Trial Discussion Thread #22 - 14.04.10, Day 20

[Gryffindor]

There are other cases where people have shot loved ones and have not been given custodial sentences because they have suffered enough .
Both those cases only involved only one shot being fired though .
One case involved a husband shooting a pregnant wife ,one was a dad shooting his daughter .

Ah got you now. Thank you

 

[soozieqtips]

Court adjourned for lunch. Oscar refused to concede anything.
Deny. Deny. Deny. Roux is uncharacteristically quiet. Oscar's credibility?
Milton Nkosi 51 minutes ago

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26964494

 

[sorrell skye]

But Nel's focusing on the state of the relationship. A relationship involves TWO people to make up the whole scenario.

If the girl in a relationship says "I love him" you can't assume it's a loving relationship. The partner may then say "I don't love them".

OP is the one who brought up how allegedly 'loving' their relationship was, so he opened the door for Nel's line of questioning. If he wasn't prepared to defend his description of the relationship, he shouldn't have claimed in his BH affidavit: "We were deeply in love and I could not be happier. I know she felt the same way."

 

[jay-jay]

From what I've read the Glocks are made purposely for fast shooting and when there is a bullet in the chamber the hammer is almost fully cocked so there is only a minimal amount of trigger pressure needed to fire. The shooting may well have been accidental as he wasn't used to handling this type of weapon and he didn't realise how responsive the trigger mechanism was.

I don't even see why he needed to put his finger through that bit while having the gun passed to him .. surely, you put your hand/fingers 'around' it, not through the actual trigger?

 

[atthelake]

I think OP has no choice but to vigourously defend the other gun charges as they could result in visa bans for some countries which obviously damages potential future earnings.

...and could that be why not his father didn't do an affidavit that it was hit ammo in the safe...that the father could think he might be prosecuted?

 

[sleuth-d-]

Why would Reeva slam the toilet door? OP has now added this noise which was just a noise before, not a slam. Slamming a door nearly always indicates someone's upset about something - unless there was some strong through breeze that slammed it shut without Reeva's intervention.

just trying to work through his version of events.

i agree slamming makes no sense it the light of his version. whether it was done by rs or an intruder...

any strong breeze seems unlikely in the light of all the usage of fans to keep cool.

 

[Gbtaketwo]

none at all....not a squeak.

About the ammunition in the safe . I thought it was in his bedroom safe unless I have got confused with the crime scene photo's
Was it actually in the kitchen one ?

 

[Insp.Dots]

Morning,

I'll try and clarify the purpose of kicking the door.

The door is shut and locked, however the door swinging inwards or outwards has no relevance to this.

The kick is made to the fourth panel to the right, and is aimed at the panel in an attempt to break it, the same way as the cricket bat would be used.
Panels do not have an interest or particular strength depending on which way the door opens. The strongest part of the door is the frame (outer section) and the weakest the panels (inner sections).

If you thought you could bust the door open you would the kick the frame of the door on the right, and yes, it would be very difficult to achieve as the door opens the opposite way.

I hope this helps to explain the reason why it would be perfectly logical to kick the door panel from the outside of the toilet.

Yep, spot on, as usual. I was thinking this through last night and trying to work out what difference the way it opened would make.
I think it would be almost an instinctive way of thinking if you are desperate to get to the other side. You wouldn't pause to think 'it opens this way or that' unless trying to pull it with the handle first. So he did the most likely and tried to kick, then use the bat.

I had wondered if they would have looked for finger/Palm prints to see if he had actually pulled at the panels, but it probably doesn't make much difference to the evidence on the whole. MOO.

 

[Freya1977]

No. He heard the door slam before he ever yelled out to intruders.

Really? I thought he heard the window before and door after. I can't keep up!

 

[steveml]

I kept expecting him to ask when the gun was transferred to you after accepting the gun into your hands....and it appears that you did accept that responsibility by discharging the one up.... wasn't anything that happened while the gun was in your possession your responsibility?

That would have been a good question to ask.

 

[Forensics]

Phillip de Wet ‏@phillipdewet Apr 9
Gerrie Nel: no mercy, no compassion. Unkind? Absolutely. Unfair? Perhaps not. He's representing the interests of a dead woman, after all.

 

[AlexUK]

Can anyone explain, please, what happens after the prosecution and the defence finish presenting evidence? Does each side do a summing up?? Also, when Milady and her assistants go away to deliberate, how long is that likely to take (difficult question I appreciate), hours, days, weeks, months???

Thanks in advance for any info.....

 

[Freya1977]

If you are in a room where the door opens outwards is it possible to slam it???

Absolutely

 

[soozieqtips]

Really? I thought he heard the window before and door after. I can't keep up!

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he yelled at the intruder/s after he heard a door slam. His story has changed somewhat so I can't be sure what's what all the time :smile:

ETA: Okay, correction. The 'noise' he heard after he yelled is now the toilet door slamming.

http://news.sky.com/story/1238791/oscar-pistorius-describes-night-of-shooting

 

[Trooper]

There are other cases where people have shot loved ones and have not been given custodial sentences because they have suffered enough .
Both those cases only involved only one shot being fired though .
One case involved a husband shooting a pregnant wife ,one was a dad shooting his daughter .

in both of those cases, the accused pleaded guilty.. one wasn't even prosecuted..

neither of them pleaded NOT guilty like Oscar has..

 

[Suthrnqt]

...and could that be why not his father didn't do an affidavit that it was hit ammo in the safe...that the father could think he might be prosecuted?

I believe OP & his father are estranged. :dunno:

 

[kaos]

That guy on Oscar radio is trying to say OP is the victim of abuse by Nel and the psychology means that Oscar will agree to his questions because he's being worn down by him.

Obviously hasn't seen a minute of his testimony.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I want to see OP try to kick the door and see how hard he would kick it as someone mentioned that his legs (not blades) might shatter and OP knows how brittle they are.

They got him to demonstrate this yesterday but, other than the foot print we know it didn't work so probably not that relevant. :twocents:

 

[Peliman]

That would be useful, do we have those times?

Does it matter? She was reported screaming by at least 4 witnesses.

 

[Forensics]

About the ammunition in the safe . I thought it was in his bedroom safe unless I have got confused with the crime scene photo's
Was it actually in the kitchen one ?

sorry I don't know the location of the safe.:blushing: