant rmember. Isaid Iwas sorry.. I didn't elaborate on WHY it was my fault.

Nel. so. after this event.. it must have bothered you that that gun went off?? you discussed it with hundreds of people??

Oscar.. I talked about with Reeva..

Nels. did you discuss it with Mr Renns?? he owns a gun shop.

I don't remember.

Nels did you discuss it with any other gun enthusiast??/

No..

Nels.. it didn't bother you that a gun just went off in your hand. the miracle of that without touching the trigger?? it bothered you that it went off ON ITS OWN??

Oscar.. the whole situation bothered me.

 

[mister happy]

It's much stronger than it was the first couple of days. I watched some of the other days on YouTube.

Well, his wimpy droning is getting under my skin.. it's like "...doooh deee doooh deeeee oooooo oreeooo...." I'm getting ready to bail out on this lol.

 

[zwiebel]

O: I don't remember discussing it with Mr Rense.

O: It bothered me that the gun went off in my possession....

and then goes on to say how he was bothered someone handed him a gun like that and went off, and someone could have got hurt.

 

[shane13]

The seriousness of the incident cannot be overstated.
There was a child at the next table.

 

[wb180]

How did the gun go off if his finger wasn't on the trigger? I know nothing about guns at all but this is not good for OP, can this happen?

EBM Typo

Nope - he knows he pressed the trigger but he needs to deny this or else he will be found guilty. If he can't admit it then, he sure doesn't want to admit it now...

 

[canny]

His Whatsapp message to Reeva about this incident will come next.

 

[james83]

Bang to rights on this gun charge yet he carries on denying it, judge wont be impressed.

 

[zwiebel]

N: There's something deeper here...if you're presented with a set of facts you can't discharge that firarm without a finger on the trigger, that's troubling.

N tries to get O to concede 'perhaps' his finger was on the trigger. He point blank refuses.

 

[MeeBee]

.. but the point is, neither of you are up on a murder trial .. and if you were, then it would be expected that those messages would be gone through to establish the state of the relationship in order to see whether DV was a factor. Which is exactly what is happening here, in this case with OP. There is no point in using a hypothetical situation involving your own situation .. it isn't relevant because it hasn't resulted in the same thing that Reeva and OP's relationship did, i.e. her death during the relationship (for whatever reason, yet to be determined).

Of course, it's a hypothetical. I've made this same point in the JA trial. It's impossible to get a full picture of the relationship over texts alone. It's impossible.

What I am saying is, hypothetically (of course) if say I ended up dead and my husband is on trial and he says we had a very loving, wonderful relationship, that would not be a lie. It's scary that a lawyer can cherry pick a few convos and say, "see, you're lying, you did not have a great relationship, you argued sometimes." I fail to see how that's fair. In fact, we had an argument earlier that, taken out of context, can seem like what it isn't. I'll post a bit to make a point:

Me: It makes me feel bad when you try and put all the responsibility on me for everything. I understand your frustration but I don't think that's fair and it hurts my feelings.

Him: Ok I understand, and I don't want to hurt your feelings. I'm just under a lot of pressure for work, I just need your help.

I just imagine some ALV type taking that as evidence that he hurts me, abuses me, and blames me for his anger while making excuses for it. Taken alone, I shudder think someone can say, "so what he apologized and took responsibility for hurting her? He blames work and her not helping him for his anger. And why couldn't she say this to his face? And why does he brush her off...etc. Classic DV." When that couldn't be farther from the truth. And he is stressed at work, very stressed.

 

[AlexUK]

Can OP not see how ridiculous he sounds over this? He seems to be in total denial....cloud cuckoo land!

*note to self....keep well away from self-firing guns*

 

[zwiebel]

N: You cocked it?

O: That's correct

N: A round came out?

O: I didn't it...

?????

 

[BritsKate]

If he's lying about how this gun accidentally discharged - is it so inconceivable he could be lying about other shooting events? (And clearly either he is lying/mistaken or Fresco, Larena, and the Loupis' are lying/mistaken.)

A question the judge will clearly have to weigh.

 

[zwiebel]

I'm doubting my own senses here. Perhaps it's time for tea.