Trial Discussion Thread #22 - 14.04.10, Day 20

[MeeBee]

Guess Nel isn't gonna go into the .

 

[Peliman]

They testified to a WOMAN screaming, not Reeva

I think the Stipp's have testified where the screaming was coming from and I don't think it was OP's dog.

 

[zwiebel]

O: I climbed into bed on the left, I'd been sleeping on the left...

Nel asks if he put the fans out and O says yes, and describes how. And he put his legs 'one on top of the other' by the door to ventilate them. They were 'lying flat'.

 

[jay-jay]

to fire the bullet.. to discharge it. the trigger has to be pulled. the bullet itself is in inertia until the trigger is pulled. this is simple physics.. to claim it was accidental is the concept of a person who thinks the sun will suspend itself in the sky . Oscar wants us to believe that even the laws of gravity suspended for him. That's astonishing stuff.

Oscar says, he never pulled the trigger. so we have to believe in a gun that, all by itself defies the laws of physics that every other matter, thing or human on earth is subject to .


the great miracle gun of tashas restaurant.

.. along with the safe that took possession of the ammo, all of it's own accord! (.. he actually did say the safe possessed it, not him !)

 

[Emz73]

Guess Nel isn't gonna go into the .

He said will go over what he was doing while Reeva cooked dinner again, after he briefly answered.

 

[Bazinga]

Why would Reeva slam the toilet door? OP has now added this noise which was just a noise before, not a slam. Slamming a door nearly always indicates someone's upset about something - unless there was some strong through breeze that slammed it shut without Reeva's intervention.

I wonder if it has been tested if the toilet door can slam. Opening out as it does it might not be possible.

 

[MeeBee]

He said will go over what he was doing while Reeva cooked dinner again, after he briefly answered.

Ah, thank you.

 

[zwiebel]

O: ...after I climbed onto the bed, we were surfing, looking at homes, I was looking at things..

N: So noone was on the ipad?

O: I just said I was on the ipad at times

N: So you were on the ipad after you phoned your cousin?

 

[Carol70]

He knows exactly how it handles, the video of him using that exact same gun on a shooting range is out in the public forum for all to see.

I could be wrong but then why did he ask to look at the gun in the restaurant? Claims he was thinking of buying one, so if he had used the gun previously on a firing range, he would have no reason whats so ever to look at it in a crowded restaurant imo.

 

[Freya1977]

I don't get how is relevant?

 

[Freya1977]

I wonder if it has been tested if the toilet door can slam. Opening out as it does it might not be possible.

Trust me I've slammed doors that open out, from the inside

 

[G.bng]

Understandably so. If he was so fearful, believing it to be an intruder, he shot in auto pilot mode. I understand what Oscar's saying. I think Nel does too.

But from how I read SA law, I don't believe that will in any way save him from being found guilty because even if he were in auto pilot mode it is ridiculous to think that while firmly imagining that the intruder was coming out to attack him and Reeva, that wanting to protect himself and Reeva, as per his version, he didn't shoot at an imagined intruder even if that was through a door. JMO

 

[jay-jay]

But Nel's focusing on the state of the relationship. A relationship involves TWO people to make up the whole scenario.

If the girl in a relationship says "I love him" you can't assume it's a loving relationship. The partner may then say "I don't love them".

Unfortunately she is no longer here to testify .. her text messages are the only thing left we can go by, those are her testimonies to court from beyond the grave and thank goodness we have them.

 

[ShadyLady]

She did say "I'm the girl who fell in love with you". My guess is that she wanted him to say it first.

And he had no gift for her....but she did for him. And if he was jealous of Reeva touching another man...how did he feel about Reeva seeing her ex-boy friend.

Did ex-boy friend ever get questioned?

 

[MeeBee]

I don't get how is relevant?

The state is just trying to say it must not have been a very loving relationship if he was looking at with Reeva in the house. Really not very relevant.

 

[Trooper]

the fans... I missed the darn fans.. dog is wanting to type with me

I took my legs off and got onto the bed and texted my cousin..

nel. when you got back from brushing your teeth??

reeva was watching TV.. I was sort of looking at pictures on her phone, and on my ipad

just spending the night in bed , chatting..

Nel. so you were on your iphone after phoning yur cousin..

I said to reeva.. I am falling asleep she was still watching pics.. I lay on her tummy and told her to bring the fans in before she went to sleep..

Nel. and you fell asleep..

yes.

Nel. so.. she was never on your ipad that night??

we googled fave cars. .. colours. and stuff like that.... when we came home it was me on my ipad.. .

Nel. after the excercises, after the teeth.. . no one was on the ipad??

Ive already said 3 times I was on my ipad..

nel.. the ipad was on the right side.. so yu must have fallen asleep, and she put it there??

yes..

Nel. so .. what happened.. what woke you up?/

it was a humid warm night... that's what woke me up.

Nel then what??

I sat up,I rubbed my head, Reeva asked me couldn't I sleep.. I got up. . I bought in the small fan.. the bigger fan.. I locked the door......

Nel. so she was wide awake?? she spoke to you first??

Yes...

Oscar.. her exact words.. cant you sleep baba...

and you never said anything else other than .no I cant sleep??

Nel. what was the condition of the lights..??

Oscar.. the curtains were still closed... they were draped around the fan.

 

[zwiebel]

Lost my feed there.

N: You spoke to her, she was wide awake?

O: I don't know if she was wide awake. Her exact words were: 'Can't you sleep baba?'

 

[Emz73]

I don't get how is relevant?

I don't think it does really but the fact he didn't admit it to Roux might be telling.
He doesn't like to admit anything.

 

[G.bng]

Yep, I'm not suggesting the gun went off on it's own.

I don't know the position of the gun when it was handed over, it was apparently under the table, and nobody's yet taken responsibility for how it was handled.

There are correct methods to follow when handling, passing and receiving a firearm.
It requires that all persons involved are following this procedure. The first rule broke was that the firearm was transferred under a table.

IMO the first rule broke in a country where a carried firearm has to be concealed at all times, was for OP, knowing the gun laws, to ask Fresco to pass it to him while in a public place, the second for Fresco to concede and pass it.

 

[ShadyLady]

He just changed story again about darkness in room (pitch black), and seeing jeans...