Trial Discussion Thread #22 - 14.04.10, Day 20

[turaj]

He seems to have a pattern of hold his face in his hands under stress...he describes this on that evening and we know what he has done in court. This guy has needed some serious mental attention for years but the blade fame got in the way and permitted him to live life according to OP.

 

[TorisMom003]

Concerning the song that Reeva was upset about in the car.

OP says that he asked the driver, his friend Martin (?), to put on the CD by Kendrick Lamar. OP then states that he doesn't know the CD. Hasn't listened to that CD before. Doesn't know the songs on the CD. Doesn't know if Kendrick Lamar even has a song with THAT title.

I call BS on ALL of that. I certainly have never asked someone to put on a CD that I had never listened to, did not know the songs on. The only time I ask someone to put on a CD is if there IS a song on it that I like.

Also very odd that Reeva referenced the title of this song in her WhatsApp to him and he never questions her as to what she means by that sentence. This tells me that he knew full well THAT song was on that CD and that was what he wanted to listen to as a message to Reeva.

MOO

 

[Goforgold]

From what I've read the Glocks are made purposely for fast shooting and when there is a bullet in the chamber the hammer is almost fully cocked so there is only a minimal amount of trigger pressure needed to fire. The shooting may well have been accidental as he wasn't used to handling this type of weapon and he didn't realise how responsive the trigger mechanism was.

I was watching Sky News, but only able to read the subtitles, so not sure exactly who was giving the synopsis. It could have been a Journalist but I believe he was from SA and was being interviewed by a Journalist from the UK This man said he owned various guns and in particular a Glock and that a lot of pressure would be required to actually fire this gun.

(From reading on, I believe this man was a lawyer)

 

[zwiebel]

I also noticed OP mentioned he and Reeva 'taking the plates out' and that after the killing he went to the kitchen. I'm wondering if those used dinner plates were ever found, or if they had been washed up and put away, though OP did not mention that, or putting them in the dishwasher.

 

[KarenUK]

The stand your ground law in it's simplest terms means that you have no obligation to retreat from an attacker. Some states do not have a similar law and they do require you to flee if you can before using deadly force against an attacker. It is a good law IMO.

The BIB above is funny! You do realize that you have just described what OP did and is doing, right? LOL! :smile:

Sorry guys I removed my original post as I was out of my depth, I can't debate it as I don't know enough - my experience just taught me early on that this law could be used in the wrong way

 

[Viper]

BBM - yes, that's why I wondered why OP himself didn't think to put it back on the bed before the police arrived. Possibly he hadn't got his story together by then and so the duvet on the floor wasn't significant at that point.

Snipped

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...756728/Oscar-Pistorius-murder-trial-live.html

BIB I believe OP had blood dripping from his hands when he left the WC and went to get a phone by the bedside. Some drops fell on the duvet and he folded it and pulled it off of his bed. Just my thoughts until Mr. Nel talks about it more tomorrow.

But the funny thing about this issue is OP supporters are going to have an even harder time arguing their talking points now, because OP keeps adding so much more incredulous carp to his fairy tale! The duvet will now be associated with the bumbling police. See here:

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman 5h
#OscarTrial Pistorius: points on the screen, says the large fan was where the duvet was. BB
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So OP now contends that the large fan was where the duvet is now, and he has no idea how the fan and the duvet were moved or by whom.

 

[zwiebel]

I think some people were wondering about OP's family at court today? here's a pic of some of them arriving.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SapaNews/status/454153033396805632/photo/1

 

[soozieqtips]

He seems to have a pattern of hold his face in his hands under stress...he describes this on that evening and we know what he has done in court. This guy has needed some serious mental attention for years but the blade fame got in the way and permitted him to live life according to OP.

That's a good point about him holding his face under stress. He's done it several times in court. And again when Reeva asked him if he couldn't sleep. Was he stressed then because she hadn't carried out his instructions and bought the fans in? We know he has a very short fuse, so something as minor as that could have set him off and scared the life out of Reeva, who happens to be on record as saying "I'm scared of you sometimes and how you snap at me and how you will react to me".

 

[Viper]

Can you excuse a thicky English yokel and say what BIB means? Sorry

I dont disagree with the Stand your ground law by the way - I don't know enough about it, I just hate to see it abused

Sure! BIB means "Bit in bold," it refers to the portion of your original post that I bolded. I will bold thicky English yokel as an example here.

 

[steveml]

Pic showing that fan cord was not underneath the speaker,

The piece of cable at the front of the speaker is the easiest way of spotting this.



https://twitter.com/bradMentoor/status/454282614237851648/photo/1

 

[jay-jay]

http://ewn.co.za/Features/oscarpistorius/live-blog-archive

If your ever looking for information on who said what when during the trial, this link is as close to a daily transcript as you can get. The archive makes it very easy to find what your looking for

Thanks for that

 

[soozieqtips]

Pic showing that fan cord was not underneath the speaker,

The piece of cable at the front of the speaker is the easiest way of spotting this.



https://twitter.com/bradMentoor/status/454282614237851648/photo/1

Do you think he's perjured himself yet, and do you think he's a credible witness?

 

[04009margaret]

OP testified today Reeva cooked him chicken strips in a stir fry that night, and he came downstairs from showering and changing (but not ipading!) about 7pm, and they ate until about 8pm. And Reeva made him (but not herself?) a 'warm drink'. OP does not think it possible Reeva could have got up without him noticing!! later, to eat something else.

The pathologist testified Reeva had vegetables and a whitish substance (probably cheese) left in her stomach. As it doesn't look as though the pathologist did establish the whitish food, I guess it could be the stir fry and that could be the chicken. Stir frys contain veg.

But that would mean it took Reeva 7 or 8 hours to not even fully digest that meal. And most importantly, the veg was still there. Not certain, but I think it is veg that digests fastest of all. So even though digestion rates vary a lot, I bet that puts Reeva's digestion rate at an unusually slow rate.

Or another case of OP constructing the evidence to fit an expert witness testimony

 

[IfIMay]

One thing I picked up on is Angry Oscar doesn't whine. I hope Nel keeps him angry. Gawd that whine is annoying.

 

[Gbtaketwo]

OP testified today Reeva cooked him chicken strips in a stir fry that night, and he came downstairs from showering and changing (but not ipading!) about 7pm, and they ate until about 8pm. And Reeva made him (but not herself?) a 'warm drink'. OP does not think it possible Reeva could have got up without him noticing!! later, to eat something else.

The pathologist testified Reeva had vegetables and a whitish substance (probably cheese) left in her stomach. As it doesn't look as though the pathologist did establish the whitish food, I guess it could be the stir fry and that could be the chicken. Stir frys contain veg.

But that would mean it took Reeva 7 or 8 hours to not even fully digest that meal. And most importantly, the veg was still there. Not certain, but I think it is veg that digests fastest of all. So even though digestion rates vary a lot, I bet that puts Reeva's digestion rate at an unusually slow rate.

Yes I have to agree.
It was odd when Nel said 7 hours and OP corrected him to 8 or maybe I just dreamed that lol .
Anyway I was very shocked that when he confirmed the time they ate and that he doubted that she could have eaten later.

 

[soozieqtips]

The prosecutor said: "Again, it's 'I'm sorry but....'. You apologise, then blame her."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...claims-that-Reeva-Steenkamp-was-scared-of-him

Yup. I said a few threads ago that using 'but' after an apology completely negates the apology. Another poster also pointed out that after he 'apologises', he then takes pains to justify his actions.

 

[patCee]

I happen to be illegal in SA to have ammo in your possession for a calibre you do not have a license for.

It's the same in the UK where OP's father could also be prosecuted for allowing another person who did not have a license for that calibre gun, to store it. In the UK there is also a limit on the amount of ammo a licensed person is allowed to keep.

 

[Gbtaketwo]

That's a good point about him holding his face under stress. He's done it several times in court. And again when Reeva asked him if he couldn't sleep. Was he stressed then because she hadn't carried out his instructions and bought the fans in? We know he has a very short fuse, so something as minor as that could have set him off and scared the life out of Reeva, who happens to be on record as saying "I'm scared of you sometimes and how you snap at me and how you will react to me".

I don't know whether I should admit to this but although my uppermost thoughts are seeking justice for Reeva I have a deep sense of sadness for OP .
He has taken a life and ruined his own life .
One wonders if things might have been different if he hadn't lost his mum.
I still find myself needing to guide my kids and the eldest is now 25.
They are quite spoilt and sometimes need reigning in .

I think he would have had a lot more understanding if he had been more honest at the beginning . This is not to say that I don't think he should be punished,of course he should but the whole thing is just sad sad sad

 

[zwiebel]

I only caught a snip of the interview and then it cut out, but I did find the old school sport coach talking about OP on whoopwhoop quite telling in a way and maybe relevant to what's happening now.

He explained about OP's nature of trying very hard, but also said OP's legs were a handicap because they were so heavy and forever coming off, and they made him slow.

Interestingly though, OP didn't seem to consider that reason. He told the coach it wasn't fair, the coach was being unfair to him, and asked when he'd be in the team. He reacted physically to being upset then too - putting his head on the coaches' shoulder.

And so, if I picked up the meaning correctly, the coach lied and said because OP was quite fast, he'd put him in the team. In order to give OP what he wanted. Op seemed to be happy to accept the delusion (if you are slower than others in sport, you must know), and did okay in the team. That's where the famous tackle/legs flying off event happened.

I just thought it has echoes of now - OP blamed the coaches' unfairness - not himself being slow - and 'asked for comfort' (head on shoulder). He also still needs and gets that comfort in court, with all the stroking etc. And still seems to be passing out blame to others too. I wish I'd had chance to hear it all.

 

[G.bng]

I don't think he heard it and still pulled the trigger, no.

I asked you before ST, because I didn't hear that part of the testimony and you seem to have knowledge on guns, if OP didn't hear Darren say the gun was "one up" why did he empty the chamber ? At least that is what the lawyer interviewed by Sky explained, i.e. OP heard Darren say it was one up but didn't check to see if it also had a magazine loaded, so when he received it under the table he emptied the chamber for the one up so as to be able to test the sensitivity of the trigger to see if he liked it, but he didn't realise, because he didn't check, that a magazine was loaded so that on emptying the chamber and closing it again another round was chambered so when OP pressed the trigger it fired.

In any case as a responsible gun owner, which I am not, not a gun owner that is, shouldn't you check everything, chamber, magazine and if there is one a safety catch, before pulling a trigger. It reminds me of when I learnt to drive in respect of going by other drivers waving me on i.e. to always check myself if it is safe to go rather than by someone else's indications. I was also taught the same as a kid, i.e. never to cross a road just because a driver hand signed me to go but to ALWAYS check myself with my own eyes.