Trial Discussion Thread #23 - 14.04.11, Day 21

[AlexUK]

Oh diddums...he's now tired and tearful.

 

[Freya1977]

I'm pretty sure I just saw one of Pistorius' family members praying in the gallery... eyes closed, lips moving.

I saw that too. Who is that lady and the ones with her?

 

[Trooper]

Nel.. you are tailoring your story.. before I left my room I de activated the alarm..

Oscar.. I should have answered it like that..

Nel. why do you make these mistakes.... is this how it is..??

Oscar.. I am tired. I do make mstakes.. I didn't hear it, I must have switched it off..

Nel. I don't want to hear tired.. if yu are tired we will discuss it with your legal team..

Oscar. wobbly.. I m going to be tired.. I do want to do this. I must have switched it off..

Nel. with respect, I am not convinced.. I think you are trying to cover upfor lies...

Judge .... it is important that you are say if you are tired, and this is why you make mistakes. you must say if you are tired..

 

[james83]

Total car crash

 

[kaos]

Now that's what a mistake actually is OP! Not knowing if you switched off the alarm can be a mistake. Shooting somebody dead through a door is not a mistake.

 

[Trooper]

Judge. that is not the question are you too tired to proceed?? it is not fair to mr Nel, and it isn't fair to this court.. so are you too tired?? and is this because you make these mistakes??

Oscar.. its not that. I am going to be tired..

Nel. if its not because you are tired, why do you make these mistakes??

 

[james83]

Someone said before he started testfying that it would be obvious if he was lying, oh boy was that true.

 

[zwiebel]

JUdge: Mr Pistorius, it's important you are all here in the witness box. If you are tired and that's why you are making all these mistakes. You must say..Are you making these mistakes because you are too tired.

Judge is really pinning OP. He cannot say he's making mistakes because he is tired. If he is that tired he has to say and they can break. OP is VERY compliant with judge.

 

[Gbtaketwo]

N: Why are you changing your evidence?

O: I made a mistake. I'm sorry Milady, I'm tired Milady.

N: Are you too tired to continue...if you want to take time discuss with your legal team

O breaking down but says he wants to continue and also!!! "I understand Mr Nel's predicament."

!!!!!

This is almost too awful to listen to . Please someone in his family ask him to stop and just tell the truth !!

 

[crasshopper]

...

I really can not see why people do not grasp what the sequence of events was in this case.

While the state has conceded that the shots may have come first their case does not depend on one order vs the other. I certainly understand why people have different opinion and doubts about the order of the 2 sets of sounds.

Anyway, cricket bat first or bullets, he PULLED the trigger 4 times, with marked accuracy, throught that door knowing he could or intending to mortally wound whoever was behind it.

Reeva's hands were in a defensive position BEFOREshe was shot in the head. Now for those that accept the defense contention that the shot to the head came first

WHY would REEVA have her hands raised to her head in defense if they weren't arguing, if she wasn't scared he was about to bash in the bathroom door, if she wasn't petrified by Oscar telling her he had a gun...

Otherwise you have to accept that the first shothit her HIP & she screamed in bloody terror. Again, WHY would her hands then go to her head in defense and not to her shattered hip???? (even entertaining that they moved from her hip to her head in those seconds) BECAUSE, she was under attack and she knew instinctively to expect MORE bullets.

The defensive position of her hands is IMMUTABLE direct evidence.

If the head shot came first and you accept Oscar's "version" Reeva's there would have been no wound through the web of her fingers/hand. And no, Oscar she wasn't washing her face at the time. Also, if she weren't afraid of oscar wouldn't she scream "Oscar...Help," after being shot in the hip or "Oscar, CALL THE POLICE!"

I believe it was premiditated, as we all know premeditation may be formed in 2 seconds. The hands to the head PROVE, imo, she was afraid of what was coming.

Oscar can't tiptoe stealthily on his stumps, in his version she would have heard him approaching and he would have heard her moving in the bathroom . Assuming she was accustomed to the patter or lumbering gait of his stumps, she knew it was him approaching. UNLESS they were in a fight, why wouldn't she say something, like "occupied""I'll just be a minute"or "decide to brush your teeth". He should have suspected it was her from the sound of water running or a flushed the toilet ( which MUST have happened forOP's version to be true). Bladder empty, no urine in bowl...unless she wasn't there to urinate, hence the door locked with a key from inside.


Wonder if a housekeeper could testify as to where that key was usually kept.

4 am e.s.t , please forgive typos, grammar & spelling ;-)

 

[lisasalinger]

Thank you, Judge!!

I think she's had enough of the sad sack act.

 

[atthelake]

Well, we only reported our invasion for insurance reasons, when our car was broken into, we never did because the insurance excess was more than the actual repair of the window so was pointless. Stuff stolen out our yard was also not reported because at the time, our insurance didn't cover our outside stuff. So some people don't actually report everything.

I would report to the police such things so that the police will note to pay more attention in my area. I would hope that my neighbors would also even if not covered by insurance. The area I live, I believe more police drive bys if there was recent crime. It also puts it out to the neighbors to keep a heads up for the type of crime e.g. car break ins...

Oh, he's backtracking now since ma'lady gave him an out if he was too tired. Oh, so he's not too tired now and changes answer.

 

[zwiebel]

O:..I didn't think about the alarm at that stage. I just knew someone was in the house...

N: But you knew if someone had broken in that night, the alarm would have gone off

O talks about beacons could have been taken off the wall, but N gets him to concede that if the system wasn't working that night, it would have shown when he activated it.

 

[Gryffindor]

Tired? I think more drained, wiped . . . .

 

[Trooper]

nel called him mr Roux. hehehe. .

Nel. the reason is because you are covering up for other evidence.. .

Oscar. well. If Iswitched it off, I switched it off, I don't know

Nel. you must have been concerned that intruders got in without the alarm.

Oscar I was just concerned that people had got in.

Nel. but they couldn't without the lights going on.

Oscar .. I was concerned..

Nel. this is an integrated system. if one drops out, it is indicated..

Oscar. sorry , I ve missed a bit..

 

[kaos]

JUdge: Mr Pistorius, it's important you are all here in the witness box. If you are tired and that's why you are making all these mistakes. You must say..Are you making these mistakes because you are too tired.

Judge is really pinning OP. He cannot say he's making mistakes because he is tired. If he is that tired he has to say and they can break. OP is VERY compliant with judge.

I thought the judge insisting he answered was interesting as she seemed to indicate her awareness of his fondness for evasive ones.

 

[james83]

I'm pretty sure I just saw one of Pistorius' family members praying in the gallery... eyes closed, lips moving.

You sure it was a member of the family and not the defence team?, LOL.

 

[zwiebel]

O: I don't remember having convo with the builder about the alarm system.

N: If you'd leave your room thru that door, would you activate that door?

O: I don't understand that question.

N clarifies he's talking about bedroom when judge asks, then O confirms alarm would go off if someone stepped on second landing.

OP talking a lot about open zones. I don't know what that means.

 

[zwiebel]

O: The open door did not bother me (on the balcony).

Onto incident on the hwy now.

 

[Suthrnqt]

good evening, good morning, good day -- from San Diego (12:34 AM here). This case is making me sleep all day

Mel

Me too. LOL